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LBA Transatlantic Services

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:10 pm

I live near LBA and i was wondering if any airlines operate to north america. I've seen America 752'S on approach recently. Were they just diverts?
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:56 pm

No there are no services to North America from LBA. As far as I'm aware the only 757's to operate into LBA at the moment are Jet2's, but I may be wrong there.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:58 pm

Must have been a divert. Did there used to be North American Services
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
No there are no services to North America from LBA.

Correct. There is the very occasional Thomsonfly charter with 763's via SNN to BGI, but these tend to be just a couple of flights per year and usually operate in the winter.

In the past, the only regularly served transatlantic destination has been YYZ, originally with Wardair 742's via BHX and later Worldways, Odyssey International, Nationair and Air Transat though the last of these ceased serving LBA-YYZ around 1999.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 1):
As far as I'm aware the only 757's to operate into LBA at the moment are Jet2's,

Thomsonfly also have a based 752 at LBA each summer.

Quoting BA787 (Thread starter):
I've seen America 752'S on approach recently.

This will almost certainly have been the aircraft operating BOS-MAN, which is an AA B757 service.

[Edited 2006-06-03 17:09:54]
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 3):
This will almost certainly have been the aircraft operating BOS-MAN, which is an AA B757 service.

Shame would be nice to have transatlantic services any plans for them why dont BA use LBA
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
why dont BA use LBA

Presumably because, apart from the 1 763 service from MAN - JFK, BA have chosen to centralise all their North American services from LHR / LGW. IIRC they used to also operate across the pond from both BHX and GLA but pulled these services.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:18 am

Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not

No. They used to but pulled out a few years back, I don't know the exact reasons but it probably has something to do with BMI operating out of there too. I don't know too much about it personally but I'm sure someone will.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not

You could also try reading this thread;

Could BA Return to LBA ?
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Shame would be nice to have transatlantic services any plans for them why dont BA use LBA

It would make little sense for BA to operate transatlantic from LBA for many reasons:

1) They are almost exclusively focused on London for long-haul operations. The only transatlantic service they operate outside of London is MAN-JFK.
2) Have an already sizeable operation at nearby MAN which is proving difficult to maintain, with a number of routes being chopping over the past year.
3) No presence at all at LBA.

If BA were going to expand long-haul operations outside of London it would be 100% certain to be at MAN rather than LBA. But don't expect any expansion at MAN either!

A LBA-New York service has been discussed in the recent past, the LBA website last year even asked for people's comments on whether they would use such a service. If so, CO would be the best chance of such a service working, not BA. Why? Because not only can CO attract people wishing to visit New York, but they also have the advantage of drawing people through their hub at EWR for a vast number of onward connections throughout the rest of the US, Canada and beyond.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:31 am

I like CO as well so that would be excellent hope we get 753's if it happens what about AA or Delta
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 6):
Do BA operate regional out of LBA IF not any ideas why not



Quoting LHRjc (Reply 7):
No. They used to but pulled out a few years back, I don't know the exact reasons but it probably has something to do with BMI operating out of there too. I don't know too much about it personally but I'm sure someone will.

BA Regional pulled out of LBA (and CWL) completely in early 2003. This was due to restructuring within BRAL which lead to the withdrawl of the entire J41 fleet (which were then leased to Eastern Airways) which were the aircraft based at LBA, CWL and a used on a few other other routes at that time (such as IOM-BHX). The next smallest aircraft left in the fleet was the Dash 8 which was too large for the BRAL routes which had been using the J41's. If you look at the route map of Eastern Airways, a good number of their routes are ex-BRAL ones.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 10):
I like CO as well so that would be excellent hope we get 753's if it happens what about AA or Delta

The only B757's CO use on transatlantic services are 752's.

AA and DL can't offer the same number of connections at JFK as CO can at EWR. A New York service from LBA would be reliant on a good proportion of passengers connecting to other destinations as it's unlikely there would be a sufficient number of people wishing to just go to New York from the LBA catchment area to warrant such a service.

