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Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Tue May 30, 2006 11:51 pm

Luftansa is Flying a A319 from Dusseldorf germany to EWR on a A319??? is that possible?
 
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Tue May 30, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
Luftansa is Flying a A319 from Dusseldorf germany to EWR on a A319??? is that possible?

Yes it is possible. It is an A319LR operated by PrivateAir in an all business class layout.

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Edit: Added link.

Here is link to a DVD that is filmed on a PrivateAir A319.
http://www.worldairroutes.com/Privatair.html

[Edited 2006-05-30 16:55:12]
 
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Tue May 30, 2006 11:57 pm

This is an only business class 319. Operated by the Swiss airline PrivatAir. Swiss International has also a ZRH-EWR flight by a 737BBJ from PrivatAir.

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Tue May 30, 2006 11:59 pm

Furthermore Lufthansa flies one A319LR from DUS to ORD.

Didnt KL change one of their daily IAH flights to PrivatAir equipment as well?

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 12:00 am

OK Thank you!

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 12:04 am

I think also KL uses a PrivatAir plane to ORD (I think)
Other operators of the 319 to longer haul destinations include AF with their Dedicate services to places that do not warrant a big jet but are required by specialised industries i.e for the transportation of oil workers.

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 5):
I think also KL uses a PrivatAir plane to ORD (I think)

It's actualy IAH  Smile

The following routes are operated by Privatair on behalf of major's:
AMS-IAH - For KLM - BBJ
DUS-JFK - For LH - 319LR
DUS-ORD - For LH - 319LR
MUC-EWR - For LH - BBJ
ZRH-EWR - For LX - BBJ2

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
Luftansa is Flying a A319 from Dusseldorf germany to EWR on a A319??? is that possible?



Quoting B742 (Reply 6):
AMS-IAH - For KLM - BBJ
DUS-JFK - For LH - 319LR
DUS-ORD - For LH - 319LR
MUC-EWR - For LH - BBJ
ZRH-EWR - For LX - BBJ2

The Dusseldorf flight is from EWR

EWR-DUS 319LR
EWR-MUC BBJ
EWR-ZRH BBJ
Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
 
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
The Dusseldorf flight is from EWR

Correct sorry, I don't know where I got JFK from  Wink
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting YULYMX (Thread starter):
Luftansa is Flying a A319 from Dusseldorf germany to EWR on a A319

I'm actually surprised that there isn't a private air flight from FRA since Frankfurt is a much larger business/marketing area. Maybe in the future?
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 9):
I'm actually surprised that there isn't a private air flight from FRA since Frankfurt is a much larger business/marketing area.

First of all, I am not sure about FRA being a bigger business area than the Ruhr Valley. DUS is the no.1 airport for the Ruhr Valley, but DUS doesnt offer appropriate connections for business travellers who have business to do in the states. LH either cannot fill an A340 from DUS or is not willing to sacrifice one of their heavily utilized aircraft for that route, so an A319LR in an all-business configuration makes a lot of sense.
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 9):
I'm actually surprised that there isn't a private air flight from FRA

There are two main reasons airlines are using C-configured narrowbodies over the Atlantic.

1) Enough demand to justify the use of the A319/BBJ but not enough for a "traditional" (read C/Y or F/C/Y) widebody. Eg: DUS-EWR

2) Augmenting capacity on specific routes where there is more demand for C class than the existing widebody service, but not enough Y to justify throwing another widebody on the city pair. Eg: MUC-EWR

FRA being the hub that it is, there aren't too many city pairs where either #1 or #2 would apply. What we could see out of FRA is a service similar to AF's Dedicate (A319 in C/Y config with extra fuel tanks to serve long-haul destinations) to reach some additional CIS markets.
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 4:23 am

I don't know, but could PrivatAir do a FRA-JFK-FRA turn as follows.
Leave Frankfurt late in the evening, get into NY
Turn around, do a daytime out of JFK back to FRA?

I understand that business travelers LOVE AA/BA/VS daytime NYC-LON flights.
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 4:50 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 12):
I don't know, but could PrivatAir do a FRA-JFK-FRA turn as follows.
Leave Frankfurt late in the evening, get into NY
Turn around, do a daytime out of JFK back to FRA?

