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US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:39 am

With US inspectors praising security measures at Cairo International Airport (CAI) last month*, could this be a possible indication that US airlines are expected to launch US-CAI flights soon? In addition SITA won a contract to further enhance security at 7 Egyptian airports (including CAI)** and the airport itself will see its new terminal (T3) and runway open in the latter part of 2007. Egyptair's JFK flights are going from strength to strength and a little healthy competition never hurt anyone.

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* http://www.amcham.org.eg/BSAC/WatchBulletin/Issues/jun106.asp
** http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidZA...17EA26-F5E0-11D4-867D00D0B74A0D7C/

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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:55 am

DL started JFK-CAI, unfortunately just before 9/11 so it never had time to catch on. I'd like to see it tried again and would guess that if any US airline were to return to CAI it'd be DL.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
DL started JFK-CAI, unfortunately just before 9/11 so it never had time to catch on. I'd like to see it tried again and would guess that if any US airline were to return to CAI it'd be DL.

Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

TWA operated the route until they were acquired by AA.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:41 pm

I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 1):
DL started JFK-CAI, unfortunately just before 9/11 so it never had time to catch on. I'd like to see it tried again and would guess that if any US airline were to return to CAI it'd be DL.

I would agree that DL (and possibly CO) are forerunners if US carriers decide to launch CAI flight. How about UA who recently announced plans for KWI?

DL started CAI services in S01 operating 3x weekly JFK-CAI-DXB-CAI-JFK MD-11 flights.

AA took over TWA flights maintaining a 6x weekly JFK-CAI-RUH-CAI-JFK B763 service.

Unfortunately both terminated their services post-9/11.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

DL started their flights at the start of the 2001 summer season.

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
TWA operated the route until they were acquired by AA.

AA maintained their JFK-CAI-RUH flights after taking over TWA. TLV (their only other ME destination) was terminated however. The AA service was terminated on October 20th 2001.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

Well Egyptair have a daily CAI-JFK-CAI B777 service. A SFO-JFK-CAI would be great. I can imagine UA having a SFO-ORD-CAI flight though.


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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 4):
Well Egyptair have a daily CAI-JFK-CAI B777 service. A SFO-JFK-CAI would be great. I can imagine UA having a SFO-ORD-CAI flight though.

Yeah I would have to fly out of SFO, SMF, OAK because those are the closest airports to me seeing that flying out of FAT would just add another leg.

Now how well is the Egyptair flights? I have not read up on anything with Egyptair. Is the Economy class decient? How about Buisness class? I usually stick to Delta when I fly internationally but if Egyptair has good service, I would deffinatly give them a try.

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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Yeah I would have to fly out of SFO, SMF, OAK because those are the closest airports to me seeing that flying out of FAT would just add another leg.

How would you go there if you had to go tomorrow? SFO-JFK (DL) JFK-CDG (DL) CDG-CAI (AF c/s with DL)?

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Now how well is the Egyptair flights? I have not read up on anything with Egyptair. Is the Economy class decient? How about Buisness class? I usually stick to Delta when I fly internationally but if Egyptair has good service, I would deffinatly give them a try.

Well Egyptair have been gradually increasing their JFK flights (it went daily last month). The B777s are fitted with 12F/21C/286Y seats. In Y class the service is top notch, meals are fulfilling and legroom is a hell of a lot better than most airlines. The only issue is lack of PTVs and the use of large screens down the aisle. I flew Horus (Business) class on the B777 once back in 2004 on the LHR-CAI route and was impressed. Though they aren't lie flat beds the service makes up for it. Egyptair has one of the highest cabin crew to passenger ratio which means more attention to passengers.

A.net member CaptinTut flies the route regularly so he might be able to give you a better insight.


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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:11 am

If a US carrier would (re)launch a service to Cairo, by guess would also be CO or DL, but even with Egyptair doing well on their routes to the US and even with the improvements in security at CAI, I just dont think that Cairo is a priority for US carriers at the moment.

As for CO, they simply dont have the aircraft to open up the route......CO's 767 and 777 fleets are being used to their limits and clearly the "757 trick" would not work on EWR-CAI. DL did try Cairo once, as pointed out above, and the timing was all wrong; maybe they will try again - a lot depends upon how all of the new routes launched this summer work out - lets see if longhaul will be the answer to Delta's problems.

