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CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:40 am

Is it just me or is Continental screwing its passengers from ATL, BOS, CHI, Dallas and DC by putting their flights in Terminal A just to keep Jetblue from expanding at (and other competiton out of) EWR? What about its connecting passengers on these routes? I know that these routes have a lower number of connections, however they do have connections, there are probably more connections then you think. What about all the international connections where most likely a missed connection means a day off your vacation? It doesn't need to be this way, Continental shouldn't be screwing its customers for its own gain.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:53 am

There are a few reasons that ATL, DFW, ORD, MDW, BOS, DCA and IAD operate from Terminal A......

1. Most of these flights are highly O&D oriented.....trust me, CO knows how many pax are connecting and how many are O&D on each flight.

2. ATL, ORD and DFW are hubs for other airlines.......its easier to transfer pax to/from other carriers should the need arrise (say UA overbooks an ORD flight, the pax can easily transfer to a CO flight).

3. CO splits operations between term A and C for one reason.....there is simply not enough room at C to accommodate CO's entire operation, it has nothing to do with JetBlue or any other carrier. BOS and DCA/IAD ops only recently moved to A......you do realize that CO continues to expand at EWR and has added many flights, primarily to international destinations.

4. I will remind you that CO operated in C long before Jetblue came to EWR (and long before Jetblue even existed).

As for connections........the very effecient AirTrain operates between the terminal and a pax can get from A to C almost as quickly as going from gate C 96 to C138.......its not an issue.

And, why the attitude?
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:05 am

The only thing that CO desperately needs is an airside connection between C and A. EWR security is often lengthy and intrusive. And they do have a fair amount of connecting longhaul passengers from Washington and Boston.

I certainly wouldn't want to go through Dulles security and then do Newark security an hour later. Yuck!

Of course its a problem in many airports, but it seems especially problematic for a large hub like Newark. Connection times have to be pretty long for passengers who have to wait for the train then re-clear security.

The jetBlue operation at Newark is so new and Continental has been developing its A concourse flights for some time. Furthermore, jetBlue's
Newark business is quite small and to overwhelmingly leisure markets.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:30 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Thread starter):
Is it just me or is Continental screwing its passengers from ATL, BOS, CHI, Dallas and DC by putting their flights in Terminal A just to keep Jetblue from expanding at (and other competiton out of) EWR?



Umm, CO has been in those gates far longer than the PeoplExress wanna-be B6. I'll agree with the above that these markets are pretty much O&D.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:38 am

I transfer through EWR quite a bit out of my homebase in BOS. I was worried that having to transfer terminals and go through security would be a royal pain in the backside.

So far, it's been relatively easy. Plus, as a plane fanatic, I love riding the airtrain and getting a bird's eye view of Terminal B.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:48 am

I nearly missed a flight because of that issue.

I was going DFW-EWR-DUB last March. Flight from DFW 2hr+ late. Security in terminal C wouldn't let me skip ahead and I ran through the terminal to make it on the flight as they were closing the door. Of course, we then waited at the gate for two hours before leaving for deicing  mad 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
1. Most of these flights are highly O&D oriented.....trust me, CO knows how many pax are connecting and how many are O&D on each flight.

According to someone who flys DCA-EWR frequently
"Personally, I take the EWR/DCA/EWR flight 2-3 times a month. The afternoon departures from DCA usually have at least a dozen customers connecting onwards to various International destinations, as well as dozens more connecting domestically. Especially on Sunday afternoons, the 5pm flight is ground-stopped almost 80% of the time, and arrives more than 1 hour past the scheduled arrival time (which is already padded by 30 minutes) more than half the time. Often, that flight arrives at 8pm - not enough time to get to T-C and make any connections that leave before 9pm."

Bocastephen (from Flyer Talk)

Quoting Mats (Reply 2):
And they do have a fair amount of connecting longhaul passengers from Washington and Boston



Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
2. ATL, ORD and DFW are hubs for other airlines.......its easier to transfer pax to/from other carriers should the need arrise (say UA overbooks an ORD flight, the pax can easily transfer to a CO flight).

That is relevent how? I don't care why certain cities were picked.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
3. CO splits operations between term A and C for one reason.....there is simply not enough room at C to accommodate CO's entire operation, it has nothing to do with JetBlue or any other carrier.

