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Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:00 pm

Well not all has gone rosy for the A380 program but here are just some of the many achievements that the A380 has managed since it's inaugural flight.



18 May 2006
A380 FIRST FLIGHT INTO THE UK

Leaving Berlin where it stars in the air show, the A380 made its first landing in London Heathrow, marking the official opening of the new Pier 6, which has been built to accommodate the new aircraft.




10 May 2006
REAL TEST VIRTUAL FLIGHT

For the first time in a new programme, volunteer passengers test cabin facilities in advance of the early long flights






7 May 2006
SINGAPORE AIRLINES’ A380 PERFORMS ITS MAIDEN FLIGHT

The first A380 to enter into commercial service with Singapore Airlines performed a successful first flight on 7 May from Toulouse-Blagnac.




27 April 2006
AIRBUS CELEBRATES THE A380 FIRST FLIGHT

One year ago, the A380, Airbus’ 21st century flagship, performed a majestic and successful first flight. Four A380s have now flown.

Aviation history was made one year ago on April 27, when the first A380, the world’s largest commercial aircraft, carrying the registration F-WW0W, successfully performed its maiden flight leaving Blagnac International Airport in Toulouse, France at 10.29 hours local time (08.29 UTC) from runway 32L.

Since this first flight, four A380s have flown. Two of them are actively involved in the intensive flight test programme, two others are undergoing cabin installation in Hamburg.

Pilots from customer airlines have begun flying the aircraft alongside Airbus crew, ahead of commencing formal training.

The A380 programme achieved a number of key milestones in 2006: The 1,000th flight test hour was passed in March. The same month, the evacuation test was successfully completed in Hamburg, Germany.

High altitude tests were completed in Medellin, Colombia in January and were followed by cold weather tests in Iqaluit, Canada in February. A number of airport compatibility tests have also been conducted.

The aircraft wowed crowds during a successful Asia-Pacific tour in 2005 and was also the star of both the Dubai and Singapore air shows.

The A380, the largest commercial airliner, is designed to carry an average of 555 passengers in a three-class configuration. The aircraft offers airlines unmatched possibilities for commercial differentiation and to take advantage of these possibilities, most customers have announced a cabin configuration under the maximum number of passengers.


http://events.airbus.com/A380/default1.aspx




30 March 2006
FIRST AIR FRANCE PILOTS FLY THE A380


A group of pilots from Air France recently got the chance to fly the A380 for the first time in Toulouse.


29 March 2006
AUTHORITIES APPROVE A380 EVACUATION TRIAL


The European Aviation and Safety Agency (EASA) and the American Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) validate 853 passengers as the maximum passenger seating capacity for the A380-800.



27 March 2006
LUFTHANSA PILOTS TRY OUT THE A380


Lufthansa pilots have recently had their first chance to experience flying the A380 for themselves.


26 March 2006
A380 SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETES EVACUATION TEST


Airbus successfully completed the passenger evacuation trial on its development A380, paving the way for the certification of the aircraft in time for delivery by the end of 2006.

17 March 2006
SINGAPORE PILOTS FEELING AT HOME ON THE A380


Ahead of their formal training, pilots from the A380 launch customers have been offered the chance to experience the aircraft first hand, accompanied by Airbus pilots and flight test engineers.



10 March 2006
A380 PASSES TESTS WITH FLYING COLOURS


The A380 has come a long way since its first flight on 27 April 2005 and this week Airbus celebrates a total of 1,000 flight test hours.


14 February 2006
A380 PERFORMS SUCCESSFUL COLD SOAK TRIALS


The A380 test aircraft has returned from Iqaluit, Canada, where it successfully completed the cold weather test campaign. It is now preparing to head for Asian Aerospace ’06 in Singapore



01 February 2006
FIRST GP7200 ENGINE INSTALLED ON 5th A380 FLIGHT TEST AIRCRAFT


The first of four Engine Alliance GP7200 engines has been installed on the fifth A380 test aircraft at the Final Assembly Line in Toulouse, France. A380 customers can select either the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 or the Engine Alliance GP7200 engine.




