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Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:22 pm

Check out the current edition of the column that Captain Meryl Getline has on usatoday.com.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/colum...e/2006-06-05-ask-the-captain_x.htm

Some great info about the advantages of new technology used in the 787 as it relates to the interior cabin, with interior pictures of a 787 mock-up attached.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:27 pm

BTW, I absolutely love the interior shots. The windows alone would entice me to pay a premium just to fly on that bird!
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:37 pm

I just came back from EWR yesterday with KL A332.
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft. Doesn't seem like much of difference with the
announced 6000 ft of the dreamliner.
All the other features seem just amazing to me, also the windows without
shades will be great!!!
 
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:50 pm

Quick question:

Does anyone know the type of exit doors Boeing plans to put on the 787?? What I mean is, do they intend to put on the classic 747-type doors, the 777 "out-and-over", or the 767 mechanical?? I can't tell from those pictures, and most likely Boeing probably hasn't even decided yet, but if anyone knows, do let me know!!

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Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 3):
Does anyone know the type of exit doors Boeing plans to put on the 787??

My guess is weight will decide this and some other refinement issues.

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 2):
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft. Doesn't seem like much of difference with the
announced 6000 ft of the dreamliner.

Most airliners today are capable of a pressure differential of 7.5:1. Meaning even up to 40,000', they can set a cabin altitude of 6,000'. This is normally not done because of the additional stress this pressure puts on the fuselarge, and cause additional inspections.

The different and strong material the B-787 will be made of will allow a 5,000'-6,000' cabin altitude up to FL450 on a routine mission. The normal pressure differential for the B-787 should be around 8.5:1
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:33 pm

Maybe it's me, but the in the non Boeing pix, the cabin seemed awfully claustrophobic; not something I would have expected. The windows though are great. I still remember the amazing difference in window size going from a B-707 into the ultra-long tube of a DC-8-63 stretch (which, if I am not mistaken, was the first "heavy"). I'm looking forward to trying one out in the future.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:15 pm

Good stuff but nothing tremendously new, although I did not know that the flight deck had optional colorization in the lighting. The new pictures are pretty cool. Love the architecture in the cabin, much nicer than your typical airliner.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting MaxQ2351 (Reply 3):
Quick question:

Does anyone know the type of exit doors Boeing plans to put on the 787?? What I mean is, do they intend to put on the classic 747-type doors, the 777 "out-and-over", or the 767 mechanical?? I can't tell from those pictures, and most likely Boeing probably hasn't even decided yet, but if anyone knows, do let me know!!

-Max

What are all these doors like? any pics? I would guess they will be 777 style as thats the most new design.
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 7):
What are all these doors like? any pics? I would guess they will be 777 style as thats the most new design

Since it is a composite fuselage, they may have to do an all new door. Does anyone know?
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:33 pm

I know this has been discussed before, but it will really suck if F/As black out everyone's window on certain (i.e. overnight) flights...
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Maybe it's me, but the in the non Boeing pix, the cabin seemed awfully claustrophobic; not something I would have expected.

No, it's not only you !

Just compare the picture named File 24/41, from Boeing, and the picture 10/41. Obviously there is a trick ! Or it is an effect of the lens of the cameras (I am not a specialist) or the Boeing photo has been arranged, but I guess the 787 will not be as fantastic as they would like us to think (especially with 9 abreast in Eco !).
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Most airliners today are capable of a pressure differential of 7.5:1. Meaning even up to 40,000', they can set a cabin altitude of 6,000'. This is normally not done because of the additional stress this pressure puts on the fuselarge, and cause additional inspections.

I read somewhere that the cabin pressure actually is about 6000' at initial phase of the flight, then drifts towards 8000' towards the end of the flight. 787 is capable of handling 6000' all the way through out the flight, with and added bonus of higher humidity.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 5):
Maybe it's me, but the in the non Boeing pix, the cabin seemed awfully claustrophobic; not something I would have expected. The windows though are great. I still remember the amazing difference in window size going from a B-707 into the ultra-long tube of a DC-8-63 stretch (which, if I am not mistaken, was the first "heavy"). I'm looking forward to trying one out in the future.