It has to do with Jetblue and everybody knows it, Its been mentioned COUNTLESS times on Flyertalk. These are just the recent ones I could find

cptlflyer says "BUT, don't forget that the whole reason CO is in A at all has nothing to do with running out of gate space in C -- CO is trying to use every free gate at Newark to disallow jetBlue from expanding there. It's entirely political." (Source: Flyertalk)

Even Continentalfan agrees "I think the JBLU issue is it in a nutshell. Continental has to hold those gates. It's not a bad tactic. CO has had to contend with a number of competitors in the past"
(Source: Flyertalk)


Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
BOS and DCA/IAD ops only recently moved to A

Continental moves flights over there because of gate utilization requirements.
PS by recently you mean October "Please note that effective October 1, 2005, the Continental Airlines flights to Boston, MA (BOS) will now arrive and depart from Terminal A." (Source: Continental.com

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
As for connections........the very effecient AirTrain operates between the terminal and a pax can get from A to C almost as quickly as going from gate C 96 to C138.......its not an issue.

Since when do you have to reclear security to go from 96-138. Even in this thread someone said that

Quoting Mats (Reply 2):
EWR security is often lengthy and intrusive.

BocaStephen the guy who travels DCA-EWR 2-3 times a month says to the question of how long "I would make sure you have at least 60 minutes to make this connection for flights arriving EWR before 3pm, and at least 2.5 hours for flights scheduled to arrive EWR between 3pm and 7pm. If you are arriving EWR between 3p and 7p and your connection out of EWR is either international or the last flight of the day and you cannot risk a misconnect, I recommend at least 3 hours (right up to 4 hrs if possible)
(Source: Flyertalk)

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
Umm, CO has been in those gates far longer than the PeoplExress wanna-be B6. I'll agree with the above that these markets are pretty much O&D.

Yes they were trying to keep LCCs such as B6 out
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:41 am

Firstly, Jerseyguy, go take a tranquilizer.

Secondly, I could care less about Flyertalk.

Thirdly, if you dont like CO, thats your choice.

Lastly, CO needs the Terminal A gates for its ops, so simple is it, and its just too bad that, for some reason, this bothers you. CO has leases for the gates and made investements into Terminal A (before JetBlue came to EWR, by the way).....as I said above, CO has been in Terminal A before JetBlue even existed, so what is your problem?

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):

According to someone who flys DCA-EWR frequently
"Personally, I take the EWR/DCA/EWR flight 2-3 times a month. The afternoon departures from DCA usually have at least a dozen customers connecting onwards to various International destinations, as well as dozens more connecting domestically. Especially on Sunday afternoons, the 5pm flight is ground-stopped almost 80% of the time, and arrives more than 1 hour past the scheduled arrival time (which is already padded by 30 minutes) more than half the time. Often, that flight arrives at 8pm - not enough time to get to T-C and make any connections that leave before 9pm."

Bocastephen (from Flyer Talk)

Wow, 12 connecting customers.......so many?

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):

That is relevent how? I don't care why certain cities were picked.

And I dont care what you think.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):

Continental moves flights over there because of gate utilization requirements.
PS by recently you mean October "Please note that effective October 1, 2005, the Continental Airlines flights to Boston, MA (BOS) will now arrive and depart from Terminal A." (Source: Continental.com

Yes, October 1 2005 is recent, less than a year.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):

Since when do you have to reclear security to go from 96-138. Even in this thread someone said that

You dont.......so?

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):

Yes they were trying to keep LCCs such as B6 out

CO had the gates before JetBlue even thought about EWR, what is your problem.......and who cares what BocaSteven thinks (your post)......and no airline, including CO, is required to accommodate a new entrant into the market. JetBLue came to EWR, has not done as well as expected, has now cut routes and some frequency, and thats the way it is.

CO has put up a good fight at EWR.......too bad for JetBlue. End of story.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:45 am

I didn't know that CO has split their operations at EWR so some connecting passengers have to reclear security to connect. I really can't think of any other airport hub where this is the case... its almost embarrasing for CO.

