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UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:11 pm

UA has announced that it will stop all operations at Chicago Midway on the 5th September 2006.

All staff are apparently being offered jobs at O'Hare.

I guess theres no surprises here!
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On 5/9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 6:40 pm

They had Ted to DEN and United Express flights to IAD didn't they?
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:05 pm

Does this mean gates are up for grabs? What gates did they operate out of ?
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:10 pm

For me I have always gone through ORD, so cannot comment on gates.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:46 pm

they have one gate at MDW that is shared with Frontier. There is no big bonanza...
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:45 pm

Looks like new VP Scott Dolan's third move....6 new domestic routes for Sept plus Kuwait already done now finally killing the MDW experiment. Busy first 30 days.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:20 pm

I am trying to squeeze some dim memories from my tired brain, but I seem to remember that back in the early 1980s when the original Midway Airlines and Southwest were just getting started at MDW that American and United each had one check-in counter active (out of 30 each) and listed something like 1 flight per week. Can anyone confirm this? If so, why did they maintain that one flight at at time when MDW was essentially abandoned [1]? Was there some sort of regulatory or contractual reason?

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[1] You could easily play field hockey in the old art deco terminal without hitting anyone or anything, and I would park my car where the security area of new terminal is now for 50 cents/day when they bothered to collect the fee. I never could figure out why the one newspaper/donut cart guy stayed there. Quite a change...
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting JasonCRH (Reply 4):
they have one gate at MDW that is shared with Frontier. There is no big bonanza...

Is it just me, or do I find it odd that UA subleased part of a gate from F9 at MDW given their (recently-settled) squabble over the DEN Concourse A gates?
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:37 pm

I recently flew UA Express MDW-IAD just to experience the CRJ700 for the first time. Glad I tried it.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:40 pm

I don't think you will see a big deal at MDW...maybe WN will add even more flights to DEN and probably IAD when they start service there.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:25 pm

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 9):
maybe WN will add even more flights to DEN and probably IAD when they start service there.

5th daily non-stop MDW-DEN starts July 17.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 7):
Is it just me, or do I find it odd that UA subleased part of a gate from F9 at MDW given their (recently-settled) squabble over the DEN Concourse A gates?

I thought that in one of the other topics I had read it was a city owned gate.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:47 pm

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 11):
I thought that in one of the other topics I had read it was a city owned gate.

It is, gate A-1.

http://www.flychicago.com/midway/terminals/MDWParking1005.pdf
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:59 pm

United To Discontinue All Chicago Midway Service on
Sept. 5
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To better align service capacity with customer
demand, United will discontinue its service from
Chicago's Midway International Airport, beginning
Sept. 5.

All 37 Ramp Service and Customer Service employees
currently stationed at Midway will have the option
to apply for positions at Chicago's O'Hare
International Airport.

"To deliver the most cost-competitive service
possible, we continue to reallocate our aircraft to
markets where demand from our customers is strong,"
says Scott Dolan, senior vice president-Airport
Operations and Cargo. "While customer demand has
not been strong enough to retain our Midway service,
demand from our hub airports, where customers can
connect to hundreds of United destinations, remains
very strong."

United will continue to operate charter flights from
Midway.

All customers booked on TedSM and United Express(R)
flights through Midway after Sept. 5 will be
accommodated on O'Hare flights. They will be
contacted about the change. United will continue to
sell tickets on our Midway service through Sept. 5.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:01 am

How many times has United started service and pulled out at MDW? I also like how the affected employees will "...have the option to apply for positions at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport..."
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:21 am

According to the Airtran website, they are using A2, A4a, A4b, A10, and A12. Perhaps some of those gates are city gates as well, however A1 would be convienient for them if they continue to expand there. I'm sure they wouldn't mind taking care of F9's needs if necessary. Does anyone know how well Airtran is doing with their new MDW routes? DFW, EWR, BOS, and MSP are all relatively new nonstops from MDW.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 13):
All customers booked on TedSM and United Express(R)
flights through Midway after Sept. 5 will be
accommodated on O'Hare flights.

What if I don't want to fly out of ORD and want a refund??

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 14):
I also like how the affected employees will "...have the option to apply for positions at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport..."

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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:32 am

Back when Midway airlines went bankrupt UA had 727-100 flights to LAX, SFO, DEN and 737-300 Flights to MCO. the MCO Flights last 3 years.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting Sphealey (Reply 6):
I am trying to squeeze some dim memories from my tired brain, but I seem to remember that back in the early 1980s when the original Midway Airlines and Southwest were just getting started at MDW that American and United each had one check-in counter active (out of 30 each) and listed something like 1 flight per week. Can anyone confirm this?

According to the December 15, 1979 OAG, the only service operated to/from Midway Airport was:

Midway Airlines with 5 daily DC-9-10s to Cleveland/Burke Lakefront Airport, 5 daily DC-9-10s to Detroit Metro and 4 daily DC-9-10s to Kansas City International.

Delta Airlines with 2 daily DC-9-30s to Saint Louis.

