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AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:28 am

I thought a thread had been started about the rumor mill with new destinations. But can't seem to find one, must be another website.

Anyway besides the obvious current rumor...AS to Hawaii.

I heard a new one today. Mexico City to Belize?

Think it will happen? Can it happen? Anybody else heard this one?
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting ASLCSA (Thread starter):
Mexico City to Belize?

That's a hell of a rumor. LAX-Belize would be far more likely if they ever decide to touch down there.

I've heard that SJO is on their radar, as well as ATL and possibly IAH.

However, I suspect they will be more focused on connecting the dots of their current route map than opening up new cities for the next year or so. Prime example are the recently announced PDX-SJD, PDX-PVR, and SEA-CUN routes.
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting ASLCSA (Thread starter):
I heard a new one today. Mexico City to Belize?

LAX-Belize has been out there as a rumor for a few years.
I think that would be more likely than service from MEX.
The other rumor that comes around is service to SJO.
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:33 am

I heard a rumor that Alaska was looking at wireless internet/high speed internet for their aircraft. Is there any truth to this? I think this would be a great idea, especially since they carry large amounts of business travelers.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:11 am

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 3):
I heard a rumor that Alaska was looking at wireless internet/high speed internet for their aircraft. Is there any truth to this? I think this would be a great idea, especially since they carry large amounts of business travelers.

Hopefully that comes with in-seat powerports...Although the powerports would be a nice upgrade regardless of Wireless Internet....
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:40 am

SoCal: That is correct. Alaska has been working on this for a little time now. But Rydawg, I do not know if this will come with the seat powerports. Very little has been released on what has been looked into at this time. Let you know if anything is heard.

With regards to new routes, all of the above are rumored and AS is looking into more city's on a year round basis. Not just the seasonal stuff just announced. More CUN, SJO, BZE,ATL, IAH...all being rumored though.

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 3):
I heard a rumor that Alaska was looking at wireless internet/high speed internet for their aircraft. Is there any truth to this? I think this would be a great idea, especially since they carry large amounts of business travelers.

I wouldn't be surprised, considering that two of their key cities (Seattle and Portland) are significant high-tech centers and have strong internet usage. If AS offered this, I'd certainly fly them...
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting Chugach (Reply 1):
I've heard that SJO is on their radar, as well as ATL and possibly IAH.

The possiblity of an AS SEA-ATL flight may have been sideswiped by FL's entry on the route even though it is seasonal (I think it may have been a pre-emptive strike by FL.). Could a PDX-ATL and possibly a seasonal ANC-ATL flight (although that's a bit of a stretch for a 737) be out of the realm of possibilty?

While on the subject of the AS rumor mill, any new merger rumors? It seems as though some folks have all but annointed AS as the next major airline to be picked up in a merger deal.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting ASLCSA (Thread starter):

Anyway besides the obvious current rumor...AS to Hawaii.

To put this one to bed for the time being....
http://www.alaskamec.org/blogs/2006/05/news-and-other-hot-rumors.html

A quote:
"Speaking of training, many of you have already attended overwater raft training and I have been hearing positive response. I did just get word that there will be NO flying to Hawaii this year. Hopefully the ETOPS qualification can take place by year�s end and we�ll be saying Aloha!!"

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:07 am

Not to flame anyone but why do we have to start a rumor mill? Oh by the way I heard AS is going to start daily service from SEA-MCI using 747-400's they leased from SQ, word is every hour on the hour!  bigthumbsup 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting ASLCSA (Thread starter):
Anyway besides the obvious current rumor...AS to Hawaii.

I really cannot understand why Alaska would have any interest in entering the very competitve Mainland-Hawaii routes.....why bother? There must be more money to be made on other resort or business destinations.

I do expect that Alaska will connect some dots on its network.....nonstops from PDX and SEA to Mexican beach resorts should be a good niche market if capacity levels are kept under control. Also, its just a matter of time until Alaska works its way down Central America....adding flights to SJO, Belize, and other key destinations, either with nonstops from LAX or as tag-on services on Mexican flights.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7):
While on the subject of the AS rumor mill, any new merger rumors? It seems as though some folks have all but annointed AS as the next major airline to be picked up in a merger deal.

Although many think that AS will merge with another carrier, I think that its more and more unlikely to happen. AS is very independent minded, they are a growing airline that has certainly outgrown the "Alaska" name (Pacific Airways would be more appropriate at this point in time), and continue to bulk up with new aircraft on order and continued expansion with Horizon. Its unlikely that any other US airline could afford to acquire AS, and its just as unlikely that AS would willingly enter into a merger with another carrier.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:33 am

Quoting DC10Widebody (Reply 9):
Not to flame anyone but why do we have to start a rumor mill?

The rumor mill is a past time at every airline. Gives you something to talk about in the breakroom, on the employee bus, while sitting in the pillbox, or in the bin. Hey it beats defacing the insides of the bin......
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
But Rydawg, I do not know if this will come with the seat powerports. Very little has been released on what has been looked into at this time. Let you know if anything is heard.