I will from now on make sure that I choose another carrier over CO if it means having to transfer terminals at EWR.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:46 am

Does PHL also have the issue of people missing their connecting flights between terminals with US? Also, do you still have to re-clear security when going btwn A-West-B/C, B to C and B/C-F?
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Thread starter):
Is it just me or is Continental screwing its passengers from ATL, BOS, CHI, Dallas and DC by putting their flights in Terminal A just to keep Jetblue from expanding at (and other competiton out of) EWR?

See, you ask a "question" but you have no question. It's "just you."

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 5):
I nearly missed a flight because of that issue.

You nearly missed a flight because your first flight was 2 hours late, not because of "that issue" and you still made the flight!

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):
That is relevent how? I don't care why certain cities were picked.

You don't care about the truth. You have a viewpoint not a question, obviously, and have decided that despite CO operating from A to the UA/AA/DL hubs for YEARS and B6 only started EWR service last year, CO is in A only because they are trying to keep B6 out.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):
It has to do with Jetblue and everybody knows it, Its been mentioned COUNTLESS times on Flyertalk. These are just the recent ones I could find

Then those countless times it has been stated are wrong.

Everybody does not know it.

CO has a president's club there and has for quite a long time. They aren't just holding up gate space for the heck of it.

Though CO has now expanded into Europe to such a degree that this is on longer true, when they first started using A for the competitor hub cities, it was done because the likelihood of having a bunch of connecting pax for places like London, Paris, Frankfurt, etc. was low considering the number of non-stops to those major cities for ATL, DFW, ORD, IAD etc.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:53 am

CO pax had frequently complained about the fact that they had to reclear security, so CO announced earlier in the year at their FlyerTalk 'do in IAH that they would be adding airside shuttle bus service from Terminal A to C in order to avoid the security rescreening and AirTrain shuffle that anyone making connections needed to do. I don't know if it's up and running yet, but they did say that they would have it by summertime.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:54 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
CO splits operations between term A and C for one reason.....there is simply not enough room at C to accommodate CO's entire operation

59 gates isn't enough??????  Confused
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 6:55 am

Someone wrote in a recent thread that CO has an airside bus shuttle now. Can anyone confirm this? Before my next flight  Smile

When you consider how expensive it is to fly out of DCA versus BWI on CO, it is really insulting to these customers to have to re-clear security, even if there is high % O&D. And the best part is, BWI doesn't have to re-clear!

Once again I am making the DCA connection this week and I just hate it. The best contrast is with transferring to terminal B at IAH: it is just as awful (B is SUCH a dump), but at least you don't have to clear security!

I don't visit flyertalk too often so I had never heard the B6 conspiracy theory before. True or not I am going to start calling my transfer "the jet blue screw" because at least someone has given a name to my pain  Smile AZStagecoach
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:01 am

How does CO a Newark handle pets? Ihave a pup I'll be shipping to Glasgow from Newark - pup will be arriving from Cleveland. I've always had good luck, concerned people with both CO and NWA when shipping animals within the US, Canada, Mexico, and South America --

Personally, I do not like Newark, but thought that was a viable route for the pup to Glasgow ( this is a valuable dog, insured, health checked, all that stuff)

I'd like some opinions here - my other option is NWA - DTW, AMS, Glasgow
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 12):
59 gates isn't enough??????

Nope, its not.......remember that CO Express utilizes just about the entire C2 concourse (aside from an occassional mainline flight during peak hours).
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:10 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
Nope, its not.......remember that CO Express utilizes just about the entire C2 concourse

Yep. I did notice that in April. Who uses the middle concourse in Terminal A? In the early to mid 90s, it was all USAir.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:15 am

*SIGH*

CO in A has nothing whatsoever to do with B6. NOTHING.

Those gates became available when Kiwi went out of business in '96. CO grabbed the gates and started operating P2P flights out there (many to destinations that were served by Kiwi). This also help alleviate congestion in Terminal C while the third concourse was built.

The setup worked for CO, and of course preventing someone else from getting those gates is an advantage as well.

CO was in A before JetBlue was a stain on Neelman's sheets.

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 17):
CO was in A before JetBlue was a stain on Neelman's sheets.

That made me laugh out loud. It is also the truest thing I have read today.

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):


That made me laugh out loud. It is also the truest thing I have read today.

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:26 am

Quoting Mats (Reply 2):
The only thing that CO desperately needs is an airside connection between C and A. EWR security is often lengthy and intrusive. And they do have a fair amount of connecting longhaul passengers from Washington and Boston.