Maybe we will be surprised, after all, who ever thought that UA would open up IAD-Kuwait?
 
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:20 am

Would CO need to acquire "route authority" with Egypt gov. or does the US have an open-skies agreement with Egypt ?

Might AA sell the route authority they have to CAI if another US carrier was interested in starting service to CAI or other destinations in Egypt ? Maybe UA be interested, they have additional 744's they could add to their fleet, using that or freeing up a 772 for IAD or ORD to CAI service. AA seems tight on 777's, and have little interest in starting new service to middle east from what they have demonstrated.
 
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
If a US carrier would (re)launch a service to Cairo, by guess would also be CO or DL, but even with Egyptair doing well on their routes to the US and even with the improvements in security at CAI, I just dont think that Cairo is a priority for US carriers at the moment.

Well the market is there and warrants more non stop services. At the moment Egyptair and the likes of BA, KL, LX, LH and LX (via their own hubs) have the market to themselves. Even though CAI may not be their top priority at the moment, I would say it is high up on their list.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 8):
Would CO need to acquire "route authority" with Egypt gov. or does the US have an open-skies agreement with Egypt ?

IIRC the current agreement allows upto a daily service by a US carrier but I can see the Egyptian authorities happily rectify that if US carriers applied for more.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 8):
Maybe UA be interested, they have additional 744's they could add to their fleet, using that or freeing up a 772 for IAD or ORD to CAI service

UA in CAI is possible but a long shot. How is UA projected to do finanacially this year?



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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

love to see AA try SFO-JFK-CAI..would be a nice new gateway for AA.....that being said, I doubt that will happen though.... Sad

Quoting Horus (Reply 4):

DL started their flights at the start of the 2001 summer season.

I was @ DXB and was a bit surprised to see a DL bird there....was quite cool too see....

hopefully we'll see more carriers bold like UA and fly to the Middle East....I know if AA flies to the Middle East, it will get my business... yes 
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

It wasn't unprofitable; it was security concerns. When the new terminal opens I am sure DL will go back into CAI. DL lacked the post 9/11 confidence with the CAI airport.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
How would you go there if you had to go tomorrow? SFO-JFK (DL) JFK-CDG (DL) CDG-CAI (AF c/s with DL)?

I would guess so sense DL is my prefered airline. All of my miles are with US though. I use those on my domestic flights as I am not the biggest fan of US international but i dont hate it as well.

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
Well Egyptair have been gradually increasing their JFK flights (it went daily last month). The B777s are fitted with 12F/21C/286Y seats. In Y class the service is top notch, meals are fulfilling and legroom is a hell of a lot better than most airlines. The only issue is lack of PTVs and the use of large screens down the aisle. I flew Horus (Business) class on the B777 once back in 2004 on the LHR-CAI route and was impressed. Though they aren't lie flat beds the service makes up for it. Egyptair has one of the highest cabin crew to passenger ratio which means more attention to passengers.

A.net member CaptinTut flies the route regularly so he might be able to give you a better insight.


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Thanks a lot! Sounds like Y class would be like some of the C class in american carriers. Quite sad actually. But I will deffinatly put your wisdom to use.

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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:37 pm

UA ... IAD-CAI could work too. Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too
 
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Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:41 pm

I think you'll see DL back in CAI in 2007. Also, I think DXB will also be back on the DL route map.
 
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 13):
UA ... IAD-CAI could work too. Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

A lot of cities could use the route. SFO or LAX as well opperated by AA or UA.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
hopefully we'll see more carriers bold like UA and fly to the Middle East....I know if AA flies to the Middle East, it will get my business... yes

Well the market is definitely there, but I guess it's the perceived threat that is holding US carriers back. But (I hope) sooner rather than later we see more US airlines in the region.

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11):
It wasn't unprofitable; it was security concerns. When the new terminal opens I am sure DL will go back into CAI. DL lacked the post 9/11 confidence with the CAI airport.

I agree, however the market did take a severe battering post-9/11 more than any other market (for obvious reasons) so DL's decision was to a certain extent understandable. However I do remember back then, DL officials stating the service would relaunch on March 15th 2002 but it never happened.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
Thanks a lot! Sounds like Y class would be like some of the C class in american carriers. Quite sad actually. But I will deffinatly put your wisdom to use.

