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First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:59 pm

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19378059-23349,00.html

From the above article -

"SYDNEY has beaten London to become the world's first destination for a scheduled service by one of the new double-decker Airbus A380 superjumbo planes."

"Singapore Airlines expects to take delivery of the first commercial aircraft in November and to begin flights to Sydney in December."

"The airline confirmed yesterday its first flight would be into Sydney and said Singapore-Sydney would be its first route when scheduled services started, probably in late December."

What very good news!!
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:51 pm

Having flown SQ from SIN - SYD on a jam packed 744 in November 2004 (which isnt quite in the peak season) I would say if any route was going to beat SIN-LHR it would have been SIN-SYD.

I think its mainly due to the high number of Europeans who travel via SIN down to OZ!!
 
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:00 pm

Thats good news.
From my previous visits to Sydney Airport i saw some construction happening. I was wondering if the A380 gate facilites were still being built or were they finished being built??
 
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:38 pm

I wonder what SQ have to say about this ?

When I worked for SQ they always said that LHR was its flagship route and that whatever new aircraft they have, they always put it onto the LHR route first..
obviously this doesnt include the shorter haul models such as the 757 and the Airbus 310's...
But if you look back the 747-200,300,400 have all been put into service on the LHR route and If I remeber correctly so was the DC-10.

I also remember them telling me after the initial order that they had already planned from the getgo that LHR would get it first....

hmmmm interesting...

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:02 pm

Did LHR get the A45 1st... don't think so!

Anyway you will see the A380 long before we do in Hong Kong.
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 4):
Did LHR get the A45 1st... don't think so!

Yeah Sorry about that.... thats shut me up !
hahaha... I forgot those !!
Ok these A345 birds, wernt they specifically designated for NYC/LAX routes tho ?
Also the previous Airbus 340's (cant remember if they were 200s or 300's )that they sold to Boeing, I do believe they didnt come to LHR also, so I apologise for my mis-info their...
But as far as Im aware the rest of my statement is still correct ..

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:32 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 3):
I wonder what SQ have to say about this ?

Reading the article, SQ chose SYD over LHR because...

"We've decided on Sydney for two reasons," airline spokesman Stephen Forshaw said. "Firstly, the aircraft flight time is shorter than London. And the crewing requirements are lower than for London - we require a double crew to do London flights and the turnaround time for crew is longer for London than it is for Sydney."

In reality, I imagine it's to stick it to Qantas. SQ will have the media and the publicity and when QF introduce the place, it'll be 'ho hum, old news'. Considering there's no UK airline to stick it to, that's why SYD was chosen. Purely marketing!
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:35 pm

One other reason for SYD getting the A380 first is that its obviously much nearer to SIN so if there are any technical issues then the aircraft is much nearer to its home base than if it were flying to LHR.

Just my  twocents  worth.
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:00 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
In reality, I imagine it's to stick it to Qantas. SQ will have the media and the publicity and when QF introduce the place, it'll be 'ho hum, old news'. Considering there's no UK airline to stick it to, that's why SYD was chosen. Purely marketing!

Theres a lot of truth in that !!!

good call.
 
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:15 pm

I agree that it's probably a pretty good stick to Qantas to fly to Sydney first.

It begs the questions though, what do you think QF will do in response? When do they put their A380s into service? Do they hit back by going directly after Singapore and London?
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 9):
It begs the questions though, what do you think QF will do in response? When do they put their A380s into service? Do they hit back by going directly after Singapore and London?

Id assume they put it onto a trans pacific route, be the first on that journey ..
failing that then perhaps the SYD-SIN-LHR leg
 
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
In reality, I imagine it's to stick it to Qantas. SQ will have the media and the publicity and when QF introduce the place, it'll be 'ho hum, old news'. Considering there's no UK airline to stick it to, that's why SYD was chosen. Purely marketing!

Yes, this is retaliation over the denial of SYD-LAX rights.