Starting on june 16 2006 contintental will have bus service at gate 20 to gate 71 so pax do not have to go outside security. If this test gets good reviews co will put alot more money into the project.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:36 am

That's good to know. I have several BOS to EWR connections in the next few months so I will definitely try it out. Off to Punta Cana in early July and then Copenhagen and Madrid this fall!
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:39 am

so, based on no response, I will not ship this pup EWR GLA
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:40 am

Surprised they didn't have a shuttle bus service long before...They could have one bus going back and forth all day for minimal cost...That's probably all they would need if each flight that arrives at Terminal A only has a dozen or so passengers connecting.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 22):
so, based on no response, I will not ship this pup EWR GLA

CO treats animals very well, but you may not be able to ship it because it could be too hot at the time you plan on doing it.

For CO's pet shipping policy, see their website!

I shipped a cat LAX-IAH and they did a good job. You bring the animal to the cargo area (not the ticketing) and they treat it like special cargo, not a piece of luggage. At IAH they have air conditioned transfers equipment and facilities, but I don't know about EWR.

Why not call them and ask?
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Lastly, CO needs the Terminal A gates for its ops, so simple is it, and its just too bad that, for some reason, this bothers you. CO has leases for the gates and made investements into Terminal A (before JetBlue came to EWR, by the way).....as I said above, CO has been in Terminal A before JetBlue even existed, so what is your problem?

Not just Jetblue but LCCs in general.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Wow, 12 connecting customers.......so many?

Read the quote more carefully, it says "ATLEAST a dozen (12) for Int'l PAX, and DOZENS (ATLEAST 24) domestically" BTW, thats PER FLIGHT. Continental obviously thought it was enough that they are FINALLY starting an airside shuttle.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
CO had the gates before JetBlue even thought about EWR

Would you read my posts before commenting on them.. LCCs LIKE Jetblue. Not just Jetblue.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 17):
Those gates became available when Kiwi went out of business in '96. CO grabbed the gates and started operating P2P flights out there (many to destinations that were served by Kiwi). This also help alleviate congestion in Terminal C while the third concourse was built.

Once the 3rd concourse was built they were scheduled to go back to C. But they decided to stay to keep LCCs from getting them.

This thread is a moot point now that Continental has decieded to help their pax out with a airside shuttle.

Quoting Azstagecoach (Reply 13):
True or not I am going to start calling my transfer "the jet blue screw" because at least someone has given a name to my pain

Thanks I try to do my best  Big grin Although "the JetBlue Screw" ends June 16th as CO has wisely decieded to run an airside shuttle.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:35 am

Thanks Ikra -- I have shipped many dogs and cats -- on both CO and NWA, but I watch the change airports carefully. I have never had a problem with MSP, DTW, IAH, or CLE. I also will not fly animals on UA, or AA
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:37 am

Even if they are using that as a tactic, it is not that uncommon. UAL put Ted on DEN concourse A to try and curb F9's expansion. It's strategy.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 27):
Even if they are using that as a tactic, it is not that uncommon. UAL put Ted on DEN concourse A to try and curb F9's expansion. It's strategy.

The difference is you don't usually have to reclear security which can take ALOT of time
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 25):
Not just Jetblue but LCCs in general.



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 25):
Would you read my posts before commenting on them.. LCCs LIKE Jetblue. Not just Jetblue.

Last time I was at EWR, I saw JetBlue, AirTran, USA 3000 and other aircraft from LCCs and ATA also served EWR at one time......guess CO did not do such a good job at keeping those annoying LCCs out of EWR by controlling all of those unneeded gates.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 25):

Once the 3rd concourse was built they were scheduled to go back to C. But they decided to stay to keep LCCs from getting them.


According to what source.....as the 3rd concourse was being built, CO did a major upgrade of A and installed an updated Presidents Club in A, do you think that CO did that because they had nothing better to do? CO never had any intention of vacating its gates at A.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 25):
This thread is a moot point now that Continental has decieded to help their pax out with a airside shuttle.

And because your conclusion that CO is keeping the A gates simply to limit JetBlue's growth is incorrect and not valid.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 28):
The difference is you don't usually have to reclear security which can take ALOT of time

Is there no transport between terminals at EWR?
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:00 am

Misconx at PHL is a very common thing. I have had the problem a number of times.

