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Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:49 am

I was reading a few details about what they are planning but there was only a few.

I was wondering whether anyone knew what was planned for when the B767-300's are refurbished.

Is the whole of the forward cabin going to be used as premier now?
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:27 am

From what I can gather, the long-term plans are

- 5 New B787's on order to operate long-haul routes from LGW, MAN, BHX, CWL, and DSF
- Scrapping all B757-200's
- B762s B763s and B737s to operate all short haul routes

Not TOO sure about next year though!
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:16 am

How many 757s do they have at present? Will they have enough aircraft to cover the removal of all of them?
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:10 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
How many 757s do they have at present? Will they have enough aircraft to cover the removal of all of them?

That's what I thought! But apparently it would seem so... these plans obviously won't come totally into effect all at once, so are more likely to happen over a period of years once they get more B737s under their wings, and get the B787's delivered too!

I'm still waiting for an official confirmation from Thomsonfly before I 100% believe this, but I also have no reason to doubt my source.

Guess only time will tell...
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 2):
Scrapping all B757-200's

This cant be true. I hope it isn't BY 752'S are good airplanes with a lot more flying hours in them. I fly them to Turin every february and the pax load is perfect. 738'S AREN'T BIG ENOUGH! Most of them are fairly new as well.
Good news about 787's though.  Sad
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:05 pm

Thanks for that information anyway even if the B757 are going this is bad news as they are very good aicraft for the sort of flights TOM operate.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 1):
From what I can gather, the long-term plans are

- 5 New B787's on order to operate long-haul routes from LGW, MAN, BHX, CWL, and DSF
- Scrapping all B757-200's
- B762s B763s and B737s to operate all short haul routes

So you're saying that 5 B787's are going to replace 18 B757-200's, baring in mind that the B757 is the ideal aircraft where a B767 is too big and a B737 is too small? They'd have to get about another 20 B737-300's to match capacity if 18 B752's were to get the chop and 5 B787's were brought in, and i don't think Thomsonfly have any plans of cutting down ops any time soon.

Anyhow, some of those B757's are reasonably new, with the last ones delivered in just 1999.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 3):
I'm still waiting for an official confirmation from Thomsonfly before I 100% believe this, but I also have no reason to doubt my source.

Unless you tell us your source, we have every reason to doubt it.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:47 am

It has been speculated TOM will order B787's and B737-900ER as art of a bulk order as part of the TUI group.
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:13 am

My source is a cabin crew member who works long-haul flights for the company, who's based at BHX.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6):
So you're saying that 5 B787's are going to replace 18 B757-200's

No, I'm saying that their B767 fleet are going to cover the short-haul flights, the B787's are going to cover their long-haul flights!

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6):
and i don't think Thomsonfly have any plans of cutting down ops any time soon.

see below:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 3):
these plans obviously won't come totally into effect all at once, so are more likely to happen over a period of years once they get more B737s under their wings
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 9):
No, I'm saying that their B767 fleet are going to cover the short-haul flights, the B787's are going to cover their long-haul flights!

Regardless of what is used where, you're saying that 18 aircraft are coming out and 5 are going back in. What happens with the 767's is irrelevant (seeing as most their B767's operate only short haul anyway). Where the 5 B787's would probably cover about 8 B757's in terms of seat numbers, you'd need a further 15+ B737-300's to equal capacity, and like i said, TOM have greatly increased their capacity over the past few years, integrating the low-cost airline into the charter airline, i don't think they're going to want to scale down, and i certainly can't see them getting a further 15 B737-300s.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:47 am

hey everybody...

TOM's future fleet is no secret as we were all told on our yearly conferences of what the CURRENT plans are for the fleet.

10 787/350..probably 787
18 757
25 737(800/900)

Only the 737(300/500) and the 767(200/300) are to go in the near future.

As for the original question, here's what I know to be happening from Feb 2007...

New seating in Premium, dark navy leather with platinum stitching and a grey frame, 9" seat back tv featuring AVOD and touch screen controls.

New seating in economy, dark navy leather, 7" seat back tv, not AVOD but option to upgrade to AVOD, touch screen controls.

All entertainment to be free with free headsets.

The plan was to remove a few rows of seats to increase pitch. Unless the oil price reduces, this may not happen.

Inflight service to be completely revamped, details soon.

Premium cabin MAY extend to doors 2, can't see it happening myself.

Regards
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting BALboy (Reply 11):
As for the original question, here's what I know to be happening from Feb 2007...

New seating in Premium, dark navy leather with platinum stitching and a grey frame, 9" seat back tv featuring AVOD and touch screen controls.

New seating in economy, dark navy leather, 7" seat back tv, not AVOD but option to upgrade to AVOD, touch screen controls.

All entertainment to be free with free headsets.

The plan was to remove a few rows of seats to increase pitch. Unless the oil price reduces, this may not happen.

Inflight service to be completely revamped, details soon.

