Leneld
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Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:18 am

After 10 years of continuous cargo service, Korean Air cargo has decided to suspend service to Portland as of May,27,2006 and replaced it with Seattle on June 1st......I hope this is not a pattern were going to be seeing with our current international flights in the future. I sure going to miss seeing that big blue 747-400F flying in and out of Portland...Portland has lost several international cargo service over the past few years Nippon Cargo and Cargolux repectively...
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:43 am

Wow, I'm surprised to hear this. I also will miss their 747, one of the precious few that we see here... I wonder what prompted this? I was under the impression that they were doing quite well here.
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:43 am

Wow, I'm surprised. I wonder if Seattle put together some kind of incentive package to draw this service. I, as well, will miss seeing that big pretty blue airplane  Sad
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:47 am

If I had a guess, it looks like it will be heading to SEA instead.

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:52 am

I was told that Korean air called this a simple sound business decision...They could save money by combining both cargo and passenger service out of Seattle.... I guess time will tell...I hope the airport will successfully land a new international cargo service to replace this one..For now, this is probably good news for Air China Cargo....I'm really going to miss seeing it at PDX though...............
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:00 am

I'm not sure who would fill this vacancy though. Are there any other cargo carriers than run transpacific?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:00 am

Well, I have not been on here for a while..Beside this aweful news, which is a blow to Portland, is there any positive news going on at PDX? Are things at least improving on the passenger scene?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:27 am

Lenald: where you been man? Hey, Alaska gave you your Mexico flight!

Sad to see KE pull out the cargo service though!

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:32 am

Boston got the same 'bad news' several years ago. As our only Asian service--ever--it was sad to see them go. Korean Air's flight into and out of Boston was a passenger flight, and I think they tagged Boston onto a JFK or IAD flight.

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:47 am

AS739X.....Well, knock me to the ground with a pair of chopsticks! Alaska airlines is giving us nonstop flights to Mexico......That is awesome news man...... I woulds have thought flights to the east would have been in effect, well before any international destinations would even be considered...My hat goes off for Alaska........I now love the airline agian!
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:50 am

I saw a KE 777 in SEA last month. Is that what they usually run there, and now will they switch it to a 747?
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Leneld (Reply 6):
Are things at least improving on the passenger scene?

AS nonstop to SJD and PVR. I'd say that's a pretty big improvement. Also the new US flight to PHL.

On a side note, will AS be taking a gate in the D concourse to handle these Mexico arrivals?
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 10):
I saw a KE 777 in SEA last month. Is that what they usually run there, and now will they switch it to a 747?

They fly a pax 777 4x weekly
The 744 will be a cargo version
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:39 am

Chugach: I'll check on that gate situation tonight when I get to work. We have a few PDX managers at LAX right now. Let you know.

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:50 am

Trans Pacific air freight demand has leveled out in the last year or so, as the well publicized West Coast port issues have passed, and the cost of air transport increases.

With facility capacity increases at most West Coast Ports (particularly in Los Angeles-Long Beach), coupled with continued air freight hikes due fuel surcharges the lower costs of ocean transport become more and more attractive than air.
Shipping capacity has also increased in the last few years with many new ships coming on line, and some companies like Hawaii's Matson also entering the Trans-Pacific market.
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:17 am

Laxintl......I never thought about the oceanic shipping factor on the west coast...Well as a spotter, I hope Air China Cargo picks up the slack by adding more frequencies in the future............
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:32 am

Too bad the Korean plane was so much more attractive.
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:41 am

HPRamper......With the new merger with Us Air, does the airline plan to add destinations from PDX to some of the others US hubs?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:10 am

Chugach: That is the plan according to the PDX manager we have hear right now. Plans are being talked over since it still a little time out, but a D concourse arrival and tow. The departure to Mexico will be form the Alaska gates.

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:27 am

AS739X....Does Alaska eventually plan to head east out of PDX in the future?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting Leneld (Reply 17):
HPRamper......With the new merger with Us Air, does the airline plan to add destinations from PDX to some of the others US hubs?

I would bet money on it, but it's very hush hush in planning right now. Lots of talk about Boston right now, and also hearing CLT and an additional PHL. Nothing for sure yet.
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:40 am

HPRamper.....Wow...........Just the thought of it intriques me..If it does happen, I think PDX will be wellserved to the east for years to come.........US Airways one day could have more flights than Delta today out of PDX.....This airline industry is way to unpredictable...........
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting AS739X (Reply 18):
Chugach: That is the plan according to the PDX manager we have hear right now. Plans are being talked over since it still a little time out, but a D concourse arrival and tow. The departure to Mexico will be form the Alaska gates.

Cool, thanks man. I suppose that makes the most sense. I think AS is going to have a surefire winner on those routes...I bet the ANC-PDX redeye will be even more packed than usual next winter with the connections!
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting Leneld (Reply 21):
HPRamper.....Wow...........Just the thought of it intriques me..If it does happen, I think PDX will be wellserved to the east for years to come.........US Airways one day could have more flights than Delta today out of PDX.....This airline industry is way to unpredictable...........