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 9):
Does PHL also have the issue of people missing their connecting flights between terminals with US? Also, do you still have to re-clear security when going btwn A-West-B/C, B to C and B/C-F?

If you arrive from an international destination and you have clear immigration and customs in PHL, you will have to clear security to get your connecting gate. If you arrive from a domestic flight, regardless of the arriving terminal, you don't have to clear security.

This is the case in many US airports, is EWR different?

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:00 am

From our Monthly Operational Update regarding operations at Terminal A...
This will help those customers going to ATL, BOS, MDW, ORD, DFW, DCA and IAD.

"EWR Terminal A and C Bus Test

Continental will begin a test program in mid June, 2006 (target
date June 15th), in an effort to ease customer transit between
Terminal A and Terminal C at Newark Liberty International.
Customers will be able to transit the terminals - via bus -
without exiting security.

The buses will operate every five minutes between Terminal
A (Gate A28) and Terminal C (Gate C71) daily from 0700 -
2100. Ticketed Continental Airline Customers and
Continental Employee's with valid ID will be eligible to board
the bus.

Customers arriving at Terminal A, who are connecting to
domestic or international departures at Terminal C will be
directed to this bus service. Terminal C domestic arrivals
with connections at Terminal A will be directed to this service
as well. International arriving customers transiting to
Terminal A will be directed to the AirTrain as they are now.
The gate exit to the bus boarding area is equipped with stairs
only - there are no escalators or elevators for this service at
the present time.

For the launch of the service, we will be limiting the
communication to:

1. Informational and directional signage in EWR, both in
Terminal A and Terminal C
2. Out-station gate announcements, either prior to boarding
and/or during the boarding process"
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:54 am

As much as I love FlyerTalk (heck, today while I was at a karate testing, I had about 5 people wondering what the heck my bright neon FlyerTalk luggage tags were for), I'm going to disagree with a small group of posters on FT on CO squatting on those gates. Yes, they are snatching up gates over there now because of B6 - they're determined to keep them from expanding. However, as long as I can remember, they've always had about 5 gates over there for the ATL/ORD/DFW flights, which makes sense, because as others on FT have pointed out (correctly in my opinion) that customers in these markets are much more likely to have non-stops, which make more sense to have these markets be the ones in A. As for DCA/BOS, as others on FT have pointed out, this is CO's attempt at a Shuttle...trying to put these passengers (where they compete with US/DL ex-LGA) in a terminal with less traffic.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:22 pm

They must... MUST put in sometype of airside connection. I have been flying them recently and really like Co but the current transit system at EWR is unrealistic. Ive missed my connection 3 out of the last 4 trips. I called CO customer relations in Houston and the agent didnt really understand the problem but then she admitted she had never been to Newark.
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:01 pm

As for the pet question, CO does a very good job with pets. Sometimes you'll see the special Pet Vans around the airport that they use to transport them airside. Can't miss the vans - they're new white minivans with cute paw prints all over them. CO donated a lot of money and services after Katrina, but their pet rescues after the hurricane may have gotten the most attention. They flew an all-pet charter (sponsered by a generous donor), boarded several hundred homeless pets in their kennel facilities, and had a kennel drive to get people to donate carriers for the homeless pets.

CO claims to carry more pets each year than the other airlines combined. I'm not sure if it's true, but they do have an impressive system.

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:38 pm

I have one problem with CO in EWR. They have so many damn flights in EWR that there is a ground delay program every day at that airport, and delays are often an hour even with 10 and clear conditions in EWR. Something needs to be done about this, because if you have delay programs every day at a hub city, there is no way you can run a reliably on time airline this way. Even ORD, ATL, and PHL are more reliably on time than EWR, and that isn't saying much. If it keeps up, EWR is going to become a slot airport, just like JFK and LGA. (and slots still haven't worked for LGA)

As for the original topic. BOS-EWR, while it competes with the shuttles at LGA as well as Acela, is not strictly O and D like the others are. There are plenty of connecting passengers in EWR for BOS. You need some airside link between A and C, or you need to build more gates at C, which is what I think they should do, and I am sure they will get port authorities blessing on this. Security lines at EWR seem bad by all accounts, particularly in C. I used to connect in EWR quite often on CO, and it was really nice when everything was in C, now you are telling me to go from a more modern C, all the way to a somewhat more outdated facility, without staying in the secure area? Thats not good customer service in my opinion.