SQ's original plan was to introduce the WhaleJet on SQ1/SQ2 SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SFO, however, it turned out not to have the promised payload/range performance to fly the SFO-HKG sector year-round with a commercially viable payload. The second plan was SQ317/SQ322 SIN-LHR-SIN, which is now the second flight pair that will get the WhaleJet. SIN-SYD-SIN is the third and current plan.
 
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
"We've decided on Sydney for two reasons," airline spokesman Stephen Forshaw said. "Firstly, the aircraft flight time is shorter than London. And the crewing requirements are lower than for London - we require a double crew to do London flights and the turnaround time for crew is longer for London than it is for Sydney."

What does this mean--Do they need a double crew for LHR currently or did they mean that on the 380 they would need a double crew. Do they deadhead crews to LHR now?
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:47 pm

[quote=Zvezda,reply=11]it turned out not to have the promised payload/range performance to fly the SFO-HKG sector year-round with a commercially viable payload.

Zvezda, could you provide me with a link where this statement has been
officially confirmed? I'd like to know more about this issue.
( please do not link me to posts where Philsquares claims this, but official
info from either Airbus or SQ)

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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
What does this mean--Do they need a double crew for LHR currently or did they mean that on the 380 they would need a double crew. Do they deadhead crews to LHR now?

I presume they mean that crew who fly SIN-LHR need more rest than SIN-SYD crew due to the length of duty, plus the fact that they'd need 2 crews for the flight because of duty hours limitations.
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting DrP (Reply 14):
I presume they mean that crew who fly SIN-LHR need more rest than SIN-SYD crew due to the length of duty, plus the fact that they'd need 2 crews for the flight because of duty hours limitations.

I imagine so. SIN-SYD is just under 8 hours, while SIN-LHR is around 13 hours. As it'll be the first aircraft in service, I imagine the 380 trained crew pool will be relatively small. It's easier to schedule the shorter flight.
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Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:56 pm

VHVXB

Thats good news.
From my previous visits to Sydney Airport i saw some construction happening. I was wondering if the A380 gate facilites were still being built or were they finished being built??


Yes, currently 1 bay is complete capable of handling the A380 from both lower & upper decks..Work is well underway on the 2nd A380 capable bay which is bay 21 if I am not mistaken....When work is complete Sydney will have a total of 4 A380 bays...

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:06 am

Forgive me for being behind, but why only four bays? How many A380s has QF ordered? Wouldn't they have to anticipate more than 4 of these bohemoths at a time?
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 17):
Forgive me for being behind, but why only four bays? How many A380s has QF ordered? Wouldn't they have to anticipate more than 4 of these bohemoths at a time?

Qantas has ordered 12 plus 12 options. I wouldn't expect more than four on the ground at gates at once. You have to remember that they'll be away in other cities as well. Obviously if four isn't enough, they'll make more.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 19):
Qantas has ordered 12 plus 12 options. I wouldn't expect more than four on the ground at gates at once. You have to remember that they'll be away in other cities as well. Obviously if four isn't enough, they'll make more.

Well at the later stage it seems inevitable SYD airport will have to accomodate
more then 4 A380's at a time, if you consider the QF fleet and also others
flying into SYD with the A380(SQ,MH,EK,TG?,KE?,)

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:23 am

Correction guys.....
Bay 23 is the 2nd bay with work well under way to be able to handle the A380....
3rd bay I believe will be bay 33 & lucky last will be bay 34 (the 2 bays BA010 & BA016 operate from)......

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:25 am

Exactly my point, Cedric.

What to do if there are six of them on the ground at the same time. Unloading those things is going to take forever. I deplaned from the back of a B737 last week and it took nearly 25 minutes after the doors opened.

Can you imagine being stuck on the tarmac after a 16 1/2 hr. flight from LAX waiting for two or three A380s to empty and clear the gate in front of you?

It'd be mutiny.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines expects to take delivery of the first commercial aircraft in November

Wasn't there just a thread about Airbus stating aircraft would not be delivered to SQ until the end of the year? Sounds like Singapore received a positive update on date of delivery.
 