Here is a recent TR I made of in Egyptair's B777 Y class (although it was on a short domestic service): Egyptair B777 Cairo-Sharm El Sheikh (+21 Pics) (by Horus May 29 2006 in Trip Reports)

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):

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Glad to have helped.

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 13):
UA ... IAD-CAI could work too. Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

Absolutely. The likes of LH and BA have a big chunk of the US-Egypt market. I guess the IAD-CAI market would heavily rely on passengers connecting connecting through IAD because I can't see a substantial O&D market there.

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 14):
I think you'll see DL back in CAI in 2007. Also, I think DXB will also be back on the DL route map.

DL Widget Head, I really hope it materialises.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):

A lot of cities could use the route. SFO or LAX as well opperated by AA or UA.

You mean connecting passengers?


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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:16 am

Regretfully there is a bias and fear by US airlines to serve the Arab world.

Even United's recent announcement of KWI service is somewhat gamble if the average person (both US & foreign) would fly a US air carrier into the region. Hopefully the strong business links to Kuwait and the Iraq reconstruction will provide ample traffic.

Overall the Middle East with the exception of Israel is viewed as a rather small marginal market that is not worth pursuing much. There are many more less risky (both safety & financially) markets out there that get the attention of US carriers instead.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:18 am

The US uses the most oil in the world. The Middle East has the most oil.

There is plenty of business between the two regions.
 
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:35 am

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 2):
Delta picked up JFK-CAI via the PanAm acquisition. It was one of many unprofitable routes dropped.

Perhaps they got the route authority from the acquisition, but Pan Am only served Cairo, IRC between 1982 and 1984. Cairo was an exclusive TWA city for the most part from the early 1950s on. (Certain cities in Europe and the Middle East were more or less the property of Pan Am or TWA and those lines were hardly if ever crossed by the other)
 
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:41 am

First off I am rather upset that I'll be attending college this year meaning all non-esscencial travel would have to be cancelled. Only trips home and the occasional short hop to MIA from JAX can be allowed now so CAI is out of the question even after college as my resources will be pooled to other things.

I for one would love to see CAI being opened to US carriers and the one I think will open the market up is AA. I know some people might fell it is a stretch but I think AA could work in enlarging the market as well as due to their Middle Eastern ties with RJ and TK (Which is not Middle Eastern but will provide a market). Maybe this won't happen as AA is stretched but who knows, this is all IMHO.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
Overall the Middle East with the exception of Israel is viewed as a rather small marginal market that is not worth pursuing much. There are many more less risky (both safety & financially) markets out there that get the attention of US carriers instead.

Not entirely true. The percieved risk is far greater than the actual risk. I hope at the end of the day business opportunities are exploited and not held back by bias. Also the market is significant (not as much as TLV) but still a large and profitable one.

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 20):
I for one would love to see CAI being opened to US carriers and the one I think will open the market up is AA. I know some people might fell it is a stretch but I think AA could work in enlarging the market as well as due to their Middle Eastern ties with RJ and TK (Which is not Middle Eastern but will provide a market). Maybe this won't happen as AA is stretched but who knows, this is all IMHO.

AA are well placed to serve the market due to their past experience but as quite a few have stated DL and CO seem to be the likely candidates for any US-CAI flights. If MS joins Star Alliance by 2008 (as they have stated) then UA IAD-CAI flights could materialise. US flights on the PHL-CAI route with A350/A370s would be great (well we can all dream).

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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:33 am

Egyptair Does CAI-JFK-CAI Daily and CAI-YUL-CAI twice weekly on 777 services

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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 22):
Egyptair Does CAI-JFK-CAI Daily and CAI-YUL-CAI twice weekly on 777 services

Indeed they do. The JFK service is year round but YUL is Summer only





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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):

Like i said in some other thread and like many people here i do agree that if we are going to see any us airlines in CAI it would be either DL or CO, DL served CAI before, co tried once in the wrong time but for now both are the only two us airlines that fly to ME DL JFK - TLV and CO EWR - TLV

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

that would be a nice route to do, you reminded me when MS used to FLY LAX-JFK-CAI

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Now how well is the Egyptair flights? I have not read up on anything with Egyptair. Is the Economy class decient? How about Buisness class? I usually stick to Delta when I fly internationally but if Egyptair has good service, I would deffinatly give them a try.