We already have more flights than DL. They have more capacity I believe running 757s and usually a 767 daily through, but we are working on that as well. A year ago HP at PDX was a mix of mostly 737s with one or two A319, and a couple Mesa RJs. Now it has been built up to 2-4 A320 daily and the rest 737 and A319, with no RJs.

[Edited 2006-06-07 06:24:17]
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:40 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 23):
We already have more flights than DL

I count 12 flights a day for DL:
4 to ATL
2 to CVG
6 to SLC

ans 9 flights a day for US:
5 to PHX
3 to LAS
1 to PHL

Am I missing anything?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:11 pm

Sorry, I was only counting mainline. For example, today DL shows 3 ATL, 2 CVG, and 2 SLC mainline but with four additional frequencies to SLC on regional planes. So yes, if you count those DL still has more flights, sorry for the confusion. I am happy to see the DL 767s are back at PDX, is this temporary for summer or permanent?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:11 am

I don't understand why UPS doesn't move into one of the newer warehouses. They don't even have a warehouse at PDX. They have a pretty large operation here at PDX. I think the POP should add a taxiway, and build a parking ramp at the old Delta cargo warehouse. That would give UPS a nice large facility.
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting N757KW (Reply 3):
If I had a guess, it looks like it will be heading to SEA instead.

That was stated in the thread starter...
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:52 am

That's a really good idea about the Delta cargo building. I think the only issue is room for parking aircraft, often UPS has three aircraft at the terminal at once....B767, A300 and occasionally 757. Those take up a lot of room, and Delta cargo was never designed to be used that way. The POP would have to lay down a full new apron. Would it affect the economy parking lots at all? I'm not sure what is directly to the east of the ex-Delta building.

Also, the 28R-10L is not used very much for heavy or cargo flights because it isn't nearly as long as the south runway. Perhaps when it is lengthened UPS will think more seriously about it. Nobody would want to burn all that fuel taxiing from Delta cargo to either end of 28L-10R.

I was pretty sure they had some sort of warehouse here though. Do they just unload and truck everything to Swan Island or what?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:22 am

HPRamper, I would venture to guess that at a airport the size of PDX, UPS could care less where on the airport the facility is. Regardless if you have to taxi to the longer runway its not that far and if they wanted the old DL hanger, they would buy it. Looks to me they'd have more issues with ramp space for the A/C. The 8,000 feet (28L/10R) is more then enough for a 757/767 headed to anywhere in the US. I think your right more about the ramp space for the A/C they have there at the same time.

It also just may be their choice. They often have 2 planes on the ground here at LGB, yet only have a little shck of a building. They may not want to spend the money also.

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:36 am

Just a question re: the cargo situation at PDX.

What are/were these foreign cargo carriers transporting? Any export articles from Portland that need to be exported by plane?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:58 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 10):
I saw a KE 777 in SEA last month. Is that what they usually run there, and now will they switch it to a 747?

Unlikely. Asiana also runs SEA-ICN, so I doubt there's a need to add capacity to the route.


Might this switch have anything to do with the fact that KE operates passenger service to SEA?
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Mozart (Reply 30):
What are/were these foreign cargo carriers transporting? Any export articles from Portland that need to be exported by plane?

Nike and Intel supply a lot of cargo to these carriers. There are also automotive parts manufacturers, and a lot of high-tech industry like Wafertech and Siltronic. I've seen a lot of random items go on the 747s including a Lotus automobile and shortly after the big tsunami in Southeast Asia, loads of humanitarian supplies.
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:52 am

I used to crush boxes @ PDX for UPS. There is a sort facility there and I don't think they'd gain much by getting more space. As it stands now (and by now I mean 5 years ago when I worked there) cans were either transfered directly to trucks to be transported to other cities/local sort facilities or brought to "the hub" where there were sorted and repacked into other cans to be reloaded onto other aircraft. IIRC @ the time we had 3 or 4 mainline flights a day and about 9-12 smaller flights on Amerifligt (Chieftens, 400 series Cessnas, 99s, a metro and a 1900).
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:12 am

We may be losing the beautiful blue Korean Air 744 to Seoul, but we are gaining a beautiful white and blue Beechcraft 1900 to Missoula on the weekends!!! WooHooo!!!  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 34):
We may be losing the beautiful blue Korean Air 744 to Seoul, but we are gaining a beautiful white and blue Beechcraft 1900 to Missoula on the weekends!!! WooHooo!!!

But I much rather see a beautiful blue Korean Air 744 to Seoul than a beautiful white and blue Beechcraft 1900 to Missoula on the weekends!  Smile

That is quite a blow to PDX about Korean Air Cargo.  Sad

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RE: Korean Air Cargo Axes PDX

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:53 pm

I agree it is a huge blow to Portland....After ten years of service now this........I'm sure on some level the daily NWA flights to Tokyo cargo capacity played into their decision to leave....