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Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:22 am

Does anyone know of aircraft that have outdated IFE?

I can think of one. Delta's domestic 767-300 IFE is quite outdated. The channel and volume controls are analog dials, and the quality of the projection screens show that they are in need of replacement. Luckily, Delta intends to install PTVs, so new screens will be added, as well as new digital channel/volume controls.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:47 am

Apparently ThomsonFly still have some aircraft with outdated IFE's.
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:04 am

UA 744; no PTV in Y, the only 2 aisle plane in the UA international fleet without it. It still uses 3 tube CRT projectors. UA was planning to upgrade the systems, but ran out of money, long before Ch. 11, so they are probably just going to use the 744s as is until they are retired.
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:09 am

Any of NW's domestic 'planes... no IFE at all.

I don't get it how NW can charge $900 one-way for a flight from DTW/MSP to, say, LAX, and not offer you any IFE... not even a movie on those old screens or music.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:15 am

Most aircrafts in the US and Europe have outdated IFEs. My standard of outdated IFEs are anything without PTVs or without any personal visual+audio entertainment device (so Business Class at UA's P.S would not count as having outdated IFEs as each person gets a DVD player, despite the fact there is no PTVs)
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting Superhub (Reply 4):
Most aircrafts in the US and Europe have outdated IFEs. My standard of outdated IFEs are anything without PTVs or without any personal visual+audio entertainment device (so Business Class at UA's P.S would not count as having outdated IFEs as each person gets a DVD player, despite the fact there is no PTVs)

The Rockwell-Collins system on Delta's 767-400ERs are not THAT outdated, they use LCD screens (although they are losing quality) and they have Airshow.

Anyone know of other aircraft with analog dials as IFE controls?

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:51 am

Thomsonfly and Monarch Airlines both have VERY outdated IFE systems for this technological age. Talking more about the long haul aircraft though.
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:05 am

how much does it cost to install a reasonable IFE system on a medium sized aircraft?
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:21 am

Once I was flying AA SJC-AUS (MD80) and the copy of American Way Magazine was 2 months old. Very outdated IFE!  Smile
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:26 am

Ryanair's IFE is quite outdated, seems to consist of some kind of sticker at the back of every seat showing the safety instructions. Would keep you entertained for some seconds, according to how fast you can read...
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:26 am

Yeah, on NW 757s the equipment is there to have audio and movies, but they aren't used. Passengers who aren't used to flying NW usually expect a movie to be shown, only to have the screens black the entire flight. I think on the older 757s, the unused audio controls are dials.

Of course there are the HP A320s with ancient, unused "PTVs" in the headrests - but fortunately drop-down screens replace them.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Destinations (Reply 6):
Thomsonfly and Monarch Airlines both have VERY outdated IFE systems for this technological age. Talking more about the long haul aircraft though.

Well as for TOM, their 757 fleet will have been updated in time for Summer 06 (LCD screens in aisle playing analogue video with in-seat audio) - Although when I flew on them last August with this new set-up the screens looked more like CRTs with a shallower depth rather than LCD..... (not an expert though!)

And MON, well its probably just the 757s and early A320s that are in need of an update and i'm assuming the 757s are leaving soon....
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 11):
Well as for TOM, their 757 fleet will have been updated in time for Summer 06 (LCD screens in aisle playing analogue video with in-seat audio) - Although when I flew on them last August with this new set-up the screens looked more like CRTs with a shallower depth rather than LCD..... (not an expert though!)

And MON, well its probably just the 757s and early A320s that are in need of an update and i'm assuming the 757s are leaving soon....

I was thinking about the A330 and A300 that are used long haul for Monarch with CRT screens centre and Thomsonfly B767-300 which a similar arrangement.
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:22 am

I guess with all these outdated IFE systems around, I'll be a busy guy over the next few years.

Honestly, the way that customer opinions are being reported, anything other than AVOD is outdated.

The next generation of AVOD will be incredibly exciting though.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:09 pm

JL B747-200B and B747-300 to some extent.

No PTVs on the B747-200B whatsoever. I was sitting on C class and they only had portable DVD players that they handed out. The problem was that they forgot to recharge them at YVR so they were out of battery. So no IFE whatsoever. I felt like a moron flying on the C class of that thing. So I hate and drank and went to sleep.

The B747-300 don't have PTVs in Y but I guess the UA 744 are in a similar condition so I won't procrastinate on that one.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:49 pm

Some of Etihad's leased A330s (A6-EYA,-B,-X) have an outdated IFE of the former airline TAM oder Volare (I don't know exactly which one it was).

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:34 am

Lufthansa does not offer PTV´s on long-haul flights in Y-class, they have screens at the ceiling and you have like 24 audio-channels.
As for intra european flights, you do not have any IFE at all, not even music-programs.
Their newest long-haul additions (A340-600 and A33-300) have the spaces for PTV´s inside the seats, but there is nothing in there  Confused


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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:17 am

Does anybody why such a big carrier like LH doesn't offer PTV on their flights?
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
Does anybody why such a big carrier like LH doesn't offer PTV on their flights?