Premium cabin MAY extend to doors 2, can't see it happening myself.

Regards

Thank you very much just the information i was after.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:24 am

I think they may be after the cruise business in the winter, there have been some grumbles from P and O and Fred Olsen regarding the comfort and service on the charters operated by Brit(sorry )Thomsonfly. Also they have to compete with first choice that have 33"in Y and 38" in Premium with reduced seat capacity and it is proving a winner with the passengers.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 13):
there have been some grumbles from P and O and Fred Olsen regarding the comfort and service on the charters operated by Brit(sorry )Thomsonfly. Also they have to

Ive flown Thomson several times and find the leg room and seats very comfotable a lot better than FR
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:33 am

Scrapping BY 757's? I doubt it, some of them are not that old 6 years old? some? not to sure...

The 757 plays a massive role in TOM's current operation. Just have to wait to see what happens in the future but I hope its not true.
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:04 am

I cant see TOM getting rid of the 757 anytime soon. The 757 is ideally suited to charter traffic, the very reason why BY chose it in the first place. Its as happy doing a short hop tp PMI as it is doing a trip to SFB via BGR. And the flightdeck commonality with the 757/767 means as long as they have the 767 on long/short haul routes, they are unlikely to axe the 757.
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 15):
Scrapping BY 757's? I doubt it, some of them are not that old 6 years old? some? not to sure...

The last B757's to be delivered to BY came in 1999, with the first being delivered in 1992. Compare that with Monarch, who's B757's were some of the first off the production line, and they seem to be going strong, and i believe Monarch have no intention of dumping them in the near future. It will be a good 10-15 years before TOM even consider replacing them.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:00 pm

Will TOM ever add Airbus into the fleet
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 18):
Will TOM ever add Airbus into the fleet

No. They have only ever leased an A320 a few years back, When they was Britannia
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:29 pm

Shame will they buy 738's or lease same for 788
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 20):
Shame will they buy 738's or lease same for 788

Its Logical, Most of the Tui partners use 738 A/C also so they are easy to obtain, There is no point buying Airbus when they have a good deal on leasing or the right amount of A/C in their fleet.
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 19):
They have only ever leased an A320 a few years back, When they was Britannia

And, god, wasn't that a disaster!
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:32 pm

Fair point. Do TUI have any aircraft on order
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 22):
And, god, wasn't that a disaster!

HAh! That paint scheme Did look pretty cool though, The full blue one, not the Eurowhite...

Quoting BA787 (Reply 23):
Fair point. Do TUI have any aircraft on order

Not TUI Direct, TUI is kind of like Star Alliance or Oneworld, but insist of branding all their airlines to TUI such as Thompsons, Hapag Lloyd (Well HapagFly) Corsair Etc, I dont know if they codeshare or not because they mostly operate Charter flights. someone shed some light on this please  Smile

And when it comes to Ordered A/C, there are some talks of Thompson and the 787... that's it
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:48 pm

I believe Hapagfly have some B737-800's on order, if they haven't all been delivered already.

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 24):
Not TUI Direct, TUI is kind of like Star Alliance or Oneworld, but insist of branding all their airlines to TUI such as Thompsons, Hapag Lloyd (Well HapagFly) Corsair Etc, I dont know if they codeshare or not because they mostly operate Charter flights. someone shed some light on this please

There is no TUI hub so there's no point codesharing among each other. All 6(?) TUI airlines are based in different countries and fly to holiday destinations, so theres no feeding into each other involved, so no need to codeshare.

Although on a different note, Hapagfly do codeshare with Air Berlin on many flights.
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 24):
Not TUI Direct, TUI is kind of like Star Alliance or Oneworld, but insist of branding all their airlines to TUI such as Thompsons, Hapag Lloyd (Well HapagFly) Corsair Etc, I dont know if they codeshare or not because they mostly operate Charter flights. someone shed some light on this please

TUI is a company in Germany, the Trading name forn Pressaug. They own all of the TUI airlines and many leisure comopanies such as Thomson and Crystal as well as HLX and TOM. Too many to list. I think T.U.I. Stands for Travel United International and they own TOM whereas oneworld is an alliance of severla airlines  tongue  lol Big grin
 
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RE: Thomsonfly Long Haul From May 07?

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:57 pm

Thomsonfly has a current fleet of 47 aircraft and there still growing.There NOT getting rid of the 757 they have just spent all that money on upgrading the 757.I think the lease for them runs out in 2012.With regard to the long haul aircraft they have 9 767/300 AND 4 767/200 the 200 has just had the cabin upgraded too. The 300 is due for an upgrade in FEB 2007 this will be new dark leather seats with AVOD Panasonic seat back tv 9" in premium and have the ability to start stop and rewind the programme.Ecomony will have 7" screen and they will have the ability to upgrade. The service is getting updated too.
Thomsonfly are in talks with Boeing AND airbus to replace thier 767 with the 787 OR A350.

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