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UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 9:57 am

Looked like an United Express E170 just landed on 19L with no nose gear deployed. Lots of sparks as the nose scraped along the runway. Hope everyone is OK. Anyone have more info?
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:15 am

I'd like to hear about this one. Anyone have a news article or anything? That's a pretty big deal for a new plane.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:04 am

It's all over the news now (MSNBC, CNN, etc.). No injuries, fortunately. They evacuated using the slides.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:07 am

Local Fox 5 News reports that it was United Express Flight 7512. Three people reportedly sent to hospital but all ok.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:32 am

What city? I can't find anything on TV or the web. Where did this happen?
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:37 am

Quoting Flamant15 (Reply 4):
What city?

According to Flytecomm, flt. 7512 was coming from IAH.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting Flamant15 (Reply 4):
What city? I can't find anything on TV or the web. Where did this happen?

Happened at IAD Washington Dulles. Haven't seen it on CNN but it's on the local channels here in DC.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 2):
No injuries, fortunately

A few minor injuries actually. All things considered, It was an excellent landing, watching it Live was interesting. It's still on RWY 19L, getting ready to move now. It was shuttle america, not UA as some have reported
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:48 am

What is up with the 170 lately? Lots of tires blown. Glad everyone is okay!

Is the plane too heavy for the tires or something?
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 8):
What is up with the 170 lately? Lots of tires blown. Glad everyone is okay!

Is the plane too heavy for the tires or something?

Had nothing to do with tires, the nose gear did not deploy
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 12:59 pm

United Express has been having one of those days. They had a CRJ go off the runway in WI today. Luckily no injuries.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 10):
United Express has been having one of those days. They had a CRJ go off the runway in WI today.

Technically these instances were two different airlines (SkyWest, Shuttle America) but that probably wasn't what you were saying. But does anyone else notice how things like this seem to happen close together? I know two NW aircraft had incidents within a week or two in August. Just coincidences of course.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 11):
Technically these instances were two different airlines (SkyWest, Shuttle America) but that probably wasn't what you were saying. But does anyone else notice how things like this seem to happen close together? I know two NW aircraft had incidents within a week or two in August. Just coincidences of course.

Yes. It is kind of freaky actually. Seems like disasters happen in three's lately too.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 11):
Technically these instances were two different airlines (SkyWest, Shuttle America) but that probably wasn't what you were saying. But does anyone else notice how things like this seem to happen close together? I know two NW aircraft had incidents within a week or two in August. Just coincidences of course.

Right, right. Unfortunately, for United, the stories (locally) have the //// with the story. Typically, these things (like others) happen in threes. I don't much care for anticipation of anything.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 12):
Seems like disasters happen in three's lately too.

Yes, as a firefighter, that is a commonly held superstition amongst us. If we have had 2 calls during a shift, we know not to go to bed, because at some point...a 3rd one WILL be coming...probably when in the bathroom or in the middle of dinner...
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 7:06 pm

Here are a couple links about the story. Plane apparently took off from DCA headed to DFW and blew a tire on takeoff, and made the emergency landing at IAD.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0506/328438.html

http://www.nbc4.com/news/9237936/detail.html
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 7:39 pm

Any links for the video? I saw numerous text stories on local news web sites but no video.

Thanks
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 8:26 pm

didnt this just happen like 2 weeks ago?... An EMB-145 was on takeoff roll out of DCA, blew a tire... then went to IAD .. US Air as well?
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:04 pm

Here you folks go



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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:12 pm

Quoting Skydogs (Reply 18):

Wow, excellent shots man.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:17 pm

Interesting side note. 15minutes prior to this landing. NWA CRJ made an emergency landing on the same runway. Deplaned on the taxiway and had to be towed to the gate....
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:24 pm



Nice shot Skydogs, thanks for sharing with us.

I have a question. If this incident was to occur to an B787 what degree of damage would one expect to a composite fuselage from such a landing?