It certainly looks smaller than a 777, but I like the openness created by losing the dividing wall between the classes. It certainly adds more space perspective.

BTW does anybody notice that there are three seats on the window side in economy. Is this a 3-3-3 layout? if it is it looks comfortable enough with the two dudes sitting next to each other.

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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
I know this has been discussed before, but it will really suck if F/As black out everyone's window on certain (i.e. overnight) flights...

I don't think many on this website would be too keen on that one...!
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 11):
BTW does anybody notice that there are three seats on the window side in economy. Is this a 3-3-3 layout? if it is it looks comfortable enough with the two dudes sitting next to each other.

That picture shows a 3-2-3 version of 8-abreast seating.

The advantage of 3-2-3 vesus 2-4-2 is the former allows the aircraft to fill 62% of the seats before any two passengers must sit side by side, while passengers must sit next to eachother when 2-4-2 is only 50% full.

Since most airlines opperate with about 60-80% load factor, it allows more space per passenger.
 
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Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:53 pm

I'm probably going to get shot for this comment, but...

from the pictures, it looks like a 767 trying to be a 777!

Mind you, that's sorta what it is, right?  wink 
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):

Actually, the design is such that the FA will be able to darken the windows for night flight, but the pax will still have the ability to see out if he or she so wishes.

I'm not a windows engineer (or any other kind of engineer, for that matter) so I don't know how this is accomplished. But it's pretty darn cool.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:07 am

It's just another tube, folks ...  duck 

Note the baggage bins - or lack thereof. The finished version will have to have central bins. On the pictures there are none. This will change the appearance of the cabin - and yes, it will look just like any other airplane cabin, except for the oversized windows.
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 14):
from the pictures, it looks like a 767 trying to be a 777!

nothing wrong with that...
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 13):
The advantage of 3-2-3 vesus 2-4-2 is the former allows the aircraft to fill 62% of the seats before any two passengers must sit side by side, while passengers must sit next to eachother when 2-4-2 is only 50% full.

A big reason the interiors guys came up with for 3-3-3 in nine-abreast and 3-2-3 in eight is that a three-seat block increases the number of people made happy by an empty seat: If you have 2-4-2 -- AB CDEF GH -- and you fill AB CXXF GH, then Pax C and PaxF are happy to have an open seat next to them. (Think about it -- when you fly economy, aren't you happier/enjoy your flight more when the seat next to you goes empty?) If you have ABC DE FGH, and you fill AXC DE FXH, then Pax A, Pax C, Pax F and Pax H are all made happy by that extra seat.

Similarly, in 9 abreast, if you have ABC DEF GHI, and fill ABC DXF GHI, then Pax D and Pax F are happier; if you have AB CDEFG HI, and seat AB CXEFG HI, then, really only Pax C is happier.

So easier to gain customer satisfaction with no loss of space or revenue.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 16):
Note the baggage bins - or lack thereof. The finished version will have to have central bins.

Actually, there are central bins in coach. In biz/first, the side bins are so large that they can accommodate an extra-large rollaway (about 30 in. tall by 20 in. thick by an airline aisle wide -- these are my eyeball estimates, but trust me, the bags are big) for each passenger. So there will be no center bins in biz/first.

Here's a pic that shows the bin open with that extra-big bag.

http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.c...7&BuId=0&caid=0&prid=0&sc=med&pn=4
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:43 am

The problem with all new planes is the conceptual interior shown by the manufactures is not real. The airlines determine the interior they want so by the time the airlines are done it, it will be just as crampt as any other aircraft i'm afraid! Bums on seats i'm afraid.

I remember flying on Delta's first B777 ATL to LGW flight and during the taxi out the captain explained how technically advanced the B777 was. Didn't help me much sitting in coach with my knees around my ears!!!

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Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:17 am

quote=87dreamin,reply=15]Actually, the design is such that the FA will be able to darken the windows for night flight, but the pax will still have the ability to see out if he or she so wishes.