The time difference is against them. You could do it as you describe but after doing the eastbound daytripper from Kennedy to FRA, you would arrive too late to then fly back to Kennedy the same night. For instance, BA fly JFK-LHR (and yes, business people - myself included - swear by it), leaving Kennedy about 9am and arriving at LHR at 9pm. To fly back to JFK with the same aircraft, the earliest they could take off would be about 10.15pm, which would get into Kennedy about 1.15am - no use to anyone. And FRA is another 80 mins east of LHR, and another timezone to the east as well (meaning a 9am takeoff from Kennedy would mean landing at FRA about 11pm local).
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 4:53 am

To concentrate on the C market was a smart move when LH started these flights. DUS was the right place to do that but even in that extensive catchment area, the flights need some feeder traffic from across Europe.

BTW - if LH could have it their way, the single mega hub with 2000 movements per day would be in Northrine Westphalia, somewhere between DUS and DTM. That is where the largest catchment area is, unfortunatley, neither he space nor the acceptance is there.
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 5:27 am

My dad recently flew ORD-DUS (-BSL) on PrivatAir/Lufthansa. The plane was completely full. Seems to work quite well...

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Wed May 31, 2006 7:33 am

DTManiac, do LH have any plans to expand their Privatair service to the Middle East, Africa or even Central Asia?

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:20 am

I remember last summer. I flew on Privitair from EWR to DUS like July 1 believe and the flight was half full. I wasn't complaining but it was only half full nonetheless.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:34 am

Slighty off topic, but does anyone know how the BBJ and ACJ compare, has PrivatAir ever said something about which is the better AC for these routes?


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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
DTManiac, do LH have any plans to expand their Privatair service to the Middle East, Africa or even Central Asia?

Hmm, havent heard anything about that. I guess the current amount of business traffic doesnt justify such a flight at the moment. They probably prefer to route all the business traffic to those areas through their hubs in FRA and MUC. Their widebodies offer enough capacity for that, I guess, and I dont know how their load factors in business class are on those routes. Maybe somebody has more information about that?

Also remember that, for example, DUS has quite good direct connections to the middle east and from there to all of asia with Emirates flying there twice daily.

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 19):
Hmm, havent heard anything about that. I guess the current amount of business traffic doesnt justify such a flight at the moment. They probably prefer to route all the business traffic to those areas through their hubs in FRA and MUC. Their widebodies offer enough capacity for that, I guess, and I dont know how their load factors in business class are on those routes.

I was thinking something similar to AF's Dedicate operation to small (passenger wise) high yield destinations in West/Central Africa, Middle East and Central Asia.

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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:59 am

Just wanted to put out a question out there to those in the know. I gather that the North Rhein Westphalia region of Germany, which includes the cities of Cologne, Dusseldorf and Essen is the most populous region in Germany. I wonder if the region could say support a daily flight by SQ to Singapore?

If such a flight were viable, should it go out of Dusseldorf or Cologne? While Dusseldorf is more centrally located in the region, Cologne does have a much bigger population. In any case the whole region seems well connected by S-Bahn, would it be convenient for such a flight to go into Koln/Bonn with passengers getting on public transport to Dusseldorf and Essen? The attractiveness of Koln/Bonn is also that it does not seem to be restricted by slot issues and may be a good base for cargo connectivity, given the presence of UPS and DHL.
 
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting Airtropolis (Reply 21):
I gather that the North Rhein Westphalia region of Germany, which includes the cities of Cologne, Dusseldorf and Essen is the most populous region in Germany. I wonder if the region could say support a daily flight by SQ to Singapore?

Rather doubtful.
There would be only few onward connections possible on *A out of CGN.
If SQ were to add another flight between SIN and Germany, this one more probably would go into *A-hub MUC, however, neither LH nor SQ currently have the metal available to serve this route in a viable matter w/o cutting other routes (daily service, A343 or smaller, logical departure/arrival and turnaround times).

OTOH, in case that "freight to CGN" is a major factor, maybe a flight SIN-MUC-CGN might be an option, but still the a.m. problem with a/c persists ...
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:41 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 20):
I was thinking something similar to AF's Dedicate operation to small (passenger wise) high yield destinations in West/Central Africa, Middle East and Central Asia.

Didnt know about that service? What routes are they flying and what aircraft do they use for that? However, it has probably something to do with their former colonies if such flights are viable.
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RE: Dusseldorf-EWR LH408 (A319)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 23):
Quoting Horus (Reply 20):
I was thinking something similar to AF's Dedicate operation to small (passenger wise) high yield destinations in West/Central Africa, Middle East and Central Asia.

Didnt know about that service? What routes are they flying and what aircraft do they use for that? However, it has probably something to do with their former colonies if such flights are viable.

AF A319 (LR?)
Those flights to West/Central Africa are viable to most extend due to the fact that Oil Companies use these flights to their production plants down there(similar to the KL/Privatair BBJ2 plying AMS-IAH).
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