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Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:57 pm

... Otherwise known as Part 5. See, not only do you get a full blast of Irish aviation, you get language lessons as well!

Right, let's just start with Smokeyrosco's last post from Thread IV ...

"Okies, maybe i jumped the gun alittle.... but can you really expect EI to fly to Australia? it has to be the Jewel in any of EI's long haul plans?...

Maybe i should take more influence from your tag line.... say little but say it well."

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I can't see EI flying to Oz on its own, but it may do so as a codeshare, feeding into EK's network or indeed, whichever airline in Asia it chooses to deal with. Now that it's free from Oneworld, it can choose to deal with any airline it chooses - EK, TG, CX, MH or SQ, among others. That said, I'd still prefer CX. That's not just because it's a great airline (in a region not at all short of great airlines), but because HKG's geographical location is perfect.

That expansion is down the road a bit, however; Priority One has to be the US bilateral. This month's Irish Air Letter (a very good - and inexpensive - magazine to which to subscribe) mentions that Ireland may seek approval for an interim Irish/US deal. That's good news, up to a point. However, I had understood that if a revised deal didn't undermine the competitive position of any other country, it should be allowed to go through, so if the EU doesn't grant permission, what then? Is it legal for it to withhold permission, given that this would amount to imposing a competitive disadvantage on us, which would, in itself, be contrary to EU law. I've argued this with people, but I'm still not convinced that an EU agency is permitted to do this. Anyway, hopefully it won't come to this.

Another interesting snippet from Irish Air Letter, is that the DAA has acquired 50 acres of land near DUB, on which it intends to build an "airport city", which could include a terminal. The land is (as I understand it), between what will be the two runways and close to where the McEvaddys want to build their new terminal. Frankly, I think the third terminal should be built privately, rather than by the DAA. If the DAA wants a use for this land, it should build a cargo terminal there - that whole business needs to be rejuvenated, but I'm not sure the DAA has much in terest in cargo.

Well, lots to look forward to then. I sometimes think Dstc47's prediction in the last thread is right; by thread 999, we'll still be talking about the SNN stopover and various other issues which never seem to get resolved, but we'll see!
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:20 pm

Should EI acquire a dozen A319LR's to maintain their shannon route network, and grow middle distance routes ex Dublin? This could free up 330's to grow longhaul ex DUB, and be a lot less capital intensive way to grow if the government doesnt get their IPO through.

A319LR routes
Daily SNN -> JFK, BOS, ORD

Daily DUB -> CAI, TLV, IAD, BWI, PHL, BDL, EWR,

Daily ORK -> JFK

The 330's could then grow to West Coast USA, CPT, DXB, etc.

With the cost of aviation fuel, It seems that ultralong haul flights are becoming more difficult to operate profitably. With EI witnessing the difficulty that BA is having making money in Australia, I don't see this happening. Japan - Europe is another depressed market at the moment. (significant Japan - US capacity has been cut this year also by NW and AA).
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:18 pm

From RTE:

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German bound flight returns to Dublin

03 June 2006 09:13

An Aer Lingus flight has landed safely, after being forced to return to Dublin airport after experiencing technical problems.

The flight left the airport at 7am this morning bound for Frankfurt in Germany, but returned at 7.45am due to problems with its hydraulic systems.

No one was injured in the incident.

One of the runways at the airport has been closed to clean up an oil spill resulting from the incident, but no delays to other flights are expected.

Does anyone know which runway has been closed?
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:50 pm

I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine it was 10/28, so they're probably using 16/34 until that issue is sorted out. Glad it ended safely.

If the govt doesn't get the IPO through (which will largely be because the Dear Leader doesn't want to), then I think the alternative - if they want EI to grow - is to do a deal with a major M/E carrier to buy into it.

With regard to the A319s, I could certainly see some of them coming into service on s/h routes, but not the way you've described; the t/a routes ex-SNN can support a large aircraft like the 330 and I'd rather see the old 333s flying out of there, as well as DUB; the 319s (which would be standard -112 models, not -LRs) would be used to improve frequencies on less flown routes, possibily allowing some routes usually dropped for the summr to be maintained year-round; the 319 would also make it easier to add new European routes.

Apparently, one of the biggest problems at DUB now is lack of parking stands and it is a big issue, particularly with so much construction now taking place. The DAA has already conceded that the new terminal will be too small even before its built (which is not surprising, given that it was shoe-horned into a pretty small space); what they should now be doing is planning the groundwork for the new terminal, but I don't see much evidence of this - largely because the DAA might not be involved - that's going to be a political issue.