But its not just CO in EWR where this is true. In MIA there are I think 8 or so gates accessed by tram, that are separate from the rest of the secure area. I once had to leave security in MIA to make a connection to one of these flights. In LAX, DL operates from two concourses in separate areas, then throw in the eagle codeshare, and it becomes three. In BOS, AA and Eagle were in different secure areas for a while, I am not sure if they still are. In LAS, WN sometimes uses gates on the B concourse in addition to the C, which are in different sterile areas. WN in MCI I believe has too many checkpoints and secure areas to count. US in DCA has a couple of gates on B with the rest on concourse C if memory serves me right.

And of course in ORD and BOS, where AA operates and UA in the case of ORD, international arrivals are in a totally different terminal than the rest of their operations. Meaning you have to use airport transportation after clearing customs. Why AA and UA don't build a joint facility in ORD, or Massport won't let AA build one in BOS, is beyond me.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 25):
Not just Jetblue but LCCs in general.

Really...then why do you only mention Jetblue?

Quoting JerseyGuy (Thread starter):
...by putting their flights in Terminal A just to keep Jetblue from expanding



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):
It has to do with Jetblue and everybody knows it

That's funny I didn't see you mention any other LCC in any of your previous posts.

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 25):
Would you read my posts before commenting on them.. LCCs LIKE Jetblue. Not just Jetblue.

Perhaps you should read your own posts before referencing them...

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:54 pm

CO has also returned some int'l flt to EWR's B. This has nothing to do with the growth of the past few years and is strictly a ploy to keep the gates away from BA ,TP, and the looming threat of service from 9K.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting Tpaewr (Reply 38):
CO has also returned some int'l flt to EWR's B. This has nothing to do with the growth of the past few years and is strictly a ploy to keep the gates away from BA ,TP, and the looming threat of service from 9K.

 Wink

And in IAH, all that tarmac space used between B and C to park and board the ERJs has nothing to do with growth and everything to do with preventing other airlines from parking there... oh, wait, that's not any more true than what JerseyGuy has said...
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:07 pm

Hey Western318, First of all,B6 will certainly be around longer than Peoples Express and now that "GORDON BUFFOON'' is gone CO is ripe for the picken!! I do remember PE being in Pitt for about a minute growing up!!! And being a VERY PROUD mechanic at B6 I don''t appreciate being compared to Peoples Express!! Oh, tell CO to keep flying internationally cause who in the world flys to Houston and Cleveland??? They'll be looking for a merger like US Air!!!!
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 5:25 pm

Ugh I can't....... If you can't handle flying and switching terminals......don't fly at all..........
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 36):
I have one problem with CO in EWR. They have so many damn flights in EWR that there is a ground delay program every day at that airport, and delays are often an hour even with 10 and clear conditions in EWR. Something needs to be done about this, because if you have delay programs every day at a hub city, there is no way you can run a reliably on time airline this way. Even ORD, ATL, and PHL are more reliably on time than EWR, and that isn't saying much. If it keeps up, EWR is going to become a slot airport, just like JFK and LGA. (and slots still haven't worked for LGA)

Please provide your credible source for this statement.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting SPAZOLAJBLULGB (Reply 40):


Pitt

It's PIT or Pittsburgh. Pitt is Angelina Jolie's baby daddy.

Quoting SPAZOLAJBLULGB (Reply 40):


Peoples Express

It was People Express or PeoplExpress.

Quoting SPAZOLAJBLULGB (Reply 40):


flys

The correct usage is "flies".

Quoting SPAZOLAJBLULGB (Reply 40):


US Air!!!!

Do you mean US Airways?
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:58 pm

I would imagine-Continental is probably growing too much and needs more space. Also, maybe they took the Song gates, which most likely would have been in the same place as JetBlue; for they get the same servicing for serving all of the exact same routes...
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Planebuff (Reply 44):
I would imagine-Continental is probably growing too much and needs more space. Also, maybe they took the Song gates, which most likely would have been in the same place as JetBlue; for they get the same servicing for serving all of the exact same routes...

