starstream707
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Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:39 am

I just saw the thread about no more 733s in DL's fleet. I was wondering if the last -200 flight has taken place, and if so, when and where?

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:43 am

There are -200s still in the schedule for the summer...I know PWM is getting a CRJ upgraded to a 737-200 on the CVG-PWM route for the summer in a few days, and I've seen a few in BOS lately (to CVG I believe) and I think GSO gets some through the summer.

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
There are -200s still in the schedule for the summer...I know PWM is getting a CRJ upgraded to a 737-200 on the CVG-PWM route for the summer in a few days, and I've seen a few in BOS lately (to CVG I believe) and I think GSO gets some through the summer.

DeltAirlines,

So I take it that the 732's mainly fly on the east coast now? Mainly to CVG?
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:56 am

Yeah it's been a good month since the last one was here in OKC.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:03 am

DL upgraded DFW-CVG to 2 732 and 2 CR7s from 1 and 3 respectively. Also, today they have 3 732s and 1 CR7.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:18 am

Wait, so let me get this straight? They retired the 737-300 and kept the 737-200? That seems a little....Odd
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 5):
Wait, so let me get this straight? They retired the 737-300 and kept the 737-200? That seems a little....Odd

Both types are on their way out at DL......the 733s left first mainly because the 733 fleet was smaller, and DL terminated the 733 glass cockpit aircraft leases pursuant to its bankruptcy proceeding.

Quick note - some of DL's 732s are actually newer than their 733s. Western picked up some of last 732s built, this batch of 732s were built and delivered after WA received its 733s. (This was part of a deal by which Western cancelled its order for the 762).
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:01 am

DL flies ATL-JAN on a 737-200 once or twice daily.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:51 am

They are a regular here in STL.
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:01 am

Saw one in DFW a few weeks ago.
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 2):
So I take it that the 732's mainly fly on the east coast now? Mainly to CVG?

All -200s are now based on the East Coast...believe crews are based out of CVG and ATL. I haven't passed through CVG since August (I'm on a streak of about 20 straight ATL layovers right now), but each time I pass through ATL, there are a few 737-200s running around. I'd think ATL has slightly more 737-200 movements, but probably just because the size of the ATL hub in comparison to the CVG hub (about 5x more mainline movements at least at ATL than CVG).

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
Both types are on their way out at DL......the 733s left first mainly because the 733 fleet was smaller, and DL terminated the 733 glass cockpit aircraft leases pursuant to its bankruptcy proceeding.

Plus DL was able to renegotiate new, extremely low leasing rates for their 732s, something like only $15k a month, if that number is correct (MD-80 is $120K).
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:50 pm

We still get 2 a day in ROC,though the late flight will change to an MD88 next week ! No mad dogs in ROC for 3 years.


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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:01 pm

When did DL retire the 737-300?
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 13):
When did DL retire the 737-300?

I believe it was sometime in May.

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:18 pm

There were only 13 737-347's to begin with. The other 737-300's were leased on high rates and had glass cockpits requiring different crew scheduling. After 9/11, the glass cockpit aircraft were parked in Victorville, but were returned to service on the Shuttle when the loads didnt justify the 737-800, and Leo and Co. were experimenting with all coach service from ATL to HOU, MDW, and SRQ. By parking less aircraft, Delta was able to eliminate two types where the fleet was small. If the lease rates on the 732's are as low as reported above, they may stay around for awhile, although in today's environment, they must be gas guzzlers.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 5):
They retired the 737-300 and kept the 737-200? That seems a little....Odd

Kinda like NW getting rid of the MD-80's and keeping the DC-9's
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 15):
they must be gas guzzlers

If the leasing rates are really as low as stated above, they can guzzle gas as much as they want. They are fairly new (the oldest 737-232Adv is mfd 1983 AFAIK), MX shouldn`t cost that much and they seem to be the best A/C for such short hops. A 738 would simply be too large as an upgrade on former CRJ routes.

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:53 pm

As of 07JUN06 DL has 18 active B737-200s in the fleet. DLs schedule changes big time starting tomorrow so within the next week there might be more retirements.

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 2):
So I take it that the 732's mainly fly on the east coast now? Mainly to CVG?

All -200s are now based on the East Coast...believe crews are based out of CVG and ATL.

At present, any DL 732 seen at PHL are ATL flights. At one time, DL did fly the 732 on its CVG-PHL route; my only DL 732 Flight was a CVG-PHL back in August 2003.
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:08 am

Ive heard rumors that all the 732s will be gone come September. That would suprise me since the lease prices are a fraction of what they were, and inside the aircraft arent that bad. Im guessing the gas guzzling and more commonality still outweights the lease savings.
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:12 am

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 12):
We still get 2 a day in ROC,though the late flight will change to an MD88 next week ! No mad dogs in ROC for 3 years.