Well, installing PTV´s does cost a lot, the airline has to maintain them and the system has to be flown around with the aircraft, therefore making it more heavy. Lufthansa has great loads on their flights and there is no indication whatsoever, that pax choose not to fly them, because they do not have PTV´s. (this goes for "normal" passengers and not aviation nutters like us a.netters  Wink )
Therefore, they see no need to install them, they try to keep their costs as low as possible and as long as there is no sign, that the pax are avoiding LH because the do not have PTV´s, LH is not going to change this.
I am sad about this, since PTV´s make travelling by air much more comfortable, especially in y-class, but I just fly with other Star Alliance carriers, who offer this service.

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:15 am

So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 19):
So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?

From the ones I have tried :
Swiss on A330-200s and A340-300s
BA on B747-400s and 777-200s
AF on 777s, A330s and 747s ( not sure if on all 747s )
KLM on 777s and A330-200s
OA on A340-300s
Austrian on A330-200s and A340-300s (? )
AZ I think on their 777s
IB I think on their A340-600s - not sure about their 747s or A340-300s
LH ( in Business & First )
I do not know much about US airlines transatlantic as it would not be my first choice currently and if I have to I will probably chose for UA, as I flew them from SYD to LAX and their service was fine.

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 19):
So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:00 am

Air Canada's A345s, E175s, E190s and new CRJ (long ones) have PTV in Y and J. The A330/340 also have spaces for PTV but nothing is installed.

El Al 777 and 747 also have PTV in all classes or so I heard.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting LH492 (Reply 16):
Their newest long-haul additions (A340-600 and A33-300) have the spaces for PTV´s inside the seats, but there is nothing in there

It's the perfect place to put my private IFE.

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting GBan (Reply 23):
It's the perfect place to put my private IFE.

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Anyone know of other aircraft with analog dials as IFE controls?

NW's DC-10s, at least some of them.

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:42 am

what about those hand held PTV like the ones you can get on Maxjet? any other airline offer them, any idea's as to thier cost?

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:14 am

Every time I get on a LH flight in coach, it seems that I'm too far from the LCD in front of me, and too close to the one right next to me to view either of them. This sucks. I have to fly often SFO-MUC on the beautiful, gleaming, brand-new 346, and it just seems like a big deficiency for an airline of otherwise impressive quality.

Unfortunately, it's the only nonstop option for me.
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:20 pm

How is the IFE on AZ 767s?
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting Olympicbis (Reply 20):
IB I think on their A340-600s - not sure about their 747s or A340-300s

Iberia does not offer PTV´s in any of their A340-300/600 fleet. The two 747-400s leased from Air Atlanta, which came from Singapore, do although they only show what is being shown on the main screen. The A340-600s offer large LCD screens in the middle row of the cabin and show two movies as well as the tail camrea view. The A340-300s have older monitors that offer the same IFE except minus the tail camrea. In the new Business Plus Iberia offers a great AVOD program with PTV´s.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:27 pm

AA kinda has AVOD on their 763s in J, you can pause/rewind/etc. and you have a choice of 20 movies with a DVD player!

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17):
Does anybody why such a big carrier like LH doesn't offer PTV on their flights?

Lack of domestic competition???

If VS hadn't introduced PTV into Y all those years ago, would BA have PTV in all it's long haul fleet?
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting Curious (Reply 19):
So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?



Quoting Olympicbis (Reply 20):
From the ones I have tried :
Swiss on A330-200s and A340-300s
BA on B747-400s and 777-200s
AF on 777s, A330s and 747s ( not sure if on all 747s )
KLM on 777s and A330-200s
OA on A340-300s
Austrian on A330-200s and A340-300s (? )
AZ I think on their 777s
IB I think on their A340-600s - not sure about their 747s or A340-300s
LH ( in Business & First )
I do not know much about US airlines transatlantic as it would not be my first choice currently and if I have to I will probably chose for UA, as I flew them from SYD to LAX and their service was fine.

Cheers

SK also have PTVs in their A333/343s.
AA have PTVs in their 772s and I think that CO have PTVs in all their 767s and 777s. I also think that US have PTVs in their A333s.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 32):

Delta has PTVs in all classes on the 777 for trans-Atlantic. The 767-400s used on trans-Atlantics have them in the first 7 rows (reservable only by full-fare passengers and Medallions) and the 767-300 ERs have them in BusinessElite.

Domestically, select 757s have PTVs in all classes (ex-Song birds), 767-400s have them in First as well.

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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:47 am

UA has PTVs on their 763s and 777s on international routes.

Which makes for a kind of odd situation for UA. The longest flights in the system do NOT have PTVs (in Y) because they are 744s (LAX-SYD, SFO-SYD, SFO-HKG, ORD-NRT). Meanwhile IAD-BRU has PTVs on a 763!
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:16 am

The VC-10, 707, DC-8, DC-10, DC-9, 727, 737 classic, IL62 (except for that one with LCD displays), IL-86, IL-96, IL-76, Tu-134, Tu-134, 747-100, L1011, MD-80 series, BAe-146/RJ, CRJ series, and that's just the jets in-service that I can think of all have "outdated" IFE. Were you asking about specific companies?
 