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 8):
What is up with the 170 lately? Lots of tires blown.

Were they Firestone tires?
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):

Were they Firestone tires?

Good one Boeing Nut.  Smile Although I feel that many non-American members wont understand that remark.

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 21):

WTF kinda of question is that?

Every crash/incident is different. This turned out good but who is to say the next one is not going to break apart and crash into a million pieces.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting Panaman (Reply 24):

WTF kinda of question is that?

Every crash/incident is different. This turned out good but who is to say the next one is not going to break apart and crash into a million pieces.

Did you actually read my question correctly?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 21):

I have a question. If this incident was to occur to an B787 what degree of damage would one expect to a composite fuselage from such a landing?

Ill put it another way. If a similar incident was to occur to an B787 which is made up of composite fuselage what degree of damage would one expect.

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting Panaman (Reply 24):
WTF kinda of question is that?

Calm down... Heres the story, a few years ago, Firestone tires on Ford Explorers here in the US were having blowouts at high speeds, causing rollovers. I dont think the story made it past the atlantic. Thats why he had the non-american remark. So take a chill pill.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 25):
Did you actually read my question correctly?

Obviously not...
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Wed May 31, 2006 11:34 pm

Maybe I'm missing something, but at least in the shots, there are no ARFF or emergency vehicles... For having what I think is a fairly major issue, I'm surprised the runway is so barren.

Also, the NBC4 story above linked to a blown tire story for US Airways, so that's not the correct story.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 26):
Calm down... Heres the story, a few years ago, Firestone tires on Ford Explorers here in the US were having blowouts at high speeds, causing rollovers. I dont think the story made it past the atlantic.

LOL that's not what he was talking about. He was saying WTF to the question about the 787 and composites which, by the way, seems perfectly valid. It's a good question that I wouldn't have an answer to.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting PDXflyer31 (Reply 15):
Plane apparently took off from DCA headed to DFW and blew a tire on takeoff,

Thanks for the info, although Skydogs gets the big cudos for those photos. Wow!  wideeyed  I'm happy to hear no major injuries.  Smile  Smile  Smile

Questions: Are the E-jets going through tires any faster than normal?

As for a 787, I could only speculate. Since both Aluminum and Carbon are fuels in my world.  Wink I don't think the fire danger would be any greater. In fact, I believe the carbon would slide more readily and thus not heat up to the same degree as aluminum. But this is speculation. Anyone?

BTW, it doesn't matter to the press who operates the plane, its who's logo is on the tail. Like it or not, UA just made CNN...

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:05 am

The two links above are to the wrong incident. This flight was attempting to land in IAD when the nose gear would not deploy. The routing was IAH-IAD. There were many emergency vehicles out there you just can't see them in the shot. Great pics by the way.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting PDXflyer31 (Reply 15):
Here are a couple links about the story. Plane apparently took off from DCA headed to DFW and blew a tire on takeoff, and made the emergency landing at IAD.

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0506/328438.html

http://www.nbc4.com/news/9237936/det....html

Those linkes are from May 18th about a US Airways flight. United does not fly from DCA to DFW.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:20 am

E170s don't hold 100 passengers... what the heck is the news talking about?
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:35 am

Gr8 shots Skydogs ! Its amazing since I am in DC and have heard nothing about this incident since morning - when did this happen ? Sorry - need local time cant figure out the math from the posting time ....
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:42 am

my bro flies these for republic. just 2 days ago departing ATL-IAD he had to return back to the airport because the gear wouldnt retract. they returned to airport then were dead headed CNH to take another leg to BNA.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 29):
Questions: Are the E-jets going through tires any faster than normal?

Ours aren't considering the amount of cycles they are doing a day.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting Skydogs (Reply 18):

Awesome shots buddy! The beauty of these forums...we don't miss a lot!

But I pose one question - Why didn't this get the amount of coverage JetBlue 292 (twisted nosegear at LAX) got?