Since I do fly to CAI a lot I tried different airlines, mostly Europeans besides of course flying MS, if you give me the choice I will take MS over any others.
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Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
A.net member CaptinTut flies the route regularly so he might be able to give you a better insight.

Just did  Smile hope it will Help

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Maybe we will be surprised, after all, who ever thought that UA would open up IAD-Kuwait?

Can't agree more you can never expect what can happen, even thought i don't think UA will go CAI i would love to see them in CAI

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 8):
Would CO need to acquire "route authority" with Egypt gov. or does the US have an open-skies agreement with Egypt ?

As far of my knowledge they don't (horus can pack me up here) but I Guarantee that if a us airline wanna fly that route it wouldn't be a problem with Egyptian Gov. at all

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11):
It wasn't unprofitable; it was security concerns. When the new terminal opens I am sure DL will go back into CAI. DL lacked the post 9/11 confidence with the CAI airport.

Like horus said it was about security not profitablity

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
Thanks a lot! Sounds like Y class would be like some of the C class in american carriers. Quite sad actually. But I will deffinatly put your wisdom to use.

It’s more like the premium economy in many airlines we have here in the us

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 13):
Lufthansa sends double daily heavies into CAI and I know for a fact many of the people flying into CAI are from the US... many from IAH so CO could possibly do it too

That’s definitely right; I flew LH couple of times on this route and the lots of people were having connection flights to US

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 14):
I think you'll see DL back in CAI in 2007. Also, I think DXB will also be back on the DL route map.

I think the same

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 20):
I for one would love to see CAI being opened to US carriers and the one I think will open the market up is AA.

Although i would love to see the silver metal on CAI but i don't think AA plans to go there soon.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:16 pm

Thanks a lot CaptinTUT! It is greatly appreciated! I will have to look into flying this airline to CAI. My friend just flew to CAI out of TLV. She said it was a plesent flight.

Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
You mean connecting passengers?

It could be connecting. California is so diverse that any market would do well here.

On a similar note...does any aircraft have the range to go SFO-CAI or LAX-CAI? Can the 787 make it?
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
Absolutely. The likes of LH and BA have a big chunk of the US-Egypt market. I guess the IAD-CAI market would heavily rely on passengers connecting connecting through IAD because I can't see a substantial O&D market there.

I don't know about the Cairo end, but the DC area has a substantially large Middle Eastern/North African (and even Indian/Pakistani/SE Asian) population. Mostly tied to government work, but also to businesses, such as software development
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:24 pm

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 26):
Quoting Horus (Reply 16):
Absolutely. The likes of LH and BA have a big chunk of the US-Egypt market. I guess the IAD-CAI market would heavily rely on passengers connecting connecting through IAD because I can't see a substantial O&D market there.

I don't know about the Cairo end, but the DC area has a substantially large Middle Eastern/North African (and even Indian/Pakistani/SE Asian) population. Mostly tied to government work, but also to businesses, such as software development

Doesnt Saudi Arabian Airlines fly into IAD? Do they get good yeilds off of this market? Wouldnt it be easyer to fly with them and then to CAI or final destination in the middle east instead of flying BA or LH?
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 24):

As far of my knowledge they don't (horus can pack me up here) but I Guarantee that if a us airline wanna fly that route it wouldn't be a problem with Egyptian Gov. at all

Not 100% sure of the current agreement but as I said earlier...

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
IIRC the current agreement allows upto a daily service by a US carrier but I can see the Egyptian authorities happily rectify that if US carriers applied for more.



Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 24):
Although i would love to see the silver metal on CAI but i don't think AA plans to go there soon.

Agree.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 24):
you reminded me when MS used to FLY LAX-JFK-CAI

Ah yes...the LAX service.

According to the Egyptair timetables I have, the route was launched on the 1st June 1992 with the following schedule:

CAI-LAX MS989 -2---6- 01:30/11:00 FCY B763 1 JFK
LAX-JFK MS990 -2---6- 13:00/16:30+1 FCY B763 1 JFK

It was operated as a summer only service until Winter 1994 when a weekly winter flight was added.

In 2002 the flights became 2x weekly year round and were terminated post 9/11.

Do I see MS returning to LAX? Unfortunately not.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 25):
On a similar note...does any aircraft have the range to go SFO-CAI or LAX-CAI? Can the 787 make it?