Thanks, just don't know what good Wireless Internet is on a 3-6 hour flight when the average battery would die short of that...I know several AA Executive Platinum members who are starting to prefer AS from SEA-DFW or DFW-ANC (thru SEA), but are itching for a powerport to stay productive for the listed 9 hour trek north (including ground and flight times).

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:25 am

Well it would make sense on the Hawaii route if they put in the wirless internet. I am sure that a lot of poeple would then chose them to travel. Expecially college age people seeing that we love to be on the internet 24-7  Wink

I also do not see AS merging with anyone at this time. They are growing rapidly, buisness is thriving, QX is doing AMAZING! Why give it all up? All the aircraft that QX is getting and the new 737's for AS, I am not thinking about a merger at all.
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting Socalatc (Reply 3):
I heard a rumor that Alaska was looking at wireless internet/high speed internet for their aircraft. Is there any truth to this? I think this would be a great idea, especially since they carry large amounts of business travelers.

This is a fact, not a rumor. Quoting from Alaskasworld:

Internet on board
Q. Is Alaska looking at the possibility of Internet service onboard?

A. The company is actively researching technology to deliver broadband connectivity to Alaska Airlines aircraft that would allow customers to access the Internet on their own devices across our entire network. Alaska is working to develop a system to test -- and hopefully deploy -- in 2007. (May 22, 2006)


Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
they are a growing airline that has certainly outgrown the "Alaska" name (Pacific Airways would be more appropriate at this point in time

Or maybe JET AMERICA !!




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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:03 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Alaska would have any interest in entering the very competitve Mainland-Hawaii routes

Because there boatloads of money to be made there. Even the cheapest west coast-HNL fares pull 7-8 cents a mile -- or about twice what the cheapest fares typically do.

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:07 am

I agree, I don't see any mergers on the horizon in the future. Alaska Air Group as a whole is doing pretty good. The company is making money on both sides, ontime preformance is getting better, it looks like a good summer is coming our way. Hopefully it stays like this!  Smile
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
The rumor mill is a past time at every airline. Gives you something to talk about in the breakroom, on the employee bus, while sitting in the pillbox, or in the bin. Hey it beats defacing the insides of the bin......

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Pacific Airways would be more appropriate at this point in time

I remember reading something many years ago that Alaska was entertaining the idea of changing its name to Gold Coast Airlines. I was living in Portland at the time...so that would have been about 1978.......I think?  Yeah sure

About Portland...it is the fastest growing NON-SunBelt city in the nation.
After years of being in the slow lane, Portland is coming alive and airline service will no doubt reflect the added activity.
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
I really cannot understand why Alaska would have any interest in entering the very competitve Mainland-Hawaii routes.....why bother?

As far as ANC to Hawaii: the only service non-stop here to HNL/OGG is either a NW753 or an HA767 . . . the HA flights are charters and are excellent but only twice a week. And the 150,000 or so Alaskans that haul ass to Hawaii several times a year, especially in the winter, would surely support the service. Aside from Mexico, Hawaii is our favorite get-outta-town spot. I have never flown to Hawaii non-stop from ANC where the load wasn't 100%. I have often tried to book the Hawaiian Vacations charter and it's sold out - months in advance.

It'd be a great market for AS . . . one I think they should have entered a long time ago.

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:26 pm

Quoting Chugach (Reply 1):
I've heard that SJO is on their radar, as well as ATL and possibly IAH.

I've heard of the same rumour about SJO as well, but I recall in that same rumour that AS wants to get overwater equipment on their 737s before they start that route, so they can fly a more direct route to SJO. I reckon, LAX-SJO or SFO-SJO would be the likely routes if SJO was ever to become part of the AS route network. SEA-SJO is probably too long, even for their 737s.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 7):
Could a PDX-ATL and possibly a seasonal ANC-ATL flight (although that's a bit of a stretch for a 737) be out of the realm of possibilty?

Better chance of seeing ANC-Florida than you'd ever see ATL-ANC. That's a great way to fly a plane empty. None the less, the 737s can't make it from Anchorage to the East Coast, IIRC. Maybe Newark, but definitley not Georgia or Florida.
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
Although many think that AS will merge with another carrier, I think that its more and more unlikely to happen. AS is very independent minded, they are a growing airline that has certainly outgrown the "Alaska" name (Pacific Airways would be more appropriate at this point in time),

A number of years ago they looked at changing the eskimo logo to a mountain design. The instant uproar over the heritage of the eskimo stopped that in its tracks. Kind of makes a name change unlikely. BTW, there was a Pacific Airlines on the west coast long long long long ago. They flew F-27's and 727-100's, back in the day when you could fly a 727-100 from Sacramento to SFO, etc.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:19 pm

Hello all

Quoting ASLCSA (Thread starter):
AS Rumor Mill

Maybe they are going to outsource their Pilots and FA.

 stirthepot   duck 

Cheers

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
None the less, the 737s can't make it from Anchorage to the East Coast, IIRC. Maybe Newark, but definitley not Georgia or Florida.

