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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:10 pm

Seen this morning at TLS, news wonglets now on s/n 2755 full JBU cls.
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:21 pm

it looks very nice! Do you know if that's a test flight or the delivery one ??
 
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:22 pm

Wow, they sure are different from the usual Airbus wingtips. I do have to say though I think that style of wingtip looks a lot better on the Boeing 737's than the Airbus A320. How much do these new wingtips effect the planes performance?

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:25 pm

About time we see the winglets make their apperance into the fleet! We where told that we should expect to see them sometime in '06. I have to admit that they look pretty good!
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:28 pm

I thought that Airbus just began testing the winglets in spring? How comes that first deliveries alreagy got them? Are they gonna be available as a retrofit or are the changes to the wing structure too grave to refit existing A32S with them ... ?
 
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:38 pm

How much does it cost to put a pair of winglets onto a plane?
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:57 pm

Why the wnglet change? Are these winglets supposed to be more efficient than those of the old style?
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:05 pm

The old style are more of wing fairings, they really didn't do much to add to fuel efficency. They new winglets are suppose to have the same fuel savings as Boeing's Winglets.
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:26 pm

Sorry, but I think they look like an afterthought compared to the Boeing blended winglets....


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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:29 pm

I agree Tjwgrr. BBW look factory fresh as opposed to Airbus' look after-market bolt on.
 
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 5):
How much does it cost to put a pair of winglets onto a plane?

I seem to recall that the costs for a 737NG are around $2 Million per plane.
 
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:34 pm

well....now the A320 looks like a big papa ERJ 175  Smile
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:37 pm

The winglets on the 757 look kind of funky...for some reason it does not look right  Big grin
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:39 pm

Are these the Airbus factory ones, or the After market ones. I know jetBlue aircraft are going to be flight testing both types.
 
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:39 pm

I think I would have painted the winglet blue rather than left it white with the 2 thin stripes. I know, I know, everybodys a critic. It'll be a while for me I'm sure but I'm looking forward to my first wingletted A320 ride. Can the new winglets be used on everything from the 318 to the 321?
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:47 pm

@ AvroArrow:

"Can the new winglets be used on everything from 318 to 321?"

I don´t see why not, looks great on JetBlue´s 320 not those big rabbit ears that´s stuck on the 737s. *matter of taste*

How about longer range with new winglets?? I haven´t read anything about it on Airbus website..

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Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 12):
The winglets on the 757 look kind of funky...for some reason it does not look right Big grin

It makes the 757 look like a TU 204............ Wink
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:40 pm

JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets. These are Airbus' attempt at the winglets. The other design is supposed to be a true "blended" winglet that looks alot like the ones on the 737.
 
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:45 pm

Are these winglets a customer option because it seems that some planes further on the line have not been fitted.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 16):
It makes the 757 look like a TU 204............

Or maybe it really reveals that the TU204 looks like the B757.  Smile  Smile  Smile

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 2):
hey sure are different from the usual Airbus wingtips.

I'm not at all crazy about the look of the Airbus wingtip fences, but I'm not sure these "winglets" are any better. Look rather flimsy to me.

Quoting J32driver (Reply 17):
JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets.

Really? Any more detail on that? Are they planning on using company planes that would otherwise be in revenue service? Or are they using two revenue flights on the same route as a comparison test?


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Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting AvroArrow (Reply 14):
Can the new winglets be used on everything from the 318 to the 321?

Do the A318 - A321 share a common wing (in terms of dimensions not just design) if so then the winglet will physically fit.

However the main consideration is the role of the aircraft. The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn. They only start to be cost effective on routes over a certain length, when the reductions in fuel burn start to counter the increased weight.

A318s are generally used on shorter flights, therefore they probably wont be cost effective, whereas on A320/A321s doing longer flights they are worth the investment.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 21):
The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn. They only start to be cost effective on routes over a certain length, when the reductions in fuel burn start to counter the increased weight.

Not disputing you here, but if that's the case, what about WN? Their 737 fleet, by and large, have the blended winglets, but yet many of the a/c fly rather short flights. I find it hard to believe, but does WN take a penalty on the short-hauls knowing they'll make it up on the long-hauls? Or is there some other explanation? Thanks for any info!

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 12:38 am

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:10 am

Remember, Airbus was going to test a set of winglets that they designed and a set that Winglet Systems designed. The Airbus winglets appear to have been tested on the Airbus owned A320:

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:14 am

 yuck 

I don't like them.

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 2):
I do have to say though I think that style of wingtip looks a lot better on the Boeing 737's than the Airbus A320.