I will see what I can find from the early 80s.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:50 am

I remember flying thru MDW during 1994/1995 and seeing the many different airlines there...i.e...Midway connection, Markair, Midway #2, ValueJet, etc.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:53 am

First AA, now UA. No surprises though. With a mega-hub across town, they are better off devoting resources there IMO.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:37 am

All I hope is that United does not pull service from the other Chicago area airport that it serves. RFD just got service to DEN a few months ago, and it is a service that the airport needs. I really do not want to see Rockford/Chicago service fail like MDW service did.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 5):
Looks like new VP Scott Dolan's third move

Who is Mr. Dolan? Is he going to save UA? I like the Kuwait and MDW decisions.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:15 am

The Feb.1982 issue of ABC lists mostly ML DC-9 flights out of MDW:
BOSx3
CLEx3
DTWx4
MCIx4
MSPx4
LGAx5
OMAx2
PHLx3
STLx3
TPAx2
DCAx4

In addition there were 4 NW 727-100s to MSP,one of these continuing to SFO
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:17 am

MDW is a funny place for legacies. It seems that they can only run service there to large cities with a fair to high amount of O&D. DTW and MSP work for NW because of the O&D to those places, but MEM has been tried and has not worked. US hasn't been able to make CLT work despite TZ's apparent ability to do it and the success of FL (perhaps it's a little too early to judge that). DL has cut service severely, back to just ATL service on EV even though the shuttle 738s seemed to be a good competitive antidote to FL. The only smaller city left with legacy service is CLE, and CO is the only carrier whose MDW schedule approaches what they have at ORD.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 24):
MDW is a funny place for legacies. It seems that they can only run service there to large cities with a fair to high amount of O&D. DTW and MSP work for NW because of the O&D to those places, but MEM has been tried and has not worked. US hasn't been able to make CLT work despite TZ's apparent ability to do it and the success of FL (perhaps it's a little too early to judge that). DL has cut service severely, back to just ATL service on EV even though the shuttle 738s seemed to be a good competitive antidote to FL. The only smaller city left with legacy service is CLE, and CO is the only carrier whose MDW schedule approaches what they have at ORD.

WN has made SLC work, and they are looking at adding an additional flight SLC-MDW. I think it would be best for ALL of the legacies to concede MDW as WNs exclusive airport just the same as DAL-Love Field. Even though MDW is about 10-20 minutes closer to the loop than ORD, I still have many more options on DL, UA, AA on a direct from SLC to get to the downtown loop using ORD.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:04 am

United doesn't share a gate with F9. F9 uses gate A2 and United uses A1.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:42 am

Oh, Oh...better watch out...

AA & UA will probably demand that Midway be shut down & have FL/WN move to O'hare...




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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting Biggsfo (Reply 20):
First AA, now UA. No surprises though. With a mega-hub across town, they are better off devoting resources there IMO

I most have had a day off but I didn't know AA dropped MDW. I use to do the DFW/MDW from 1998-2002. I liked the old Midway and really like the new one. Thanks for the info.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting LGBFltTrainer (Reply 27):
Oh, Oh...better watch out...

AA & UA will probably demand that Midway be shut down & have FL/WN move to O'hare...

Note: tongue is firmly planted in cheek, in case anyone is thinking about taking this seriously...

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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:43 am

Whick airline is going to have those gates. Also why would they have O'Hare and Midway? They are not that far apart and UA has the hub at O' hare. Finally, could this be way they are going to start to go to SEA?

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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting AirFrance (Reply 30):
Also why would they have O'Hare and Midway? They are not that far apart and UA has the hub at O' hare.

Believe it or not, when I was in grad school in Chicago in the early 1980s, I seem to remember United starting to make noise about the expansion at MDW and threatening that if it continued, they would "have to" put a small hub in there. Of course, that was crazy, and of course it didn't happen.

NW has had for years what I think is a sensible strategy: if you have enough stroke at a hub like MSP or DTW to do mostly o/d traffic and some conx out of MDW, just quietly go ahead and fly it, with appropriate equipment and volume, year in and year out, without regard to trying to "crush the competition". They've been doing that for like 25 years. It's only the UAs and AAs, that have a different agenda, that seem to get themselves in the "swarm and retreat" pickle.
 
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 31):
NW has had for years what I think is a sensible strategy: if you have enough stroke at a hub like MSP or DTW to do mostly o/d traffic and some conx out of MDW, just quietly go ahead and fly it, with appropriate equipment and volume, year in and year out, without regard to trying to "crush the competition".

I think the same could be said for CO. However, those are the only two (though some might argue that the US-Ex foray with YV CRJs was similar).
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:17 pm

Actually, during the late 1980's United operated SFO/LAX-MDW, DEN-MDW, as well as IAD-MDW...all on 727-100/200 equipment. I think that it is a prudent move on UA's part to end service. In the Bay Area WN and UA co-exist fairly peacefully across the bay from each other and it makes sense to employ the same strategy at ORD/MDW...
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:33 pm

UA has a long history of being in and out of MDW. They'll be back again one day. At one time MDW was busier that it was in the 80's. In the early 70's you had American Airlines, United Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, Eastern Airlines, Frontier Airlines, Southern Airways, Northwest Airlines, and Mohawk and Northeast Airlines all serving MDW at the same time. UA at the time was one of the largest carriers there. There was a ticket counter and signage for Braniff as well (next to NW's) but as far as I know once they moved to ORD, BN never came back to MDW.
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:29 pm

Now here is something that I heard from the MDW ops, the US(HP) have put in a bid for MDW, I did not think that US would want to come back to MDW, but you never know. There(US) B.S.O. is still in the baggage claim area with the sign as well..
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RE: UA To Stop Operations At Midway On Sept 9

Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:27 pm

If NW had in fact bought the first Midway airlines, how do you think MDW would have looked today?
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