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:27 am

Doesn't it typically take some time for an airline to introduce a new aircraft into the fleet for training purposes and all. They are only waiting a month before commericial service starts. That seems rather short especially considering the A380.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 23):
Wasn't there just a thread about Airbus stating aircraft would not be delivered to SQ until the end of the year? Sounds like Singapore received a positive update on date of delivery.

Well, November is still the end of the year. The first revenue flight is expected at the end of December.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 22):
What to do if there are six of them on the ground at the same time. Unloading those things is going to take forever.

Interestingly enough, if you look at all the pics that EK413 took, you can only see two QF 744s at most on the ground at one time. This is when they fly 35 747s. I don't think it's going to be such a big issue for quite a while yet.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 22):

What to do if there are six of them on the ground at the same time. Unloading those things is going to take forever. I deplaned from the back of a B737 last week and it took nearly 25 minutes after the doors opened.

In that case you should be happy that it wasn't a FR flight. After 25 minutes you would already have been on the way back home  biggrin 

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 23):
Wasn't there just a thread about Airbus stating aircraft would not be delivered to SQ until the end of the year? Sounds like Singapore received a positive update on date of delivery.

November for first jet, December for first route has been the plan for a LONG time now. Nothing has changed, but as we get closer to those dates, they move from the "promise" category to the "reality" column.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 11):
SIN-SYD-SIN is the third and current plan.

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:23 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 11):
Yes, this is retaliation over the denial of SYD-LAX rights

Not necessarily, there are plenty of good reasons to choose SYD first over LHR etc regardless of the Oz-US traffic rights as this thread has demonstrated. Personally I think that beating QF to SYD with the A380 is the main one.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:24 am

ClassicLover, if that is your real name, look at picture #4. (sorry having fun)

I count seven different B747s from five different carriers.

This will surely happen with A380s if and when Airbus hits their sales goals for the region. Again, there will only be four bays. What then?
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 30):
This will surely happen with A380s if and when Airbus hits their sales goals for the region. Again, there will only be four bays. What then?

At this point, we only know that QF and SQ will operate the A380 in Sydney. At this point, four bays will be enough.

Obviously if the A380 becomes the aircraft of choice around the world, the people at Sydney Airport will have to get some more A380 gates  Smile Perhaps it should be remote stands with 500 people just walking across the tarmac to the gate. I know it'd be a sight to see!  Smile
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:10 am

Wouldn't an airline normally use a new type on regional flights for crew familiarization? I remember SQ used the 345 to JKT long before LAX.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting KLMcedric (Reply 13):
but official
info from either Airbus or SQ)

It is unlikely that Airbus would confirm this change of plan by SQ!
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 22):
Exactly my point, Cedric.

What to do if there are six of them on the ground at the same time. Unloading those things is going to take forever. I deplaned from the back of a B737 last week and it took nearly 25 minutes after the doors opened.

Can you imagine being stuck on the tarmac after a 16 1/2 hr. flight from LAX waiting for two or three A380s to empty and clear the gate in front of you?

It'd be mutiny.

This is the tip of the Iceberg. Let's see just how much the public enjoys flying on the Whales.

IMO, it's going to take a loooong time to tune the boarding and deplaning of these beasts, if ever.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:34 am

I'm not just blowing smoke either, I've done LAX-SYD twice before and each time we were delayed after landing, before getting to the gate. Once, they didn't have a jetway for us, another time, the cabin door wouldn't open fully.

Each time it was a 30+ minute delay and everyone on the plane was up in arms. Flight attendants were being cursed, and a group of young guys started chanting. I thought for a while there was going to be a riot.

Although it would be incredible to see, I doubt they would take ClassicLover's advice and let the masses spill out on the tarmac.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 34):
IMO, it's going to take a loooong time to tune the boarding and deplaning of these beasts, if ever.

If ever? So you fear that passengers have to stay on board forever once they have entered?  Yeah sure

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:35 am

IMO, it's going to take a loooong time to tune the boarding and deplaning of these beasts, if ever.

Only at US Airports maybe ? Who seem to be reluctant to change / investment and maybe even a scent of desire to see the plane fail.
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 10):
Quoting EasternSon (Reply 9):
It begs the questions though, what do you think QF will do in response? When do they put their A380s into service? Do they hit back by going directly after Singapore and London?