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting SDLSimme (Reply 32):
Quoting Curious (Reply 19):So which transatlantic airlines (European or US) offer PTV?


Quoting Olympicbis (Reply 20):From the ones I have tried :
Swiss on A330-200s and A340-300s
BA on B747-400s and 777-200s
AF on 777s, A330s and 747s ( not sure if on all 747s )
KLM on 777s and A330-200s
OA on A340-300s
Austrian on A330-200s and A340-300s (? )
AZ I think on their 777s
IB I think on their A340-600s - not sure about their 747s or A340-300s
LH ( in Business & First )
I do not know much about US airlines transatlantic as it would not be my first choice currently and if I have to I will probably chose for UA, as I flew them from SYD to LAX and their service was fine.

Cheers
SK also have PTVs in their A333/343s.
AA have PTVs in their 772s and I think that CO have PTVs in all their 767s and 777s. I also think that US have PTVs in their A333s.

BA have PTVs on the 767 fleet as well now.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:23 am

Does everyone remember when IFE really didn't exist and people didn't care. Passengers never fussed because they entertained themselves by reading or napping or simply looking out the window.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:15 am

The two UA flights I took two weeks ago (A320 and B733) had totally outdated IFE. I've got two more UA flights in August (B752 and B763), so I'm expecting more outdated IFE, but the ATC channel was nice on the A320, but no ATC on the B733.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 10):
Passengers who aren't used to flying NW usually expect a movie to be shown, only to have the screens black the entire flight

That's where usually flying on NW pays off, you tend to be impressed with just about any airline you fly or see.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:24 am

Can anyone say *Air Canada's* overseas fleet !!!!
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 35):
The VC-10, 707, DC-8, DC-10, DC-9, 727, 737 classic, IL62 (except for that one with LCD displays), IL-86, IL-96, IL-76, Tu-134, Tu-134, 747-100, L1011, MD-80 series, BAe-146/RJ, CRJ series, and that's just the jets in-service that I can think of all have "outdated" IFE. Were you asking about specific companies?

Good point!  Wink

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 37):
Does everyone remember when IFE really didn't exist and people didn't care. Passengers never fussed because they entertained themselves by reading or napping or simply looking out the window.

Long ago... very long ago...
I do however remember when people felt lucky to get a projected movie inflight!

There's a lot of this sort of thing... the main thing by far you pay for when flying is to do just that. Be blasted through the atmosphere at 450-950km/h depending on aircraft + route type.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:51 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 37):
Passengers never fussed because they entertained themselves by reading or napping or simply looking out the window

Ah, those flights over the Atlantic and Pacific, watching the clouds and sea, the hours fly by...not!!!

I think it's known as progress, after all nobody forces you to watch the IFE, but it's nice to have the option...
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 42):
Ah, those flights over the Atlantic and Pacific, watching the clouds and sea, the hours fly by...not!!!

I think it's known as progress, after all nobody forces you to watch the IFE, but it's nice to have the option...

The times I've flown Frontier I didn't pay $5 each leg for TV, I simply read a magazine or looked quietly out the window munching on my snack or relaxed and tried to take a nap. I even have a free DTV coupon I have yet to use and the flights I've took have been 2-2.5hr legs. Should it be the airline's problem if you couldn't entertain yourself? Why not try driving to your next destination or take the train and then tell me how the entertainment was.
What do you think the pilots do on their flights of length, they read (ok some have portable dvd players  Wink or they do power work or just chat. Everything the passengers can do without the need for watching a 5" screen.

Passengers have just been asking for more and more and more but also demanding, lower, lower, lower with the prices. Remember that when an airline states revenue of billions, that doesn't mean they made a penny and all this IFE costs tons of money to install. Be lucky that your airline of choice is still in business.

And on the next trans oceanic flight, try this simple thing, and I really mean it's simple.......close your eyelids for a while, focus out your surroundings and think of where you're going and that it's not taking 2-3 weeks like it use to on a boat or train.
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RE: Aircraft With Outdated IFE

Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 37):
Does everyone remember when IFE really didn't exist and people didn't care. Passengers never fussed because they entertained themselves by reading or napping or simply looking out the window.

Yeh, the good old days. We flow low and slow. When we were not too busy landing and taking off every few hours, throwing up into the little bag (due to air sickness, not alcohol or food poisoning...), we got bored, played cards, read a book, or a magazine, even talked to person next to us (if we were lucky in that area - that is, they were people you wanted to talk to)...But would it have been nice to have alternatives, like watching one of 600 programmes on a modern IFE? Of course we would have! The modern world of international air travel is much improved!
I cared then. I still care. The same care I have now when I decide which airline to travel on - much of the decision (given there are alternatives to choose from) based on such things IFE quality. Entertainment is not a new thing, you know. Nor is the unusual situation of air travel that places one in a long flying metal tube for hour upon hour, imprisoned with a crowd of strangers, most hoping to escape each other and the empirical moment into something, anything, virtual - like a good IFE...