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:28 am

I had a funny feeling about those links as soon as I posted them. Seemed like too many discrepancies from what was originally discussed. But I figured that it had to be the same event, it didn't occur to me that two RJ's would have emergency landings within two weeks at the same airport with gear/tire issues.

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:44 am

Blew a tire?? Must be the media's knowlege?
Apparently it looks like the nosegear failed to retract, according to the pictures above. Glad all onboard were safe!!

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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Midway2airtran (Reply 38):
Apparently it looks like the nosegear failed to retract

Apparently, I'd say that the nosegear DID retract, but would not extend.

The tires on the E170 are made by Dunlop and are not common to any other aircraft type (except for the 170 family). They were the only company that would make the tire that Embraer specified it needed.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 34):
my bro flies these for republic. just 2 days ago departing ATL-IAD he had to return back to the airport because the gear wouldnt retract. they returned to airport then were dead headed CNH to take another leg to BNA.

I'll assume you mean he flies for Shuttle America, as ATL-IAD is not a Republic Airlines route. I also assume they DH'd to CMH.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 36):
Why didn't this get the amount of coverage JetBlue 292 (twisted nosegear at LAX) got?

Because it wasnt in Lala land where news copters are more common than Starbucks and it wasnt a slow news day?
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:16 am

The shot of the nose sparking was pretty much taken as soon as it made contact. I assure you, that ARFF vehicles were there standing by. They were on Juliet and Kilo. The one shot I will post later. Shows the first vehicles to reach the a/c was 2 ops officers and the mobile lounge.

As far video coverage.... There wasn't time for the news copters to get here. The aircraft made one low pass to verify the gear. Then went right back into the pattern. The only incident from low pass to landing was less than 15 mins.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:32 am

Also live here around DC..not really breaking news here right now.....Hey skydogs can you tell where you took those shots....one of the parking garages by any chance.???

[Edited 2006-05-31 22:46:15]
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 36):
Why didn't this get the amount of coverage JetBlue 292 (twisted nosegear at LAX) got?

Because the jetBlue flight flew around for a few hours before it landed. It sounds like these guys landed just after the first pass. I'm sure after flying cross country they were down to Mins on fuel. The news just never had the time to get on site.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:47 am

Regarding this clip:

http://www.nbc4.com/news/9237936/detail.html

Good lord, the flight attendants are shouting brace commands, and the guy has his camera on?? What happened to "stow all loose objects because they can boink your noggin'?!"
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 44):
Good lord, the flight attendants are shouting brace commands, and the guy has his camera on?? What happened to "stow all loose objects because they can boink your noggin'?!"

Welcome to the age of flightlevel350.com....record everything and post it! LOL!
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 44):
Good lord, the flight attendants are shouting brace commands, and the guy has his camera on?? What happened to "stow all loose objects because they can boink your noggin'?!"

I'll bet a fair amount of us might be caught doing that  Wink

And the news coverage thing...valid points about the timing, but I think I like NorthStarDC4M's explanation better  biggrin 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 44):
Regarding this clip:

Keep in mind, this is from a different event. NOT from last night.
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting PDXflyer31 (Reply 15):

This is incorrect info. The flight was on a IAH-IAD route and the nose gear would not deploy on landing. The DCA-DFW was operated by US Airways.
 
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RE: UAX E170 Lands In IAD With No Nose Gear!

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:21 pm

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 44):
Regarding this clip:

http://www.nbc4.com/news/9237936/detail.html

Good lord, the flight attendants are shouting brace commands, and the guy has his camera on?? What happened to "stow all loose objects because they can boink your noggin'?!"

Yeah, that is pretty stupid actually! WTF is the guy doing? If that plane had jolted or bounced into the grass with a screeching stop, that lady would have had a camera lens up her nose. And the surgery to remove it would have been nasty to say the least! LOL!

I really think the last thing I would be worried about is getting my camera out. Nice layout interior on the plane btw! No Livetv though?
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