Id assume they put it onto a trans pacific route, be the first on that journey ..
failing that then perhaps the SYD-SIN-LHR leg

QF will recive its firts A380 MSN14 in April 07. Services should start in May/June 07 on MEL-LAX. SYD-LAX will follow.

See http://www.qantas.com.au/info/about/company/A380

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 2):
I was wondering if the A380 gate facilites were still being built or were they finished being built??

I went to a talk the other night delivered by the project manager of the A380 extensions. The work is still continuing but is expected to be finished in August.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 9):
It begs the questions though, what do you think QF will do in response?

Singapore or Bangkok.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 16):
When work is complete Sydney will have a total of 4 A380 bays...

Actually there will be six bays. Sydney will be one of the few A380 airports to use triple aerobridges as well. Melbourne and London have only opted for two.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 35):
I'm not just blowing smoke either, I've done LAX-SYD twice before and each time we were delayed after landing, before getting to the gate. Once, they didn't have a jetway for us, another time, the cabin door wouldn't open fully.

Delays are not that common in Sydney. For an airport of its "tiny" size, and high no of movements for its size, it does quite well.

I think a few things about Sydney Airport have to be stressed:

1. Sydney Airport is the oldest international airport in the world.
2. Sydney Airport is the smallest international airport in Australia and among the smallest major airports globally

Both of these combined will show that any construction changes to Sydney are quite difficult given the space and antiquated facilities. Melbourne's A380 work has already finished but there was far less to do - and in one case, they simply closed a runway down; something that we couldn't do in Sydney, even though we have a jet curfew between 23:00-06:00.

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 30):
ClassicLover, if that is your real name, look at picture #4. (sorry having fun)

I count seven different B747s from five different carriers.

I count eight 747's.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
Considering there's no UK airline to stick it to, that's why SYD was chosen.

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Heathrow (Reply 41):
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 6):
Considering there's no UK airline to stick it to, that's why SYD was chosen.

VS

VS dont operate LHR-SIN except as a code share on SQ!!! So there is no UK airline to stick it to.

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:10 pm

Anyone from A.net going to be on one of the initial flights? I heard something a while ago that SQ was having some sort of lottery to see who would be able to get on the first revenue flight.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 9):
It begs the questions though, what do you think QF will do in response? When do they put their A380s into service? Do they hit back by going directly after Singapore and London?

neither, Qantas will utilise it's first A380 on the Melbourne-Los Angeles route, gradually expanding it to Sydney-Los Angeles and eventually London, London probably won't come online with the A380 for a few years down the track. It was well known last year the SQ would send the A380 to Sydney first...been many threads on it in here.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 44):
Qantas will utilise it's first A380 on the Melbourne-Los Angeles route, gradually expanding it to Sydney-Los Angeles and eventually London,

Why Melbourne-LAX before Sydney-LAX?
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 45):
Why Melbourne-LAX

becuase Melbourne was first ready for the A380 and it also set's a record for a certain amount of passengers over the longest distance nonstop.

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/us/press/1057
 
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:53 pm

ClassicLover

At this point, we only know that QF and SQ will operate the A380 in Sydney. At this point, four bays will be enough.


Emirates Airlines will be operating up to 2 A380's on a daily basis into Sydney...Virgin Atlantic will upgrade the A340-642 service to a A380-841 as soon as they take delivery the beast in late 2009....(Richard Branson clearly made this statement when he commenced services to Sydney in late 2005)

Glennstewart

Actually there will be six bays.


Don't mind me asking when they decided to convert 6 bays?

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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:42 pm

Does anyone know which flights will operate SIN SYD SIN sectors. My bet is on for SYD SIN is the late afternoon flight!
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RE: First A380 Route - SQ SIN-SYD In December

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:23 pm

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Does anyone know which flights will operate SIN SYD SIN sectors. My bet is on for SYD SIN is the late afternoon flight!


I believe the SQ222 will be the 1st A380 service but don't quote me on that!

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