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Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 1:59 am

VIRGIN Blue's plan to launch a rival US service to Qantas on the high-profit Pacific route is being undermined by the high demand by world airlines for new aircraft.

The nation's number two carrier yesterday disclosed it was locked out of the production schedule for the new super efficient long-haul 787 airliner being built by traditional supplier Boeing.

Managing director Brett Godfrey said that Virgin Blue could not wait until 2010 or 2011 when Boeing would have planes available

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He said there was also a waiting list until 2011 for new versions of Virgin's 737 aircraft.

"Our view is not all those aeroplane orders will be taken up and that will leave us some speculative opportunity to get what we want straight off the bat, " Mr Godfrey said.

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http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...ge/0,5478,19311666%255E664,00.html

=> New 737 version? Is he talking about the -900X or the 700XLRXXXLwhatever?

=> Contest seems to be between the B777 and A340-600
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 2:11 am

Why not let SQ run the route  Wink
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 2:17 am

What a load of rubbish!

Godfrey had a chance just like every other airline to place their orders for the 787.
Boeing is not "locking" anyone out!
What kept Godfrey from trotting up to Seattle just like every other Airline chief did?

Talk about "Blame deflection"! His board is probably wondering why they're not going to have "super-efficient" aircraft, and the only response he can come up with is that it is Boeing's fault.
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 2:18 am

The article seems to suggest that Boeing is the only option for them, is that true? Are they looking for non-stop service to the US? What aircraft can handle that (current aircraft)? I guess the 772ER/LR, 77W, a345/346 and 747/a380 right?
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 5:29 am

If he's looking for capacity to launch the flights, I'm sure both Boeing and Airbus would be happy to provide him with some aircraft to use until the plane Virgin Blue really wants is ready.
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 5:32 am

A misleading title for sure. I suggest:
"Asleep at the Switch!" or
"Opportunity Came Knocking; Virgin Didn't Answer the Door"!
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
The article seems to suggest that Boeing is the only option for them, is that true?

I guess if they want to launch in 2011 it is, since the A350, in whatever form it takes flight in, won't be available until after that date.

Maybe the Qantas / Jetstar decision is indirectly forcing their hand to feel they also need the 787 to compete?
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 8:08 am

Virgin Blue have the choice of interim fleet before 787/350 are available. Several airlines are in the same situation. They want to start US services in late 2007/early 2008, so the 787/350 was never going to be available in that timeline. Lots of speculation they could get some of big sister VS' 346s to start the service and convert to a new type at a later date.
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 8:39 am

Since when is Virgin Blue wanting to order 787s? Definitely news to me.
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 9:00 am

Not sure what everyone is getting excited about, the article discusses in a fairly balanced way the current supply & demand situation in the airliner business, right now on the side of the manufacturers.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 2):
Boeing is not "locking" anyone out!

I didn't read it that way, I think some journalistic license may have been applied, I believe that whilst Brett Godfrey may have said those words, I don't believe he was blaming Boeing, more likely the market forces that have filled Boeings order book.
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 2:10 pm

Remember the Herald Sun is a daily tabloid and NOT a financial paper.

DJ has been between the proverbial rock and hard place with who was going actually going to be their major shareholder, with Patrick owning more than 50% and Toll wanting to buy Patrick

Toll and Patrick basically have a duopoly in Australia and this has affected decisions by things as diverse as DJ and Pacific National, who is Australia's biggest rail operator, which is jointly owned by Toll/Patrick

I imagine Godfrey meant by being 'locked out' was that there were no more slots and he acknoledges that slots will open up, as they do, as airlines don't take up orders/options.
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 8):
Since when is Virgin Blue wanting to order 787s? Definitely news to me.

Well I think that they're actually going to be called Pacific Blue (something to do with the SQ shareholding preventing trans-pacific flights being carried out by an airline with Virgin in the name!) and it's Virgin's new trans-pacific airline project that's in the process of startup.
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 6:20 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
Well I think that they're actually going to be called Pacific Blue

Pacific Blue is the trans Tasman operation, I doubt that will be the name of the Trans Pac operation.. just my thoughts
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 8:45 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 12):
Pacific Blue is the trans Tasman operation, I doubt that will be the name of the Trans Pac operation

I believe, and I think I read this somewhere in a magazine or something, that Virgin Blue's Aus-US carrier will be called Pacific Blue, something to do with naming rights overseas or something...can't remember.
 
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Wed May 31, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting Col (Reply 1):
Why not let SQ run the route

What a great idea, then we can have a real airline running in competition with QF. DJ sucks in my opinion . And befor I get flamed I have tried Virgin Blue, Atlantic & Express and as far as I am concerned they all suck
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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:53 am

Quoting Col (Reply 1):
Why not let SQ run the route

Stick to the subject; you're just trolling.

Quoting HBA (Reply 10):
I imagine Godfrey meant by being 'locked out' was that there were no more slots and he acknoledges that slots will open up, as they do, as airlines don't take up orders/options.

My thoughts exactly. With DJ being an all-Boeing airline, it sure wouldn't have been Brett's intention to slag them off in any way.

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 7):
Virgin Blue have the choice of interim fleet before 787/350 are available. Several airlines are in the same situation. They want to start US services in late 2007/early 2008, so the 787/350 was never going to be available in that timeline. Lots of speculation they could get some of big sister VS' 346s to start the service and convert to a new type at a later date.

Hmm, that'd be interesting. A 346 in DJ colours would look sweet! It'd be redder than a dog's dic...Bigger than a pornstars dild... umm, yeah, you know what I mean!

Quoting Malb777 (Reply 14):
What a great idea, then we can have a real airline running in competition with QF. DJ sucks in my opinion . And befor I get flamed I have tried Virgin Blue, Atlantic & Express and as far as I am concerned they all suck

Nice constructive argument you've formed there, neatly backed up by a biased opinion. Now, in the words of the Virgin Mary, come again?

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RE: Boeing Stalls Virgin's US Push

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:08 am

Remember Virgin Blue kind of needs the 787 and/or A350 since they cannot launch AUS-USA flights with a 772ER or a A330 which are good interim options. They would need the 772LR or A345 and obviously those are expensive planes to buy/ lease for a short period of time. I have no doubt Boeing will come up with something for Virgin Blue by the end of June  Wink

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