Huh? Song was part of Delta and operated from the Delta gates at EWR and at other airports.

Quoting SPAZOLAJBLULGB (Reply 40):
Hey Western318, First of all,B6 will certainly be around longer than Peoples Express and now that "GORDON BUFFOON'' is gone CO is ripe for the picken!! I do remember PE being in Pitt for about a minute growing up!!! And being a VERY PROUD mechanic at B6 I don''t appreciate being compared to Peoples Express!! Oh, tell CO to keep flying internationally cause who in the world flys to Houston and Cleveland??? They'll be looking for a merger like US Air!!!!

You are a mechanic for JetBlue? I think I will fly with another carrier.
 
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 45):
You are a mechanic for JetBlue? I think I will fly with another carrier.

LOL!!!!
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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting SPAZOLAJBLULGB (Reply 40):
Oh, tell CO to keep flying internationally cause who in the world flys to Houston and Cleveland???

Uh...some of us have had to fly to one or both of these cities for various reasons...CLE was a very nice city to go to...very nice downtown area, and I would go back there in a heartbeat. Not to mention the CO Concourse had improved greatly since the mid-1990s - back then, I hated it, but now it is quite nice.

As for CO being ripe for the pickin', I would say that CO is in the best shape (or one of the top 2) of the legacy carriers, is beating B6 in the EWR market (B6 has been dropping flights out of EWR lately, including all TPA service), and offers many amenities that B6 can't even dream to offer (first class, President's Club, priority check-in, an elite program, priority security, EliteAccess), all of which are a heck of a lot more important to me than a PTV...I can survive being away from the television for a few hours...

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 6):
It has to do with Jetblue and everybody knows it, Its been mentioned COUNTLESS times on Flyertalk.



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 17):
CO was in A before JetBlue was a stain on Neelman's sheets.

OK?

CO was in Terminal for years and years before JetBlue existed. IIRC, some of the gates came from UA in exchange for some CO gates at LAX. Furthermore, the Port Authority (which operates the NY area airports) has usage requirements; if the gates aren't being used enough, they can be assigned to another carrier (or carriers). CO gets plenty of use from it's A gates.

What we really should be talking about is B6's scandalous gate grab at JFK.
 

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RE: CO Gives Select Pax The Jetblue Screw?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 36):
I have one problem with CO in EWR. They have so many damn flights in EWR that there is a ground delay program every day at that airport, and delays are often an hour even with 10 and clear conditions in EWR. Something needs to be done about this, because if you have delay programs every day at a hub city, there is no way you can run a reliably on time airline this way.

Apodino,
While CO/BTA do have the majority of the flights at EWR, there are many more factors into why there are ground delay programs at EWR. First, weather will dictate how much traffic can be handled by the NYC area controllers, be it the EWR Tower, or NY TRACON. If EWR is configured a certain way, it affects TEB traffic as well and thus we all suffer. Secondly, if winds are a certain speed and direction, the overflow 11-29 runway becomes useless and that will restrict ops. Third, and this doesn't get enough attention sometimes, pop-up GA/Corporate traffic that decide to fly into EWR instead of TEB or MMU (Morristown, NJ) have been circumventing the Ground Delay Program system for a long time and when this happens, the GDPs get so skewed that a further reduction in arrival traffic, or even a ground stop occurs. DCA-EWR flights have their own problem, much like CLE-EWR flights in that overhead stream during busy times means holds at the end of the runway or these flights getting internal ground stops until a slot overhead comes available. Remember, out of the DC area, CO isn't the only one flying to EWR.
Now, coming this Monday, tomorrow in fact, a new ATC program launches which will either help or hinder the traffic problems in EWR/LGA. Called AFP, or Airspace Flow Program, instead of putting airports into a ground delay program, the ATC folks will set up areas constraining all traffic, including the GA/Corporate folks, so that everyone is delayed flying towards areas of high demand (read: Northeast). Time will tell how this system works, but it will, or should, help in the rolling GDP/Ground Stops that have plagued airports such as EWR, LGA, PHL, BOS, etc. in the past.

Oh, and as for CO flying out of A, those weren't the gates that Kiwi was using. Kiwi was flying out of A-3, where US Airways is now.
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