The DAA should (or alternatively, should be told to) focus on cargo and make sure that business works more effectively.
 
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
conceded that the new terminal will be too small even before its built

I assume these are the new stands that have opened and in front of what will be Pier D. Something that's really frustrating me about this is they have not added anymore stands, they have converted maybe 5 stands to what is now considered contact stands that before where remote stands but not one stand extra has been added.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:19 pm

I wish to see a bigger partnership with EK. However I would like to see EI flying DUB-SIN/BKK/HKG/NRT/CPT all non-stop with their own metal.

When are we likely to see the first DUB-East Asia route launch?
 
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:51 pm

I don't think EI would be able fly to every big East Coast airport, even with A319LR's. Just BOS, JFK, PHL, and maybe IAD would be my guess. Also A319LR's are typically business class only so you are limiting these routes to high fare business paxs.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Bestwestern (Reply 1):
Should EI acquire a dozen A319LR's to maintain their shannon route network, and grow middle distance routes ex Dublin? This could free up 330's to grow longhaul ex DUB, and be a lot less capital intensive way to grow if the government doesnt get their IPO through.

By the time EI aquires those A319s, wouldn't they already have more A330s? I think flying A319s longhaul would end up costing more money than it is bringing in. As stated above, EI should focus on increasing frequency on their shorthaul routes and expand their longhaul routes by buying more planes. Unfortunately this all requires planes, stands, runways, political cooperation, and most importantly...money.

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Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:18 am

If everyone doesn't mind, I'd like to raise a question about Aer Lingus's longhaul aircraft choice.

With the A350 being redesigned to become the A370, how does this change EI's choice between the A350(A370) and the B787?

I would think that with the A370 having a wider fuselage and better fuel economics than the A350 this would make EI examine the A370 much more closely than the they ever did the A350. The A370 is no longer a warmed-over A330, but instead it is its own aircraft and more of a competitor to the B787.

Opinions???

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Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:14 am

I think EI will really look at the A370 (now my name just looks silly "Shamrock350")
The A370 will be very different to the current A350, it is going to be aimed at the 777-200 and 777-300 market, so is this new aircraft really what EI want?
The rumours about the A350-1000 are still around and this is supposed to involve having the A350-800/900 get a wider fuselage and the A350-1000 aimed at the 777 market. We will have to wait until the end of July to see what Airbus come up with and that' when things will get interesting. Big grin
 
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Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:51 am

On A different matter. It seems that Eirjet is going through a really rough time at the moment. Rumour has it that thye are on a cash only agreement with the re-fuelling companies at DUB, and that the IAA is investigating their crew hours at the moment.

Also seems that their OTP for the past two weeks hasn't been good at all!

Not looking too rosey for their future at the mo!
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):



Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):
I would think that with the A370 having a wider fuselage and better fuel economics than the A350 this would make EI examine the A370 much more closely than the they ever did the A350. The A370 is no longer a warmed-over A330, but instead it is its own aircraft and more of a competitor to the B787.

At the moment the A370 is just smoke and mirrors,as regards it being a better aircraft than the 787,well,we just have to take Airbus's word for it,but the crystal ball that they use to (forecast or project future aircraft models and performances),seems to be cracked or gone opaque and the end up with a false reading
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:57 am

No one minds at all, BTriple7, it's something a lot of us interested in Irish aviation are wondering about.

Personally, I think the 787 has it in the bag. The A350/370 (here's an idea, Airbus: design the right airplane, THEN worry about the name!) still needs to be defined and given the debacle with the A350, their credibility can't be great. At the end of the day, Aer Lingus - like other airlines - have a lot riding on the choice they make and they simply can't afford an aircraft that can't do the job it wants them to do. The revised A350/370 won't be available until 2012-13, which is well down the road from when EI needs it. One of the problems for Airbus seems to be that they don't know what market their after: is it the 787 (smaller long haul widebody) or 777 (larger l/h w/b) - but that is Airbus's problem, not EI's.

EI's problem is now that the delivery schedule is slipping quite a bit and the airline needs to commit to the 787 and get some delivery schedules agreed, if possible before they sign contracts. Boeing must know their situation and that they're just waiting to be privatised, so it can't be a massive risk to them to reserve some delivery slots; after all, looking at EI's growth in Europe, their long haul growth ambitions and the potential they'll have under Open Skies, Boeing could do very well out of EI ...
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
The revised A350/370 won't be available until 2012-13, which is well down the road from when EI needs it.