[Edited 2006-06-03 17:45:16]
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 9):
CO would be the best chance of such a service working

I agree. I think a CO 752 service from LBA to EWR could prove successful. They have done very well with other services from the UK regions to EWR.

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 11):
If you look at the route map of Eastern Airways, a good number of their routes are ex-BRAL ones.

Minus LBA to LGW. Any chance this route will be reinstated by LS or anyone else?

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 11):
the entire J41 fleet (which were then leased to Eastern Airways)

When does the lease run out on these? Will Eastern renew the lease or will we see them going to BA Connect?
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:47 am

I expect Eastern will renew the lease. BA hASno use for these aircraft anymore especially with BACONNECT would be nice to see ba at lba again tho
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 13):
Minus LBA to LGW. Any chance this route will be reinstated by LS or anyone else?

LBA-LGW was actually dropped prior to the BA pull-out at LBA, something like 1998/99. This had been operated by AT4's from the Cityflyer Express side of operations, rather than being part of the J41 operation. I've not heard any rumours of another carrier planning to reintroduce LBA-LGW anytime soon.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 13):
When does the lease run out on these? Will Eastern renew the lease or will we see them going to BA Connect?

These won't be re-introduced by BA Connect, even if Eastern no longer wanted them. BA is simplfying it's fleet and cutting costs, it doesn't want the J41's back. I'm sure that Eastern had plans to extend the lease period, if this hasn't already been completed.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 15):
I've not heard any rumours of another carrier planning to reintroduce LBA-LGW anytime soon.

There has been talk of Jet 2 flying the route, but that is probably just wishful thinking
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:39 am

4 757's based at the moment:

Jet2
G-LSAA (Soon to go in for re-config of 235 seats as opposed to 228)
G-LSAB (Now gone to MAN i believe)
G-LSAC (Finally arrived and in full config of 235 seats)

ThomsonFly
G-BYAI (Looks like its staying with us all summer)

I wont put a message about Astraeus' 757's when they come in, just incase ZuluTime feels the need to report me to my company again for having an opinion.

[Edited 2006-06-03 21:43:19]
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 17):
just incase ZuluTime feels the need to report me to my company again for having an opinion.

Mind me asking what are you tallking about and whether i should be careful about talking to ZuluTime
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:46 am

What's the largest aircraft LBA has handled ? Having only flown out of there a few times on KLc F100's I'm not overly knowledgeable about the place but one of those runways seems very undulating - wouldn't fancy it in a 744  Wink
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:54 am

i know a Lba ATC guy and hes told me that the runway can cope with 747's and in airliners net there is a photo of Concorde landing at LBA Cheers tc
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:15 am

It used to do a Wardair flight years ago using a 747, they stopped at BHX to pick up more pax and fuel before heading across the atlantic.

The largest it gets nowdays is either a 757 or on rare occasions, a 767 on cruise charters by ThomsonFly, although last year TOM based a 767 at LBA AFAIK, or maybe it was just for some flights?

Quoting BA787 (Reply 18):

Mind me asking what are you tallking about and whether i should be careful about talking to ZuluTime

Yeah sure, i expressed an opinion about an airline, and he didnt like it and reported me to my company.

[Edited 2006-06-03 22:20:26]

[Edited 2006-06-03 22:23:06]
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 12):

The only B757's CO use on transatlantic services are 752's.

AA and DL can't offer the same number of connections at JFK as CO can at EWR. A New York service from LBA would be reliant on a good proportion of passengers connecting to other destinations as it's unlikely there would be a sufficient number of people wishing to just go to New York from the LBA catchment area to warrant such a service.

[Edited 2006-06-03 17:45:16]

Correct..........if anything, it would be CO, with 752s. LBA and NCL have been discussed and rumored as new destinations out of EWR for several years but, so far, neither had been added to the CO network.
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 21):
Yeah sure, i expressed an opinion about an airline, and he didnt like it and reported me to my company

Hes nice isnt he tell im to sod off
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 21):
although last year TOM based a 767 at LBA AFAIK, or maybe it was just for some flights?