LY are launching TLV-LAX nonstop flights this summer with B772ERs, so I can't see why MS couldn't do the same with their B777s considering the distance is very similar. But as I said I highly doubt MS will serve LAX, let a lone a non-stop service.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 26):
I don't know about the Cairo end, but the DC area has a substantially large Middle Eastern/North African (and even Indian/Pakistani/SE Asian) population. Mostly tied to government work, but also to businesses, such as software development

Well if MS joins Star Alliance and then UA launch IAD-CAI then they can reach an agreement by which UA passengers would connect onto MS's Middle Eastern/Asian/East African flights to reach their final destination. Could work out very well. Off course this is all hypothetical as I really can't judge the viability of such a market.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 27):
Doesnt Saudi Arabian Airlines fly into IAD?

They have 3x weekly B744 flights on the RUH-JED-JFK-IAD route (2x weekly B777 in the winter).

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 27):
Do they get good yeilds off of this market?

I really couldn't answer that questions. Forum member 'Hijazzey' might know.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 27):
Wouldnt it be easyer to fly with them and then to CAI or final destination in the middle east instead of flying BA or LH?

It depends on prices offered, convenient connection times, onboard service (SV is a dry airline) and the possible need for transit visas in KSA.


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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 24):
Since I do fly to CAI a lot I tried different airlines, mostly Europeans besides of course flying MS, if you give me the choice I will take MS over any others.
MS serve this route with their B772 amazing aircraft, this aircraft have 3 classes F, C and Y I flew the 3 classes, although I prefer to be in the C "business Class" (horus class) but their Y (Economy Class) is excellent, legroom is more than some of the other airlines I flew, the food is really good (they have a choice of Fish-chicken or beef) variety of drinks ( you can drink as much as you can) Cabin crew are really so friendly, you can talk to them you can stand in the Galley for a few Minutes ( not like in the us ), overall they have a good service that you would like to try, I will be posting a TR for my latest JFK-CAI on MS as soon as I have some time to write it down.



Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 25):
Thanks a lot CaptinTUT! It is greatly appreciated! I will have to look into flying this airline to CAI. My friend just flew to CAI out of TLV. She said it was a plesent flight.

I have flown this route ( JFK-CAI-JFK ) back in 1999 on the then brand new B777 . Let me tell you that it was an amazing experience in Y class . Take off and arrival on time on both legs . Excellent leg room compared to other Airlines . And as Captin TuT said , excellent food service , they would serve drinks as soon as the seat belt sign is off followed by a delicious and filling dinner then a nice breakfast . Drinks are available at all times and the beauty of Egyptair is that they serve ( exotic ) drinks like Mango and Guava juices along with the ( regular ) drinks like pops , apple and orange .
Needless to talk about the awesome T7   .
That was back in 1999 , now the good service has even gone better after the the management reshuffle back in 2004 . Go ahead and fly MS , you will not be disappointed   .

A quick reminder that Egyptair baggage allowance is still 2 luggage of 70 pounds each on trans-atlantic flights which is definitely an advantage .

Recently , I was on board of one of their A340's , again was an awesome experience , attentive service , excellent food and a beautiful A/C .

Quoting Horus (Reply 28):
According to the Egyptair timetables I have, the route was launched on the 1st June 1992 with the following schedule:

CAI-LAX MS989 -2---6- 01:30/11:00 FCY B763 1 JFK
LAX-JFK MS990 -2---6- 13:00/16:30+1 FCY B763 1 JFK

It was operated as a summer only service until Winter 1994 when a weekly winter flight was added.

In 2002 the flights became 2x weekly year round and were terminated post 9/11.

Hummmm, interesting , so they may do the same thing with YUL ...I hope .

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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 29):

A quick reminder that Egyptair baggage allowance is still 2 luggage of 70 pounds each on trans-atlantic flights which is definitely an advantage .

Out of LHR the allowance is 40kg(!) compared to the industry standard of 20-24kg.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 29):
Hummmm, interesting , so they may do the same thing with YUL ...I hope .

I remember that option was discussed here a few months back. CAI-YUL-LAX may satisfy the O&D market between Cairo and California but whether transfer passengers will want to use it may be questionable if for example they want to make an onward connection on MS's CAI-BEY service at the other end. It would all depend on pricing, flight schedule, frequency, transit time and onboard service.