Could Airbus possibly give EI a reduced price on some A330s to tide them over till then.

How much is Airbus willing to bend in order to keep their business? How much is Boeing willing to bend in order to get their business? I somehow have a feeling that EI will go with the manufacturer who offers the better deal. How much sooner would EI get their 787s than they would their A370s? The 787 and A370 seem fairly closely matched. Actually...can we really even tell which aircraft is better till both planes are actually built and in the air? I think EI could go either way. Maybe EI should buy some A330s and wait till both the A370 and 787 are flying before choosing.

I'm sorry if my post has more questions than answers, but I don't think we can say either one is "in the bag."

Personally, I don't care which aircraft EI chooses to buy. I'm not Dermot Mannion, and I am certainly not about to say which one I think is better for the airline because...well...I don't know.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
here's an idea, Airbus: design the right airplane, THEN worry about the name!
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One of the problems for Airbus seems to be that they don't know what market their after: is it the 787 (smaller long haul widebody) or 777 (larger l/h w/b) - but that is Airbus's problem, not EI's.

I agree. Airbus needs to stop mucking around and figure what they're going to do and how they're going to do it.

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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting FCA7E7 (Reply 10):
cash only agreement with the re-fuelling companies at DUB

This is being going around a while, I have no idea if it's true or not. There OTP was very poor during the summer last year so it's no suprise to see it's the same again this year.
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:12 am

Do Aer Lingus still enforce their policy of "no Ipods or electronic equipment" use in flight. I remember about three years ago, this was the case. Not sure if it still is.

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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting IKECVN69 (Reply 15):
Do Aer Lingus still enforce their policy of "no Ipods or electronic equipment" use in flight. I remember about three years ago, this was the case. Not sure if it still is.

Yes they still do
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:40 am

Aer Lingus still have five aircraft on order, three A320's one of which is about to be delivered and two others for next year plus two A330s for next May. Is there any chance that EI will order some more A32X aircraft before they are privatised? I would love to see the A319 in the EI fleet and some more A321's wouldn't hurt.  Smile
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
Now that it's free from Oneworld, it can choose to deal with any airline it chooses

I wish you'd stop promoting that idea.

All the oneworld airlines are welcome to codeshare with any airline they please. QF codeshare with Air France, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, El Al and Alitalia outside of oneworld.

Being in oneworld (which EI still is until next year) does not restrict EI from "dealing with any airline it chooses".

Are we clear?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
The revised A350/370 won't be available until 2012-13, which is well down the road from when EI needs it.

EI will probably obtain more A330s to expand until a 787 or A350/70 can be delivered, which is now looking at the 2010 to 2012 period. It will probably be later as the airline still isn't privatised and can't afford to purchase aircraft in big numbers until this is done.

They're really hamstrung at the moment.
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 18):
All the oneworld airlines are welcome to codeshare with any airline they please. QF codeshare with Air France, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, El Al and Alitalia outside of oneworld.

I always felt because Aer Lingus did not put much into OW, going off and starting a small partnership with another airline always seemed wrong in the eyes of OW. Thats why I feel it's a bit strange that Aer Lingus has now left OW just as looks like it is going to start a relationship of some sort with EK. That's why I am sure EI would be code-sharing all over the place by now.
 
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 18):
QF codeshare with Air France, US Airways, Alaska Airlines, El Al and Alitalia outside of oneworld.

Your talking about Qantas there ( one of the three major players in Oneworld) as distinct from Aer Lingus ( the smallest in the alliance).

Qantas has considerably more "punch" than EI with regard to whom it deals with. BA and AA aren't going to forbid qantas from codesharing/ dealing with carriers outside the Oneworld framework, at the risk of pissing Qantas off, possibly leading to them packing their bags and leaving.

EI means relatively little to the alliance as a whole, apart from the feeder traffic it provides to BA and even smaller feeds to AA, but it does provide something. Meanwhile Onewrold provides nothing to EI. It was never a level playing field. Anyway i'm getting off the point here.

