planebuff
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BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:49 am

Can anybody give me info on the BAe146?  Smile
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HS748
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:56 am

Your very own Airliners.net can! At the top of the page is a button that says 'A/C DATA'. Give it a click and you'll be amazed at all the facts you can get about the BAe 146.
 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting HS748 (Reply 1):
Your very own Airliners.net can! At the top of the page is a button that says 'A/C DATA'. Give it a click and you'll be amazed at all the facts you can get about the BAe 146.

Don't believe that section ever
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):
Don't believe that section ever

Do you have anything to back up your statement with?
 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:02 am

Hey Planebuff  Smile

The BAe 146 is a four-engine high winged regional jet capable of carrying about 90-100 passengers. It has a range of about 2,000km and I believe it cruises at around 500 knots. Thanks to its high wing, large flaps and spoilers, and a really cool airbrake, it doesn't need thrust reversers upon landing and is capable of taking off and landing in a fairly short distance. The only real problem I see is that with 4 small engines instead of 2 larger ones, though they are remarkably quiet, it is a pain in the neck to maintain which is probably why it isn't a bit more popular among airlines. Also, I have heard from people that it can be quite cramped inside, but I can't confirm or deny it as I haven't flown one. BAE Systems has ceased production in 2002, 21 years after the Maiden flight.

I hope I helped some, and if not, google is your friend  Wink

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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:51 am

 Smile Thanks Aero! and Flypxd, and MD90fan, HS748 (Am I missing anyone--if so, thanks). That all really helped!  Smile  Smile
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):

Don't believe that section ever



Quoting Planebuff (Reply 5):
That all really helped

Really???

Anyway, the information provided comes from a reputable author who sells books with the information in - I don't think its rubbish at all!
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:50 am

There you go, Mhodgson, from what I can see they're really nice aircraft (well, neat, yet cramped.) Also, Mhodgson, if you felt that I was being sarcastic when I said "that really helps! IT DOES! SERIOUSLY! IT ISN'T RUBBISH!
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:18 am

From my experience on the BAE/AVRO on Mesaba and ASA I always thought it was a great plane room wise. Unless you get a 6 across configured A/C the Avro is the most roomy aircraft in the sky. seatguru.com is a good place to compare with other aircraft.
Only thing I find unusual about the plane is the crazy flap noise it makes. It's a one of a kind sound for sure.


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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:38 am

Nothing is better than going direct to the source - here you'll find its BAe brochure:
http://www.baeportal.datathree.com/p...lance_Brochure__September_2004.pdf

Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
It has a range of about 2,000km and I believe it cruises at around 500 knots.

500 knots is about 100 knots to many
 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
Do you have anything to back up your statement with?

Well it's not updated. And there are several little thing wrong, like for example it says the PW powered 752 has more power than a RR one  wink 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:46 am

I've not long done a course on the RJ/146. If you need any technical facts let me know. Might help me remember what the hell I'm talking about Big grin

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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:18 am

Never (sadly) flown on one yet.

However, why was it made how it was, what is the context-to me, as important in understanding a type as raw data.

Originally the HS.146, designed in the early 70's, when there was interest in potential 'city centre' airports.
Meaning big noise and airfield space restrictions.

Hawker-Siddeley took a keen interest in this market, even in 1970 proposing a low wing, shorthauler, the HS-141, with two wing mounted high bypass engines, but with large fairings either side of the lower fuselage-for a bank of small turbofan 'lift' engines, enabling vertical take off.
Like the one forward on the F-35B, many times over.
Clearly not practical, rather undermining the need for low noise, but a look at how to do an airliner for city centre airports that would be just enlarged heliports.

So, the more practical HS.146 emerged, but with no suitable engine, if you wanted just two that is, they were not around in 1972/3.
Well almost, Avco developed a very quiet engine, with it's ancestry in the power plant in Chinook helicopters, but four required.

But the oil crisis of 1973, sent shockwaves everywhere, ambitious projects were cancelled, in the UK, this included the Channel Tunnel-already started then, not related to the later completed one.
The Maplin Sands off shore airport, off the coast of South East England.
And the HS-146, apart from the costs of building it, who was about to build centre centre airports in this recession?

In 1978, now as part of British Aerospace, the now BAe-146 was re-launched, as well as the modernised Jetstream from a decade before.

Sales were slow at first, though there was an emerging commuter market, not quite what the HS-146 had been designed to serve though.

Then in 1983, the breakthrough. Though not the first US customer, PSA's order for 25 -146's gave a much needed shot in the arm.
PSA wanted to carry on operating in the increasingly noise sensitive smaller airports in CA , where 727's were too loud, even the new MD-80, both too big for many PSA routes it seems too.
But the BAe-146 did fit.

Sadly, though upgraded to the Avro series which sold well too, BAe dropped the ball by failing to build the 'original' RJX, modernised, re-vamped, with two of the new R/R-BMW engines.
If started in 1992/3, it would have entered service during the regional jet boom.
As it was, the real 'RJX' was another 4-holer, but with new Honeywell engines and other improvements, gained some orders, even flew, but BAE as it was then, killed the whole project in November 2001.
 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:35 am

I've been on a flybe BAe 146-300 and it was awful. 6 abreast compared to the usual 5, and I found it really dark and claustrophobic inside and not particularly quiet. Don't want to travel on one again in a hurry!
 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:54 am

Used to love flying Meridiana's 146's into FLR.

A few little traits:

The flaps motors let out what can only be described as a banshee wail...very amusing to see the faces of unsuspecting pax

When it has to get airborne, it really can...full power and then brakes off...great fun

Always loved the cabin as it reminded me of the 1st/2nd generation jets

Miss this little bird on the LGW-FLR run...although the replacement A319's are the nuts
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
Do you have anything to back up your statement with?



Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 6):
Anyway, the information provided comes from a reputable author who sells books with the information in - I don't think its rubbish at all!

He is absolutely right on that one. It is completely inaccurate and misleading in the way it presents information and should not be relied on.
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
He is absolutely right on that one. It is completely inaccurate and misleading in the way it presents information and should not be relied on.

Thanks for telling them, I'm sure there are other facts that are incorrect as well.
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:24 pm

I an't remember if BA has 3+3 or 2+2 configuration. Whichever it was it was extremely comfortable, even if it did bounce about on approsch into TRN

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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:01 pm

I've been lucky enough to have made 20 flights on BAe 146s (-100, -200, -300) and 54 on Avro RJs (RJ85, RJ100). (With another ARJ to come on 7th July!) Thankfully, almost all flights have been with a five-abreast configuration (on Crossair, Swiss, DAT) and I find that very comfortable. My few flights where the cabin was six-abreast was quite cramped.

I hear it has a comparatively poor record in terms of reliability (though in 74 flights I've never experienced a problem) but as a passenger I love it. Try to get on one - but try to ensure it's five-abreast.

[Edited 2006-06-25 13:08:35]

[Edited 2006-06-25 13:08:57]
 
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RE: BAe 146 Facts

Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:37 pm

This might be the future morphing aircraft  scratchchin  BAE 146

Big version: Width: 280 Height: 186 File size: 107kb
Future morphing aircraft.


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