What 5 long haul destinations do you think MS should launch in the next 2 years that could sustain a year round profitable service with decent frequency? For me, I'd like to see these new destinations came online in the following order; PVG, KUL, SYD(via KUL), YYZ (off course) and HKG.


p.s.

Quoting Horus (Reply 28):
In 2002 the flights became 2x weekly year round and were terminated post 9/11.

That should be 2000



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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:19 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
YYZ (off course)

 wink 

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
What 5 long haul destinations do you think MS should launch in the next 2 years

I would like to see them re-opening the lost routes first ( SYD ) via either KUL or SIN . When i was in Cairo few years ago , i used to wake up early and go to the Airport to spot the A340 arriving from SYD via SIN at 5:00 AM  Smile .

Then definitely shanghai and Hong Kong .
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 4):
AA took over TWA flights maintaining a 6x weekly JFK-CAI-RUH-CAI-JFK B763 service.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think AA took this route over at all. I was under the impression that this route was drop just after the merger. I don't think AA metal ever went to Cario.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 32):
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think AA took this route over at all. I was under the impression that this route was drop just after the merger. I don't think AA metal ever went to Cario.

AA did take over TWA's service. Until this point TWA's Middle Eastern destinations were CAI, RUH and TLV. The latter was terminated but CAI, as well as the RUH extension, remained. The service was terminated on 20OCT01. I'm sure a search of AA's old timetables will confirm this for you.

And no AA metal visited CAI, but TWA's B763s continued to operate the route. i.e. It was an AA flight operated by a B763 still in it's predecessor's (TWA) livery.

BTW here is a photo taken in June 2001 of a TWA B763 in CAI.

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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 31):
I would like to see them re-opening the lost routes first ( SYD ) via either KUL or SIN .

Then definitely shanghai and Hong Kong .

Great minds think alike  Wink


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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
AA did take over TWA's service. Until this point TWA's Middle Eastern destinations were CAI, RUH and TLV. The latter was terminated but CAI, as well as the RUH extension, remained. The service was terminated on 20OCT01. I'm sure a search of AA's old timetables will confirm this for you.

If I remember my history, these flights were still TWA flights, Operated with TWA equipment, under TWA flight numbers as the date Oct 10the was only a few months after the airline was bought, but not at a time of full intergration with AA. These flight probably had the interme AA/TW flight numbers, while TWA was an LLC (company). But Oct. 2001, I think,is when all operations in T5 at JFK stopped.

BTW, the pic in June 2001 would of been TWA LLC, an american airlines company  Smile
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:20 pm

Well I think that a lot of cities would not mind having CAI service. For me, I think the show "Amazing Race" has peaked a lot of interest in the Egypt region. The show Amazing Race has done a lot for travel too I believe. I just hear a lot of international flights being bigger loads from the USA. The show is what re-peaked my interest to go to CAI besides my religeous studies.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would love to fly this route. SFO-JFK-CAI. I have wanted to go to CAI for so long now. This would put my dreams into action.

Why not go through Europe, as you can do right now?

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 12):
All of my miles are with US though. I use those on my domestic flights as I am not the biggest fan of US international but i dont hate it as well.

If you have US miles, why not use LH to fly SFO-FRA-CAI?
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
Great minds think alike

Cheers...  Smile
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Horus (Reply 28):
LY are launching TLV-LAX nonstop flights this summer with B772ERs, so I can't see why MS couldn't do the same with their B777s considering the distance is very similar. But as I said I highly doubt MS will serve LAX, let a lone a non-stop service.

Even if they wanted to I dunno if the lower MTOW 777-2000s equipped with the PW4090 as MS have them equipped would allow them to get to LAX from CAI.

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
BTW here is a photo taken in June 2001 of a TWA B763 in CAI.

When I saw this thread, I thought of that photo! Honest!

Quoting Horus (Reply 33):
And no AA metal visited CAI, but TWA's B763s continued to operate the route. i.e. It was an AA flight operated by a B763 still in it's predecessor's (TWA) livery.

Was just going to ask that - you preempted my question  Wink The next one was gonna be are there any photos of AA 767s at CAI.
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 25):
Thanks a lot CaptinTUT! It is greatly appreciated! I will have to look into flying this airline to CAI. My friend just flew to CAI out of TLV. She said it was a plesent flight.

you welcome QXatFAT, All i can say you will enjoy service that we miss here in the states.