The main players could certainly exert more influence over "small" Aer Lingus than major player qantas. I don't think its unreasonable to assume that EI have been denied the privilege of setting up links/codeshares with carriers outside Oneworld in the past.  Smile

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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting IKECVN69 (Reply 15):
Do Aer Lingus still enforce their policy of "no Ipods or electronic equipment" use in flight. I remember about three years ago, this was the case. Not sure if it still is.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
Yes they still do

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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 19):
Thats why I feel it's a bit strange that Aer Lingus has now left OW just as looks like it is going to start a relationship of some sort with EK.

Aer Lingus are still in oneworld until they announce a date when all ties will end. It does look like there will be a relationship with EK, as there will be with AA. If you go on the Aer Lingus site right now, you can choose cities like San Francisco - and it's a connection with AA.

This wasn't available previously.

Quoting Shamrock330 (Reply 20):
Qantas has considerably more "punch" than EI with regard to whom it deals with.

Sure, QF is a much bigger airline than EI. The only comparable airline to EI in oneworld is AY. Only Finnair tends to operate to more international destinations than EI, with a fairly similarly sized international fleet (numerically speaking).

Quoting Shamrock330 (Reply 20):
The main players could certainly exert more influence over "small" Aer Lingus than major player qantas. I don't think its unreasonable to assume that EI have been denied the privilege of setting up links/codeshares with carriers outside Oneworld in the past.

Neither of us can prove whether you're right or I'm right, can we? We both have no information to back up our points of view and no proof until we find some. We'll agree to disagree  Smile For now...

Quite frankly, I don't believe smaller airlines (EI, AY) have much to offer other airlines by way of codeshares in any realistic terms.
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RE: Irish Aviation - Cuid A Cuig ...

Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 8):
I would think that with the A370 having a wider fuselage and better fuel economics than the A350 this would make EI examine the A370 much more closely than the they ever did the A350. The A370 is no longer a warmed-over A330, but instead it is its own aircraft and more of a competitor to the B787.

I know for a fact that the relatioship between EI and Airbus is currently a very good one. This of course doesn't mean EI will go for the 370 or whatever Airbus finally decide to go with, which I imagine we'll know pretty soon. Nevertheless, I do feel EI will look very closely at Airbus. And with EI's new strategies, and given their huge reent investment in Airbus, I am sure they'd prefer to remain with a single manufacturer despite what some a.netters feel about this. But time will only tell!

Quoting IKECVN69 (Reply 15):
Do Aer Lingus still enforce their policy of "no Ipods or electronic equipment" use in flight. I remember about three years ago, this was the case. Not sure if it still is.

They must only do this on long-haul, I haven't flown EI longhaul in a long time, but fly them on a monthly basis within Europe and the use of electronic equipment has always been allowed as with other airline I know, except of course during taxi, take-off and approach. Even with mobiles, on my last flight last week from DUB to TLS I heard them saying forthe first time the mobile phones must be turned off once the aircraft doors are closed, while in the past the just announced that mobiles could not be used at any stage during the flight during the announcements they make during boadring...

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 17):
I would love to see the A319 in the EI fleet and some more A321's wouldn't hurt.

I totally agree with you Shamrock350. I've been saying for a long time that they need a few 319's for their less dense routes. I often rant about TLS-DUB which apparently for the second winter in a row is been cancelled. My recent flights on EI from TLS-DUB-TLS were all about a 90% load, which yes does drop in winter. Last winter, I decided to drive down to Bordeaux to fly EI instead of taking FR from the much closer Carcassonne airport. The loads were the lower than anything I had ever seen at the same time of the year on TLD-DUB, maybe just thos eparticular two flights? WOn't start my rant again, just annoys methat they dropped TLS in favour of BOD, and have the audacity to announce BOD in winter as a ski destination, when BOD is much further away from the ski resorts in the Pyrenees/Andorra, and the bus from BOD to the ski resorts passes through Toulouse anyway!
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:01 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 5):
wish to see a bigger partnership with EK. However I would like to see EI flying DUB-SIN/BKK/HKG/NRT/CPT all non-stop with their own metal.

When are we likely to see the first DUB-East Asia route launch?

Haven't heard anything on long-haul, but keep an eye on EI news for tomorrow ....

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Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting Eikiwi (Reply 24):
Haven't heard anything on long-haul, but keep an eye on EI news for tomorrow ....

Tomorrow as in Wednesday?

Did anybody see the EI ad from the 80's that was played on rte lastnight? It was fantastic to see it again, really beautiful, a world away from the EI ads of today.
 