YAAAHOOO, about time we start getting more mainline varities in ROC. So when delta fazes out the 732's, are the present flights serverd by the 732 going to be mad dogs?
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Plus DL was able to renegotiate new, extremely low leasing rates for their 732s, something like only $15k a month, if that number is correct

That's cheap, but then its not surprising when there is almost no used market for 737-200s. It is better to keep them flying at a ridiculously low rate than send them to the desert. I hear the desert does not pay very high lease rates, and in fact pays negative lease rates.  Smile  Smile
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:34 am

Baw,the 732 flight that arrived around 10PM will be an MD88 starting 6-8 . The 4PM 732 arrival will be a 732 for now. The MD88 will depart @ 8AM,the 732 will depart aound 5PM.
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11):
Plus DL was able to renegotiate new, extremely low leasing rates for their 732s, something like only $15k a month, if that number is correct (MD-80 is $120K).

actually, Delta was able to do much better than 120K for the 88s.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 22):
That's cheap, but then its not surprising when there is almost no used market for 737-200s. It is better to keep them flying at a ridiculously low rate than send them to the desert. I hear the desert does not pay very high lease rates, and in fact pays negative lease rates.

Indeed. Better make $180k by keeping a plane flying for another year, or rather a whole load of them, than having to pay a few thousands bucks for storing them in the desert or cutting them up. Sure, they will be cut up one day, but until then, try to squeeze out every dollar possible.

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 24):
actually, Delta was able to do much better than 120K for the 88s.

Didn't know about that. So I take it the $120K is what DL paid prior to renegotiating? And what's the current rate, $75K or somewhere in that area?
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:12 am

Question here.... Why would DL stop flying the B737-300's and keep the 200's?

Wouldn't the 200's be more expensive to operate the the 300's?????

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:02 am

There were some ubsurd lease rates on those -200's for awhile, some of them as much as 200,000K a month I've heard- outrageous. No wonder we were in a pinch huh?

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 26):
Question here.... Why would DL stop flying the B737-300's and keep the 200's?

Wouldn't the 200's be more expensive to operate the the 300's?????

Has all been explained in the 25 replies above, might be worth reading them.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:44 pm

Here in PVD, our 4:40ish, CVG flight is a 732 everyday but Sat, and Tue, although we have seen one on a Tue, 2 weeks ago. I've seen in the summer schedule that our CVG overnight that is now a CRJ70, will be upgraded to a 732, sometime soon. I believe come the end of this month. (I can't wait for that, I hate working the CRJs)

Not really sure what DL is going to replace them with, as there isn't any other aircraft in their fleet that has similiar capacity. We'll wait and see I guess.

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:05 pm

OKC is seeing two or three daily 732 right now. Once in the morning, afternoon, and evening. (been mixed on the serivce lately between 88's and 200's)I've gotta get a pic of these birds soon. Anyone have schedules for JUL/AUG/SEPT? I will catch a ride if I can.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
Ive heard rumors that all the 732s will be gone come September.

Where can I find the schedules? It seems like someone was saying they knew about the schedules in another thread about this.

Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 18):
As of 07JUN06 DL has 18 active B737-200s in the fleet. DLs schedule changes big time starting tomorrow so within the next week there might be more retirements.

Are there less than 18 left now?
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:12 pm

The 200's are gone in sept. from whitehurst himself. Schedules are not yet updated. They are activley looking at more 88's and 75's to replace them. More DCI if they are not here soon.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:23 pm

Quoting Starstream707 (Reply 30):
Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 18):
As of 07JUN06 DL has 18 active B737-200s in the fleet. DLs schedule changes big time starting tomorrow so within the next week there might be more retirements.

Are there less than 18 left now?

DL retired 1 more so they now have only 17 B732s left. No more are showing as retirement flts yet.
This is as of 20JUN06 @ 0615EST

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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:12 pm

Hi,

Anyone able to confirm from this list which ones were retired recently?

N236WA
N237WA
N238WA
N243WA
N245WA
N301DL
N302DL
N303DL
N305DL
N306DL
N308DL
N309DL
N311DL
N314DA
N319DL
N324DL
N329DL
N373DL
N375DL
N376DL

Thanks
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:42 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 25):
So I take it the $120K is what DL paid prior to renegotiating? And what's the current rate, $75K or somewhere in that area?

I've heard the 88s are down to about $85K a month.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 34):
I've heard the 88s are down to about $85K a month.

Not bad, saving $35K per plane for a fleet of 57, that certainly adds up. Cheers for the info Big grin .
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 35):
saving $35K per plane for a fleet of 57,

Delta has 116 MD-88s now. We had 120, but 4 are still grounded while the leases are being worked out via the BK process.
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 36):
Delta has 116 MD-88s now. We had 120, but 4 are still grounded while the leases are being worked out via the BK process.

I see. Has DL ever contemplated selling their owned MD-88s to a lessor and leasing them back like they have done with the 732s?
 
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:09 pm

Quoting KevOC3 (Reply 31):
The 200's are gone in sept. from whitehurst himself. Schedules are not yet updated. They are activley looking at more 88's and 75's to replace them. More DCI if they are not here soon.

I sure hope they get there hands on more. I hate the idea of more DCI flying in the Delta network.
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RE: Last DL 732 Flight?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:52 pm

Is there going to be a retirement ceremony for the last 732 flight like WN had at DAL back in '05?

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