Quoting Horus (Reply 28):
Well if MS joins Star Alliance and then UA launch IAD-CAI then they can reach an agreement by which UA passengers would connect onto MS's Middle Eastern/Asian/East African flights to reach their final destination. Could work out very well. Off course this is all hypothetical as I really can't judge the viability of such a market.

If Only Wishes can come trust so quick, that will be really too good to be true.

Quoting Horus (Reply 30):
What 5 long haul destinations do you think MS should launch in the next 2 years that could sustain a year round profitable service with decent frequency? For me, I'd like to see these new destinations came online in the following order; PVG, KUL, SYD(via KUL), YYZ (off course) and HKG.



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 31):
I would like to see them re-opening the lost routes first ( SYD ) via either KUL or SIN . When i was in Cairo few years ago , i used to wake up early and go to the Airport to spot the A340 arriving from SYD via SIN at 5:00 AM .

Then definitely shanghai and Hong Kong

Another two Great minds like mine  Wink
I sure would say SYD-HKG-YYZ-PVG will be on top of the list

hey guys, wasn't they suppose to relunch their new website or at least the booking online that it was suppose to start couple of month ago and it keep delayed, does anyone have any idea about wha'ts going on with that?
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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 34):
If I remember my history, these flights were still TWA flights, Operated with TWA equipment, under TWA flight numbers as the date Oct 10the was only a few months after the airline was bought, but not at a time of full intergration with AA. These flight probably had the interme AA/TW flight numbers, while TWA was an LLC (company). But Oct. 2001, I think,is when all operations in T5 at JFK stopped.

Remember the debacle AA made when they cancelled TWA's TLV service with very little notice. Back then AA, thought CAI (and RUH) were worth keeping on after the acquisition.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 35):
Well I think that a lot of cities would not mind having CAI service. For me, I think the show "Amazing Race" has peaked a lot of interest in the Egypt region. The show Amazing Race has done a lot for travel too I believe. I just hear a lot of international flights being bigger loads from the USA. The show is what re-peaked my interest to go to CAI besides my religeous studies.

I guess I don't need to convince you to visit Egypt then. I mean you've got it all there; bustling cities, (ancient) history, culture, deserts, mountains, sea, sand, coral reef and great people, etc.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Why not go through Europe, as you can do right now?

That's what the majority of pax ex-California do. BA and LH do very well in this market.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 37):
Cheers... Smile

I suppose we have MS's best interest at heart.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 38):

Even if they wanted to I dunno if the lower MTOW 777-2000s equipped with the PW4090 as MS have them equipped would allow them to get to LAX from CAI.

Egyptair B777's are the 298 tonne versions fitted with PW4090 (as you said) producing 93,250lb of thrust with a range of 14,316 km (7,730 nm). CAI-LAX is 12230 km (6604nm), so theoratically it is possible but I seriously doubt the market warrants such a service.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 38):
When I saw this thread, I thought of that photo! Honest!

The only photo of a US airline in CAI...

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 38):
Was just going to ask that - you preempted my question Wink The next one was gonna be are there any photos of AA 767s at CAI.

A DL MD-11 would of looked great. Do you think if I contact DL they might have some photos from the inaugural flight?



Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 39):
If Only Wishes can come trust so quick, that will be really too good to be true.

True, and it would work out pretty well IMO.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 39):
Another two Great minds like mine Wink
I sure would say SYD-HKG-YYZ-PVG will be on top of the list

Welcome to the 'club'. In all honesty as much as I'd like to see these new destinations if MS management feel that they won't be profitable then that's fine. Destinations shouldn't be operated for prestige but for business reasons. They should target markets where business and tourist demand can sustain a high yielding operation.

I also don't think long haul destinations should be served with anything less than 3x weekly flights. Frequency is key in this market.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 39):
hey guys, wasn't they suppose to relunch their new website or at least the booking online that it was suppose to start couple of month ago and it keep delayed, does anyone have any idea about wha'ts going on with that?

According to this month's inflight magazine they should offer online booking from Nov06, which should coincide with an updated website. But remember their new German site Egyptair's German Website (by Horus Apr 19 2006 in Civil Aviation)


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RE: US Airlines And Cairo

Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 40):
A DL MD-11 would of looked great. Do you think if I contact DL they might have some photos from the inaugural flight?

I woudl hope that at least the media division would have enough sentimentality to keep such a thing. Worth a try!
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