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 25):
EI ad from the 80's that was played on rte lastnight

I did, it was fabulous, I miss the 747 in EI colours.
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:14 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 25):
Tomorrow as in Wednesday?

Yep.

Didn't see the ad, I think I just missed it as I was channel surfing at the time, and saw just a still of the EI747 at the end.

Hopefully get to see it somewhere.
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:03 pm

I never get to see the ads in London. I am moving back to Ireland soon when I finish school so I hope to see some more of them. Why was an ad from the 80s shown? I can never find any on the web.
 
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:40 pm

The planned marquee at Dublin Airport has been delayed until the Autumn:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0606/airport.html

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Delay for marquee plans at Dublin Airport

06 June 2006 15:16
The proposed construction of a marquee on top of the multi-storey car park at Dublin Airport has been delayed until at least the autumn.

The Dublin Airport Authority wants to build a temporary waiting facility that would hold more than 1,000 people if passengers were delayed due to unforeseen events such as strikes or bad weather.

It had been hoped the marquee would be ready this month but Fingal County Council says it has not yet received a planning application.

The Dublin Airport Authority has said it would have to look at alternatives to deal with over-crowding if any unforeseen events occur at the airport during the summer.

After the application has been received, the council has up to eight weeks to make a decision and there is a further four-week appeal period, meaning that construction of the marquee is not likely to start until August at the earliest.

Construction of the marquee would entail the loss of around 120 car parking spaces.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:09 am

This tent thing is a farce. They put it up when the airport starts to quieten down. Although I dont want to blame the DAA for the delay until all details are known, as there could have been complications on the side of the design team relating to fire-certs or something like that. It really is the wrong place for it though. It should be built airside like the temp pier. And im saying this as an architect myself. Think of it, when a flight gets delayed, many of the passengers are already gone through security and are in the shoppiong area, or sitting at their gates, it would be so much simpler to just send them to an area that is on that side of check-in already, rather than moving them back through the terminal to the carpark which has a cronic lack of spaces as it is, and then they have to go back into the terminal and presumably through security a second time when the flight finally departs.

Quoting Eikiwi (Reply 27):
Yep.

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 30):
Do you know something I dont?

Well, All I'll say is, Look for the return of an old route, and a couple of new ones. Unfortunately, I can't let anymore go!! You should know by between 9am and 12noon tomorrow though!

I do wish there'd be more long-haul news, but we all know that'll be a while! ..........
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting EI787 (Reply 29):
Construction of the marquee would entail the loss of around 120 car parking spaces.

They have (or at least had) already closed off this area to cars so those spaces are already lost.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 28):
Why was an ad from the 80s shown?

It was on the RTE's version of Test the nation.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Eikiwi (Reply 31):
Well, All I'll say is, Look for the return of an old route, and a couple of new ones. Unfortunately, I can't let anymore go!! You should know by between 9am and 12noon tomorrow though!

I do wish there'd be more long-haul news, but we all know that'll be a while! ..........

Damn you Eikiwi, don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight now waiting for the news. So thr reintroduction of an old route??? And some new ones? Ahhhhhhhh, can't wait to hear whatever this news is tomorrow!
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:08 am

Wow sounds interesting I will be in ICT lessons in the morning so I will keep my eye out for any news.

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 32):
It was on the RTE's version of Test the nation

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:19 am

wow - go EI !!!


Cant wait in anticipation - bet the old route is Copenhagen


Also saw that old EI advert on test the nation last night.I dont know why but I felt an extreme pride in EI, when I saw that advert.

Todays, EI advertising ............................ shocking !!!
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Provance (Reply 35):
shocking !!!

What are the ads like? can't be that bad can they?  Confused
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:24 am

Was that the Gabriel's Oboe ad? I used to love that; I always loved that piece of music and much like the William Tell overture reminds me of the Lone Ranger, it reminds me of EI.

Exciting news; I wonder which former route will be returning; my guess is Stockholm. Good to hear of any expansion though.

As for the DAA; what messers. At the end of the day, the marquee thing isn't the end of the world, BUT unfortunately, it's symbolic of the DAA's failure to plan. We had the debacle about the new terminal a few weeks back; this, incidentally, was the terminal which was supposed to last us a good few years, but the DAA discovered that it was too small within 6 months of announcing it.