The past couple of years in fact! Well partially anyway. BY (as it was then) based a 762 in May and June '04 and '05 and then reverted to a 752 for the remainder of those summer seasons. However, summer '06 seems to be a 752 for the whole season.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
What's the largest aircraft LBA has handled ?



Quoting Capital146 (Reply 3):
In the past, the only regularly served transatlantic destination has been YYZ, originally with Wardair 742's via BHX



Quoting TuRbUleNc3 (Reply 21):
It used to do a Wardair flight years ago using a 747, they stopped at BHX

Also (many years ago) had regular flights from British Airtours TriStars and Aviaco (Iberia) A300's.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:04 am

Cheers What date did Concorde visit LBA
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 24):
Also (many years ago) had regular flights from British Airtours TriStars and Aviaco (Iberia) A300's.

Theres a picture on a.net of the tristar when it overran the runway inbound from PMI.
I only mentioned wardair as it was the biggest i could think of, but you're correct anyway, the tristar is considerably bigger than a 767.
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 25):
Cheers What date did Concorde visit LBA

Concorde visited LBA many, many, times between 1986 and it's final appearance in 2000. The first Concorde to appear (in August 1986) was an Air France example, the only time an AF Concorde ever visited LBA! After that, BA Concorde's would appear for a couple of weekends each summer operating pleasure flight charters.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 15):
LBA-LGW was actually dropped prior to the BA pull-out at LBA, something like 1998/99. This had been operated by AT4's from the Cityflyer Express side of operations, rather than being part of the J41 operation. I've not heard any rumours of another carrier planning to reintroduce LBA-LGW anytime soon.

Not true. Yes, Cityflyer stopped the route when they had the opportunity to fly Gatwick - Zurich and this deemed a more profitable use of the a/c and LGW slots. However the Citiexpress operation, once established some time later, did operate a 4 x weekly service and this continued into March 2003 when BACX closed the LBA base.

Jet2 keep looking at the route and as the MAN-LGW route continues to stutter, there is always hope that rather than give back 3 pairs of decent LGW slots, they might try a LBA-LGW service with them.

As for transatlantic, I dread to think how much of MAN's long haul business is made up of business from east of the Pennines, but I would think a third at least is a reasonable estimate. Whether LBA or DSA can convert that demand into a few services remains to be seen. Hopefully when LBA gets sold off, we might get some cash being thrown at CO and AA and there might be a chance. Ideal would be for a flight into EWR which will tempt passengers not just for point to point connections into New York, but also the many Yorks passengers currently using MAN for one-stop connections through ORD, ATL, PHL etc. A Globespan-esque low-cost operation into YYZ and SFB/MCO would also be a hit I suspect. To be honest, I'm surprised Globespan haven't looked at DSA-SFB which if marketed correctly could mop up a lot of the Yorks / East Mids traffic using MAN for Florida services. There's obviously a relationship now with Peel and Globespan given recent developments at LPL, so maybe one to watch.
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 28):
As for transatlantic, I dread to think how much of MAN's long haul business is made up of business from east of the

LBA is my local airport and my family wish that LBA offered more flights to different destinations. Is there a charter or scheduled flight to Turin from LBA

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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 29):
Is there a charter or scheduled flight to Turin from LBA

Can't see any services to Turin on the LBA timetable at http://www.lbia.co.uk/pdf/All.pdf

Jet 2 have scheduled services to

Milan (Bergamo)
Pisa (Florence)
Rome (Fiumicino)
Venice Marco Polo

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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:10 pm

cheers LHRjc do TOM or MON operate ski charter flights
 
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Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:02 pm

Austrian does ski flights to Innsbruck in winter, MON doesnt fly in/out of LBA
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:20 pm

Quoting EGNM-LBA (Reply 28):
A Globespan-esque low-cost operation into YYZ and SFB/MCO would also be a hit I suspect. To be honest, I'm surprised Globespan haven't looked at DSA-SFB which if marketed correctly could mop up a lot of the Yorks / East Mids traffic using MAN for Florida services. There's obviously a relationship now with Peel and Globespan given recent developments at LPL, so maybe one to watch.