I'm not a windows engineer (or any other kind of engineer, for that matter) so I don't know how this is accomplished. But it's pretty darn cool.[/quote]

I believe it will be LCD-driven....

The electrical charge, with the push of a button, can darken the windows to block outside light from coming in, appearing largely opaque, but will still allow some transparency for peering outside from your seat.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:05 am

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 11):
I read somewhere that the cabin pressure actually is about 6000' at initial phase of the flight, then drifts towards 8000' towards the end of the flight. 787 is capable of handling 6000' all the way through out the flight, with and added bonus of higher humidity.

Remeber, thats a Maximum of 6,000' Since it is electric, it doesn't "cost" that much to crank it down to 5,000' or 4,000'

People are just starting to catch on to the cabin pressure issue, but for corporate aviation, this has been a *big* selling point for the Gulfstream V series of aircraft for many years now. I have any transatlantic legs on both G-III pressurized to 6,500' and G-Vs set at 4,000' I was a big non-believer, even in denial for the first dozen flights or so, but it was hard to argue with the results: *everyone* I know who has experienced the pressurization comparison raves about the lack of fatigue and jet lag on the G-V vs. the G-III.

I know that the vast majorit of folks reading this post are skeptical, and they have not had the chance to experience long haul with lower cabin altitudes. I can't point to any scientic papers or such - mainly because I don't want to spend the time searing the web to look them up. I already *know* that it works.

Everytime I try to explain it to someone who is an aviation enthusiast they look at me with scepticisim. I guess it would have been hard for George Washington to believe that one day a 747 would fly over Mt. Vernon too...

All I can say is after you fly on a 787 (or G-V) you'll understand - and be a beleiver too.
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 21):
The electrical charge, with the push of a button, can darken the windows to block outside light from coming in, appearing largely opaque, but will still allow some transparency for peering outside from your seat.

I don't think there is much to peer if no light is coming in, no matter whether a curtain or a LCD is blocking the light.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting TGV (Reply 10):
Just compare the picture named File 24/41, from Boeing, and the picture 10/41. Obviously there is a trick ! Or it is an effect of the lens of the cameras (I am not a specialist) or the Boeing photo has been arranged, but I guess the 787 will not be as fantastic as they would like us to think (especially with 9 abreast in Eco !).

Obviously a trick.  Wink

File 10/41 looks like it was taken from a point of obstructed view (note the obstruction to the left of the photo). It also uses a lens providing for a rather narrow FOV while File 24/41 is taken with a wide-angle (note the same obstruction is within the FOV but just barely). File 24/41 also lacks center overhead bins in the business class cabin, and that has a dramatic effect, especially since it appears in File 10/41 that said bins are almost touching the pictured fellow's head. And speaking of pictured people, the fact that File 10/41 has people in it blocking the view of the aft cabin also affects the appearance of roominess, or lack thereof.

I'd say File 10/41 misrepresents what the actual cabin will feel like. I'd say File 24/41 also misrepresents what the actual cabin will feel like.

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 2):
just came back from EWR yesterday with KL A332.
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft. Doesn't seem like much of difference with the
announced 6000 ft of the dreamliner.

"All aircraft today must set cabin altitude pressure at about 8,000 feet, or 2,440 meters, to prevent the slow destruction of the fuselage's aluminum skin. Setting the pressure at a more comfortable 6,000 feet would cut the life of an aluminum airplane in half. And adding some humidity to the cabin would rust some parts, like fasteners. "

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/11/business/AIRBUS.php

"Andries reveals that the redesigned cabin is a significant element of the programme, saying: "We have decided to make a quantum jump in passenger comfort." He adds that Airbus will offer cabin humidity levels of 15-20% and a typical cabin altitude of 6,000ft until the late stages of long-haul flights, when higher flight levels are usual practice."

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...gation/240/198871/A+cut+above.html

According to what you said the A330 can already do what Airbus was going to introduce as part of a quantum jump in passenger comfort in the A350 - made possible, according to Airbus, because of the advanced materials to be used in the A350.