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I wonder if Boeing Aviation Partners patented the winglets for large aircraft or not....
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:36 am

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 8):
Sorry, but I think they look like an afterthought compared to the Boeing blended winglets....

Ummm... they're not Boeing winglets. They're Aviation Partner's winglets. And 737 was not the first plane flying with them (GIV and GV were).

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
I wonder if Boeing Aviation Partners patented the winglets for large aircraft or not....

I thought they tested it on a leased 747 at one time. I know I've seen pictures of it in AW&ST in early 2000 or so... The never-launched 747X was supposed to have blended winglets also.

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:56 am

I don't like them sorry
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:56 am

Technically, they are Aviation Partners Boeing winglets, so yes, they are Boeing products. Boeing bought them out several years ago.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting Airwave (Reply 22):
Not disputing you here, but if that's the case, what about WN? Their 737 fleet, by and large, have the blended winglets, but yet many of the a/c fly rather short flights. I find it hard to believe, but does WN take a penalty on the short-hauls knowing they'll make it up on the long-hauls? Or is there some other explanation?

Winglets do add weight, and since there's no such thing in life as a free ride, they only reduce fuel consumption on longer segments while in cruise. The winglets obviously have to be dragged up to cruise altitude (at a penalty) before they start saving fuel.

I suspect that WN's analysis is that the fuel saving on their longer segments is greater then the additional fuel burnt carrying winglets on their shorter ones. Overall they must be better off otherwise they wouldn't have fitted the winglets.

If you check the photos here of the 744Ds (Japanese domestic version), they don't have winglets for that very reason - on the short domestic routes in Japan there's too great a penalty for having them.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:02 am

Question: Who the heck cares what they look like? They are WINGLETS, people. I'd put one on my car if it would help eek out another 5mpg!

The more appropriate question is whether they will work. Are they going to provide the promised range increase/ improved fuel economy? In the case of the 737 & 757, clearly the answer is 'yes' for many carriers. Personally, I don't like the looks of the winglets on the 757 but if it betters performance and helps keep airfares lower, then I am all for it.

Should B6 go with either winglet design, I wonder if they'll be painted in tail colors?
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:07 am

I think the ones on the 737NG's look better.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 4):
I thought that Airbus just began testing the winglets in spring? How comes that first deliveries alreagy got them?

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:10 am

Hey this is my first post! Anyways...will these winglets make a difference more on the longer or shorter routes? Or both? Hopefully we'll see them in SLC sometime.  crossfingers 
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:19 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 35):
Well, add me to the minority then. I actually prefer 73G and 738 without those winglets. I think they look better with "clean" wingtips.

I think the raked wingtips on the U.S. Navy P-8 (737-800ER) look best of all.
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 30):
Winglets do add weight, and since there's no such thing in life as a free ride, they only reduce fuel consumption on longer segments while in cruise. The winglets obviously have to be dragged up to cruise altitude (at a penalty) before they start saving fuel.

This is a whole lot of misinformation.

Winglets do the following (with various effectiveness depending on design):

Reduce burn in cruise
Reduce takeoff field length or reduce thrust required for takeoff at set speed
Reduce approach speed
Reduce noise on takeoff/landing
Increase climb performance, reaching altitude/cruise sooner

Thus, they do, in fact, have benefits for short flights.

Now the weight penalty is real, so on very short flights, they likely "wash out" but for a fleet, the overall benefit is obvious or airlines wouldn't be installing them on short range planes!!!
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 21):
A318s are generally used on shorter flights, therefore they probably wont be cost effective, whereas on A320/A321s doing longer flights they are worth the investment.

Good point Nighthawk. Isn't there some design weaknesses to the wing of the A320 series when at the end of the envelope, and that this winglet will reduce the penalties of the less efficient wing at the end of the flight envelope?

Quoting Airwave (Reply 20):
Really? Any more detail on that? Are they planning on using company planes that would otherwise be in revenue service? Or are they using two revenue flights on the same route as a comparison test?

The registration on the Jetblue aircraft is french registered, which means that perhaps it is a new one that will be delivered to JetBlue after test flights are complete? Anyone have any details on that?
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 39):
The registration on the Jetblue aircraft is french registered, which means that perhaps it is a new one that will be delivered to JetBlue after test flights are complete? Anyone have any details on that?

No details but all TLS-built Airbuses have temporary French registrations until they are handed over to their new owners. I didn't check but this reg has probably been used on other planes in the past.
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 35):
Well, add me to the minority then. I actually prefer 73G and 738 without those winglets. I think they look better with "clean" wingtips.