It gets worse, because the size of the terminal is only part of the issue:
- There's only one finger pier, which will accommodate about 5 widebody planes, max - and that (as far as I can tell) on only one side;
- Will there be sufficient space, given the proximity of the cargo terminal, to accommodate widebodies at the other side? Doesn't look like it to me; remember, even relatively small widebodies like the 787 or 332 have w/spans of up to 60m and add that to the acft's length and you need quite a lot of space.
- We're told the DAA didn't expect the likely demand, BUT we knew quite a long time ago that Open Skies was in the offing and that there would be expansion to the M/E and Asia, let alone EI's plans for up to 14 widebodies; what part didn't they know?

Frankly, the govt needs to shake the DAA from top to bottom - ideally, bring in respected groups like Schiphol and/or SATS to run competing terminals. More importantly, however, they need to plan for T3, because regardless of any new planning the DAA does now with T2, it will be too small almost before it's built.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:26 am

Hmmmm

Old route
CPH, HEL (old code share), NCL, Rennes in France? There were old code shares like the one to Stuttgart. There are not many more!

New route
SVO, IST, yet more in eastern europe?

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Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 36):

lets just say their not very inspiring like the "your home" adverts.

Todays EI adverts just list the city and a price. Its ually on the yellow background with the dot.com logo very prominently displayed
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 37):
Was that the Gabriel's Oboe ad?

wow - thanks Kaitak

I always wondered what that song was ?
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Provance (Reply 39):
Todays EI adverts just list the city and a price. Its ually on the yellow background with the dot.com logo very prominently displayed

 yuck   yuck  I can see it now!!!! This is what I get in London it's only on the side of buses and in newspapers...
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/Shamy350/03-21-2006045547PM.jpg
It's not bad compared to this...

At least there is no yellow!
 
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Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 41):
This is what I get in London it's only on the side of buses and in newspapers...

that looks half decent compared to our tripe
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 37):
Gabriel's Oboe

I was just listening to that while looking at the old photos of Aer Lingus aircraft and I just felt a great pride in EI. Reminds me of how much I miss home.

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Quoting Provance (Reply 42):
that looks half decent compared to our tripe

Things must be bad! Big grin
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:29 am

Getting back to the Oneworld/ Codeshare topic......

I am currently an AA frequent flyer member and regularly use my miles to get free EI flights from JFK-DUB (I just got two JFK-Dub Business class flights for July 2006 at a total of $107 as opposed to the quoted $6,300.) I still have a number of AA and BA miles and earn AA miles every day with my credit cards.

So what do I do now that EI are leaving Oneworld? Do I trust that EI will have a codeshare still in place for my 2007 flights back to DUB? Will they honor a frequent flyer ticket on AA as a codeshare partner?

Any comments would be appreciated
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 43):
Reminds me of how much I miss home.


Oh, i got the impression you were from Harrow, was it, and that you had relatives in Ireland or something like that.(hence the interest in EI) Are you studying in London?
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:59 am

Anyway, i'm banking on one of the new longhaul routes being SFO. That would be a such a help to me.  crossfingers  Also, i'm praying that United will consider serving Dub to washington or possibly even SFO????

It'll be a great day for Irish aviation when we see all six U.S legacy carriers serving the island on a yearly service.  thumbsup 
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:59 am

Quoting Shamrock330 (Reply 45):
Oh, i got the impression you were from Harrow, was it, and that you had relatives in Ireland or something like that.(hence the interest in EI) Are you studying in London?

I moved to England when I was 9 and we go home as much as we can. I do live in Harrow and im now 16 doing my GCSE's once they are over I will go home for the summer. There will be loads of flying involved! I might even try FR again but other than that I will stick with EIBig grin
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 47):
I might even try FR

NO!! Please don't.  Wink Well i suppose, if you looking for rock bottom fares. That documentary totally turned me off them, plus it doesn't lie well with me thinking of them as Ireland's national carrier.  yuck 
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:23 am

One of their new l/h routes WILL be SFO - I think they've already said as much, but I wouldn't expect that to be announced tomorrow (hope I'm wrong!). It all depends on when the improved US access can be sorted out.

As for new European routes ... I could see Moscow, Helsinki and Istanbul being in the list; perhaps more cities in Germany (Leipzig, for example?) ... basically, look at a map and find the places they don't fly to!

As new EU countries are added next year, you might see routes to places like Bucharest and Sofia. Larnaca also has to be a strong possibility (yes, I know it's already in the EU), since it's popular for people who have second homes there.