Perhaps the 6500 was an initial setting?
 
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):

Most airliners today are capable of a pressure differential of 7.5:1. Meaning even up to 40,000', they can set a cabin altitude of 6,000'. This is normally not done because of the additional stress this pressure puts on the fuselarge, and cause additional inspections.

The different and strong material the B-787 will be made of will allow a 5,000'-6,000' cabin altitude up to FL450 on a routine mission. The normal pressure differential for the B-787 should be around 8.5:1

I should certainly hope that the 787 differential will be higher than 8.5. I mean, the maximum continuous differential on a 727 is 8.6, with a structural limit of 9.6, and it's hardly known for it's extremely low cabin altitude, and I doubt Boeing would be tooting its own horn about the revolutionary low cabin altitude when it had done it on an airplane almost 50 years ago.

By the way, when talking about cabin differentials, certainly in the numbers you're talking about, it's measured in PSI, not in ratios. A pressure ratio of 8.5:1 would be able to keep a cabin pressure of about 124.95 PSI at sea level (14.7 psi outside), which I as a passenger would find slightly uncomfortable.
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:19 am

Anyone noticed how poorly the overhead stowage compartment bins and the PSU channel items align? If you watch closely, gap width is varying considerably between the interior lining elements. I would have expected a showcase cabin to be of near-perfect quality. Is this an inevitable tribute to the quick-change 'snap-in' philosophy?
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:53 am

I hate how they only show first or business class in the models. I wish they would show what economy will look like. With less seats it automatically looks nicer. Either way cool photos.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:12 am

I read her article yesterday. Great pictures, and info. One thing I learned from it, was the shade-less windows, thats pretty cool. Also, the window in the lav is clutch.

Look forward to next week's article with more info.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:48 am

I love this plane. Can't wait to fly on it.......
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:19 am

Follow the link in this post...it has some great pictures of the 787 as well!
Boeing's Showroom (by 87dreamin Jun 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:42 am

I thought that her explanation of bleed air and the "performance bonus" from an all-electric system was a bit gushy and overstated, but, hey, she'd just been wined and dined at Boeing. Shows why these kind of presentations, making people feel special, is SO important in business. OH, WAIT! "Making people feel special" is what brings people back to airlines as well. Maybe some f/as are watching (except for that COEWR person, who already knows this and I wish was on every one of my flights).
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:50 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 31):
I thought that her explanation of bleed air and the "performance bonus" from an all-electric system was a bit gushy and overstated, but, hey, she'd just been wined and dined at Boeing. Shows why these kind of presentations, making people feel special, is SO important in business. OH, WAIT! "Making people feel special" is what brings people back to airlines as well. Maybe some f/as are watching (except for that COEWR person, who already knows this and I wish was on every one of my flights).

You're probably partially right. But if I were the only pilot in the US, and 1/8 in the world to go on an all expenses paid trip to learn and "experience" part of the 787 development program, I would be very excited myself.

Also, as a pilot, all the little technical improvments are important, and she says:
Here's why pilots will care: Any time bleed air is taken from the engines for systems such as air conditioning and pressurization, performance suffers somewhat. There is a penalty in how much thrust is produced by the engines any time bleed air is being tapped from the engines, and more fuel is burned. On hot summer days when the air is less dense, air conditioning systems are sometimes even turned off during takeoff on some planes to provide more thrust to the engines. The Dreamliner, however, doesn't divert air from the engines for most of the uses we see in today's airplanes, making it much more fuel efficient.


I wonder if (one of the reasons why) they chose her because she is with UA. Even though she's only a pilot, maybe Boeing is trying to win UA's heart over by influencing the workforce?
 
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 32):
I wonder if (one of the reasons why) they chose her because she is with UA. Even though she's only a pilot, maybe Boeing is trying to win UA's heart over by influencing the workforce?