ANC-ATL 5499 KM
ANC-EWR 5423 KM
ANC-MIA 6444 KM

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:28 am

Didn't AS use to serve IAH via a tag on from DFW? I could have sworn I used to see 727s from AS at IAH when I was growing up...
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 23):
Hello all

Quoting ASLCSA (Thread starter):
AS Rumor Mill

Maybe they are going to outsource their Pilots and FA.

stirthepot duck

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
It'd be a great market for AS . . . one I think they should have entered a long time ago.

Oh, of course. Anything to strengthen Alaska's monopolistic stranglehold on ANC while they use intra-Alaska revenue to subsidize low-fare competition on the West Coast. Anything to keep Alaskans from thinking outside the box and trying a vacation somewhere interesting for a change.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 25):
Didn't AS use to serve IAH via a tag on from DFW? I could have sworn I used to see 727s from AS at IAH when I was growing up...

Wow, ancient history......you are almost too young to remember the AS/AA interchange flights. AS 72S aircraft would fly what was then known as the Pipeline Express IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI......the Alaska 72S would operate the AA flight connecting SEA and IAH via DFW with an AA crew (I believe). This was how the airlines offered one plane/direct service on the route.
 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
they are a growing airline that has certainly outgrown the "Alaska" name

While Continental is truly continental, and American flies to the Americas, Delta is no longer confined to the Mississippi delta, Southwest and Northwest fly to all coordinates, and Frontier flies to some decidedly cosmopolitan burgs. I like some continuity and tradition in a name: keep Alaska.

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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 28):
Wow, ancient history......you are almost too young to remember the AS/AA interchange flights. AS 72S aircraft would fly what was then known as the Pipeline Express IAH-DFW-SEA-ANC-FAI......the Alaska 72S would operate the AA flight connecting SEA and IAH via DFW with an AA crew (I believe). This was how the airlines offered one plane/direct service on the route.

I use to see the eskimo 727-200 tail at Hobby as well back in the day. Hopefully they'll start IAH/HOU-SEA service in the short term. More than likely they'll serve IAH since they have some sort of codeshare with CO.
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:36 pm

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 27):
Oh, of course. Anything to strengthen Alaska's monopolistic stranglehold on ANC while they use intra-Alaska revenue to subsidize low-fare competition on the West Coast. Anything to keep Alaskans from thinking outside the box and trying a vacation somewhere interesting for a change.

I appreciate your sentiment regarding the stranglehold AS has on ANC - and the rest of Alaska . . . no question about that.

Since you're a nOOb here - Welcome Aboard A-Net by the by - allow me to refer you to some of my earlier posts where I have said over and over and over how much we Alaskans subsidize the cheap fares AS presents on the West Coast . . . wondering why it's a $500-800 rt ANC-BRW or OME or OTZ when I can go from SEA to SAN for $150 on AS . . .

You're preaching to the choir here. And you (and I) better  duck  before my friend EA CO AS pops into this thread . . . and smacks us both.

As for the comments regarding Hawaii . . . well, the bottom line is: Alaskans LOVE Hawaii, no changing that. I don't know how long you've lived up here, but I can tell you this - check the Hawaiian Vacations charters when they leave; check the NW753 when it leaves - see what the load factors are . . . . and then wonder to yourself, "Self!!! Why hasn't AS jumped on that market!!!!".

It has nothing - absolfrackinlutely nothing - to do with Alaskans thinking outside the box or going somewhere else. If Alaskans want to go to Hawaii, they're damn sure going to Hawaii, and if not on AS then someone will get them there. AS will go and should go where the business is, and if that's Hawaii, then good for them!

Certainly AS is not going to look at ANC-HNL and say "gee we could fill a 737G every single day on that route". "Well, screw it, we want to make ForeverUnited and his fellow travel agents happy, so we're going to offer flights from ANC-XYZ instead so Alaskans can expand their horizons.  sarcastic  Of course, Alaskans HATE XYZ, but we're going there anyway, screw 'em and screw Hawaii" . . . . . with empty airplanes they will.

Reality check there ForeverUnited.

I won't fly AS to Hawaii if they do pick up the route, I'm sticking with the HA Chartered 767!  biggrin 
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RE: AS Rumor Mill

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:34 pm

Quoting HarrisAir (Reply 14):
Internet on board
Q. Is Alaska looking at the possibility of Internet service onboard?

A. The company is actively researching technology to deliver broadband connectivity to Alaska Airlines aircraft that would allow customers to access the Internet on their own devices across our entire network. Alaska is working to develop a system to test -- and hopefully deploy -- in 2007. (May 22, 2006)

Here you go:
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