Personally, Im sort of expecting DSA-TFS on GSM before long
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:21 pm

cheers Turbublenc3 Is that using Tyrolean Dash 8
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:33 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 34):
cheers Turbublenc3 Is that using Tyrolean Dash 8

Not as long as ive seen it, only seen it a couple of times though, 737 once possibly, and F70 the second time.
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
There has been talk of Jet 2 flying the route

Ohh really? I do hope so. May I ask where you heard the talk?

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 28):
Jet2 keep looking at the route and as the MAN-LGW route continues to stutter, there is always hope that rather than give back 3 pairs of decent LGW slots, they might try a LBA-LGW service with them.

Would that be with the leased BAe146?

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 28):
I dread to think how much of MAN's long haul business is made up of business from east of the Pennines, but I would think a third at least is a reasonable estimate

Whenever I'm at Leeds rail station, it is full of people with suitcases that have MAN baggage labels on them. LBA really needs to expand to get some of these to use their local airport.

Quoting LBA" class=quote target=_blank>EGNM-LBA (Reply 28):
when LBA gets sold off

I notice you used a "when" rather than an "if"! Is it likely to be soon? And who will it be sold to?

Quoting BA787 (Reply 29):
my family wish that LBA offered more flights to different destinations

The current routes to LHR (BD) and AMS (KL) do mean many more connections are available, but going via LHR and AMS can be expensive for the passenger. A connection to LGW would open up many more destinations and would probably be cheaper. Think of all the U2 routes for example!
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
Would that be with the leased BAe146?

Not really. The 146 is an interim solution to delays in getting 737s and a 757 into service. Jet2 don't intend to be a 146 operator for any longer than is necessary.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
Whenever I'm at Leeds rail station, it is full of people with suitcases that have MAN baggage labels on them. LBA really needs to expand to get some of these to use their local airport.

Everyone I know from my social, work and family circle who has booked a package holiday this year (and last) has done so from MAN. Everyone I know who's travelled long-haul has done so from MAN. No-one I know who's booked a low-cost service has done so from MAN...all of which tells it's own story really.

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
I notice you used a "when" rather than an "if"! Is it likely to be soon? And who will it be sold to?

Yes, the local authorities are in the process of putting their shares in the airport up for sale. Should be some news within a few months
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:03 am

Just been at LBA not very frequent services today at all. When is LBA's busiest time? Why does BMI have a white ERJ-145?
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
There has been talk of Jet 2 flying the route

Ohh really? I do hope so. May I ask where you heard the talk?

There has been some on the lba spotters forum.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 39):
Quoting Sam1987 (Reply 36):
Quoting Humberside (Reply 16):
There has been talk of Jet 2 flying the route

Ohh really? I do hope so. May I ask where you heard the talk?

There has been some on the lba spotters forum

Can you put a link in for the LBA spotters forum plz is it A.Net
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 40):
Can you put a link in for the LBA spotters forum plz is it A.Net

I have sent you a private message since posting links like that isn't allowed  Sad
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 41):
I have sent you a private message since posting links like that isn't allowed

Chhers and thanks for the warning. T.C.
 
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:14 am

Maybe at the same time CO returns to STN and opens NCL one could see them trying their luck with LBA. I'm quite sure all these English airports might support a EWR flight, given the connecting possibilities overthere.
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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 19):
What's the largest aircraft LBA has handled ?

IIRC I believe it was a Corsair 747-300 that was in on a football charter. I think they had a 747-200 and a 747-300 in at the same time if my memory serves me correctly - would have loves to have seen a pic of this though !!.

BY have also operated from LBA-MCO direct too with a 767 at least once - and that was only because of a last minute change of the wind that meant they could go non-stop !!!.

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RE: LBA Transatlantic Services

Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 41):
I have sent you a private message since posting links like that isn't allowed

Could you send me the link too please?

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 43):
Maybe at the same time CO returns to STN and opens NCL one could see them trying their luck with LBA. I'm quite sure all these English airports might support a EWR flight, given the connecting possibilities overthere.

I agree.
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