That's an interesting thought, it hadn't crossed my mind to think of it that way. But I think they picked her mostly because she is not only a UA B777 captain, but also a published author and popular columnist on a major national newspaper. Its a perfect mix as far as Boeing marketing is concerned.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:12 am

One of my favorite touches of all is the addition of a window in the lavatories. And when the plane is on the ground? Ground sensors in the landing gear send a signal to black out the windows in each lavatory, just in case someone is lurking about outside on a ladder.

Interesting.

And USA Today is a major paper, which is surely a factor in choosing her to see the demonstration.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 32):
I wonder if (one of the reasons why) they chose her because she is with UA. Even though she's only a pilot...

You have to remember that at a major airline of the stature of United, there is a lot of interaction between the pilots (usually through their union and its many committees) and management about myriad operational details. Committees of pilots have a lot of input to a lot of things in the operation, as they should. Although there is often a lot of rhetoric and an "us and them" attitude among some pilots, there is also an enormous amount of cooperation. She was probably chosen because she was a journalist (as most folks on this visit seemed to be), but it can't hurt to have the UA pilot group more aware of the features and capabilities of the 787.
 
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 26):
Anyone noticed how poorly the overhead stowage compartment bins and the PSU channel items align? If you watch closely, gap width is varying considerably between the interior lining elements. I would have expected a showcase cabin to be of near-perfect quality. Is this an inevitable tribute to the quick-change 'snap-in' philosophy?

Could be. I see the same sort of thing in the A350 mock-up pics, e.g.:

http://www.airbus.com/store/photolib...object_image_lowres_A350_29_mr.jpg

and:

http://news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6063661-1.html

and:

http://arch.designcommunity.com/topic-10211.html (scroll down)

Then again these things are designed to do what they are supposed to do for the least amount of weight possible. It doesn't matter if the interior is made by Acme or BMW, as the photos of both demonstrate there's only so much they can do.
 
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:45 pm

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 2):
I spent about half an hour in the cockpit, and noticed that at FL380 our
cabin altitude was 6500ft.

I've absolutely no idea of what's the normal setting or if this shot it at the beginning of the flight, but this pictures shows a cabin altitude of 6850ft at FL390...


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Kevin Palko



Just to throw out a sample, you can then interpret it the way you want.

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Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:52 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 35):
You have to remember that at a major airline of the stature of United, there is a lot of interaction between the pilots (usually through their union and its many committees) and management about myriad operational details. Committees of pilots have a lot of input to a lot of things in the operation, as they should.

Yeah I know, I just felt like I had to say that so people don't jump down my throat saying, "pilots don't make the decisions, etc."
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:56 pm

Speaking as a a.nutter (along with a few others here) I have seen this mock up in person. The ceiling lighting is really jillions of LED's that can be tinted for the mood. The F/A has control of the tinting and brightness available.
Yes, those windows are huge. They reminded me of the old DC-8 windows. The seats are very narrow and the seat backs are very thin. Much thinner than today's seats. Also remember the L1011 had windows that could be "dialed" to the darkness you wanted when it first came out. Didn't take the airlines long to put shades on the windows.
In the foreground of the two guys sitting in the seats photos, you'll see the corner of a desk. This is a "check in" or courciege area next to the door. When I saw that I immediately thought that while it is an option, nobody will order it. Why? Seats, Seats and more seats!
While some of the photos here seem somewhat claustrophobic, this interior is very light and airy feeling. But as stated elsewhere in this thread, it's only a concept, lots will change before the aircraft rolls off the assembly line.
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:08 pm

I agree, Type rated. Tell me, am I the only one who thinks that the entire open cabin, no Galleys or Lavs in the entrances thing will be abolished by the time airlines start laying out their cabins?
 
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:08 am

I must be behind the times, but what is the " no Galleys or Lavs in the entrances thing"?
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RE: Great 787 Article W/interior Pictures

Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:31 am

Quoting Type-rated (Reply 41):
no Galleys or Lavs in the entrances thing"?

When you board an aircraft, what's the first thing you see.... Boeing's mock-up doesn't have either in the area of the boarding door. This may look good, but practicality will dictate how airlines plan things for themselves.
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