You're not in the minoirty, because you have an opinion. You care what they look like, and you don't like them. Harry was saying "You're in the minority" to RichieRich because he didn't CARE what they looked like.

And, Harry, I agree, it's an aviation enthusiasts' site. We do care what planes look like. Good to see you back and posting.

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 13):
Are these the Airbus factory ones, or the After market ones. I know jetBlue aircraft are going to be flight testing both types.

Good question. Who won the fly off? Or will one of each be tested "in the system?"  hyper 

Quoting Richierich (Reply 31):
Question: Who the heck cares what they look like? They are WINGLETS, people. I'd put one on my car if it would help eek out another 5mpg!

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Quoting Richierich (Reply 31):

Should B6 go with either winglet design, I wonder if they'll be painted in tail colors?

I too wonder this. The photo supplied seems to have flight test stripping on it. Will we see a variety of winglet colors that alternate in sync with the tail or even independently?  Wink

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Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:46 am

The other winglets were supposed to be elliptical ones. Henry Lam did a study on them. A320EP (3200nm range, 4 row stretch, CFM56-9, roof windows, new cabin)

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 38):
Winglets do the following (with various effectiveness depending on design):

Reduce burn in cruise
Reduce takeoff field length or reduce thrust required for takeoff at set speed
Reduce approach speed
Reduce noise on takeoff/landing
Increase climb performance, reaching altitude/cruise sooner

Thus, they do, in fact, have benefits for short flights.

Now the weight penalty is real, so on very short flights, they likely "wash out" but for a fleet, the overall benefit is obvious or airlines wouldn't be installing them on short range planes!!!

Ah, didn't realize a few of those points. Makes sense now. Thanks for that.


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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 21):
The wingtip adds extra weight, increasing fuel burn

Actually, you could pick up a winglet by hand (I believe they weight well under 100lbs each if someone knows better please let me know). They don't add that much weight at all. On your second point the fuel burn, the drag that they reduce by far outway any weight increase. It also allows for less power to be used on take-off, less fuel to be carried and can extend the aircrafts range. You are right though, there is a benifit on any fight but the biggest, most noticable gains are on longer hauls.
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting J32driver (Reply 17):
JetBlue is supposedly going to have a "fly-off" of two different designs for the winglets. These are Airbus' attempt at the winglets. The other design is supposed to be a true "blended" winglet that looks alot like the ones on the 737.

This is absolutely correct. Based on that pic, those are the Airbus design. The guy that designed the blended winglets started his own company and designed a blended winglet for the A320. I think they are just trying the Airbus ones and haven't gotten to the blended ones yet.
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:57 am

Makes a terrible looking airplane loose even worse.. Eww..
 
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Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:04 am

I think the A320 looks simply awful with those new winglets. The wing tip fences look much better, and give the A320 a unique look.

All this, of course, is from a purely visual and subjective point of view. If they do provide an increase in efficency, then I would expect we'll see more of them. I hope they don't improve efficency, 'cause I like the way the A320 family looks with the fences. I know, I'm just being selfish.  Big grin

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 27):
Ummm... they're not Boeing winglets. They're Aviation Partner's winglets. And 737 was not the first plane flying with them (GIV and GV were).

Almost right. The GII was the first aircraft to fly with API winglets.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 27):
I thought they tested it on a leased 747 at one time. I know I've seen pictures of it in AW&ST in early 2000 or so... The never-launched 747X was supposed to have blended winglets also.



Quoting 777gk (Reply 29):
Technically, they are Aviation Partners Boeing winglets, so yes, they are Boeing products. Boeing bought them out several years ago.

Wrong. Aviation Partners, Inc. has a joint venture with Boeing called Aviation Partners Boeing. Boeing did not buy out Aviation Partners. The winglets are all API (GII and Hawker 800) or APB (737NG, 737 Classic and 757) products. Boeing installs APB winglets on new-build 737NGs. APB does retrofits on 737NGs, 737 Classics and 757s.
 
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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 49):
This is absolutely correct. Based on that pic, those are the Airbus design. The guy that designed the blended winglets started his own company and designed a blended winglet for the A320. I think they are just trying the Airbus ones and haven't gotten to the blended ones yet.

I can't wait to see the blended winglets on the A320.

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RE: A320 New Winglets On Jet Blue Aircraft (photo)

Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting J32driver (Reply 17):
The other design is supposed to be a true "blended" winglet that looks alot like the ones on the 737.

I hope so. They look awesome. I worked for TZ and they amazed me every time I looked. They are so huge.

A pilot said the winglets on the 738's of TZ's made the plane a little squirrelly during cross-wind landings. Any word on the effect on the 757s equipped with winglets?

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