27 January 2006
HIGH MARKS FOR A380


The A380 has reached another key milestone on the road to certification with the successful completion of high altitude tests in Medellin, Colombia, followed by further tests in Guadeloupe

http://www.airbus.com/store/photolibrary/ARTISTIC/att00006722/media_object_image_lowres_A380medellinmedium.jpg

13 December 2005
UPS SIGNS FIRM CONTRACT FOR A380s

Following a commitment announced in January 2005, Atlanta, Georgia-based UPS has formally signed the contract for A380 freighter aircraft.

24 November 2005
A380 “EMPRESS OF THE SKYAT DUBAI AIR SHOW


The A380 was the star of the 2005 Dubai air show, attracting a large number of visitors on board and during its daily flight displays



18 November 2005
A380 COMPATIBILITY PROVEN AT FOUR ASIAN-PACIFIC AIRPORTS


Following the first airport compatibility tests at Frankfurt airport, Airbus has successfully demonstrated the A380’s compatibility at four more airports during the recent Asia-Pacific tour.



18 November 2005
A SUCCESSFUL ASIA-PACIFIC TRIP COMES TO AN END


The no. 1 A380 today completed its successful Asia-Pacific demonstration tour, which previewed what the future of flying will be when this 21st century flagship enters commercial service.



4 November 2005
THIRD A380 PERFORMS SUCCESSFUL FIRST FLIGHT


Third A380 joins the two development aircraft in certification campaign. This aircraft will be the first to be fitted with a full cabin and will be used for cabin and cargo systems development and certification.

29 October 2005
AIRBUS A380 PERFORMS AIRPORT COMPATIBILITY TESTS AT FRANKFURT

The A380 flew to Frankfurt to perform ground handling tests, the first time the aircraft has landed at a major commercial airport. Tests were conducted with the assistance of Lufthansa which is one of the A380 launch customers and predominantly consist of demonstrating the ground handling capabilities of the aircraft, typically performed between two intercontinental flights.



18 October 2005
THE SECOND A380 TAKES TO THE AIR


As the second A380 completes its successful maiden flight, the first A380 has passed the 100th flight mark and is in fact ahead of the test programme schedule.

11 October 2005
FIRST CARBON “CUT” FOR THE A380 FREIGHTER


An important milestone in the development of the A380 Freighter was reached this month with the first carbon “cut” on the centre wing box.

05 October 2005
EXTREME STATIC TESTS ON SCHEDULE


Extreme static testing on the A380 aircraft has now reached the halfway point. This means that more than 50 percent of all static tests needed for the certification campaign are complete.

13 September 2005
GP7200 ENGINE COMPLETES FLIGHT TESTING


Engine Alliance’s engine for the A380 successfully completes 134 hours of flight time in its second flight test campaign, demonstrating its readiness for flight testing on the A380.


1 September 2005
A380 FATIGUE TESTING STARTS, DRESDEN


The A380 structure will undergo the equivalent of 900 flights a week in fatigue tests which will push the structure to its limits, testing the airframe’s response to flight stress.

17 August 2005
A380 STAR OF THE SHOW, SINGAPORE


Singapore’s Changi Airport has welcomed its first A380 – a four by four metre scale model, unveiled at an event to mark the recent completion of the airport’s first A380-ready gate.

13 July 2005
A380 PERFORMS VMU TESTS


An A380 equipped with a special tail bumper has performed a series of low speed take-off tests to determine the optimal slat and flap settings for commercial service.



15 June 2005
KINGFISHER BECOMES FIRST INDIAN CUSTOMER FOR A380


Kingfisher Airlines has become the first Indian carrier to sign a firm contract with Airbus for the A380 as well as for the A350 and the A330. The order is for five A350-800s plus five A380s for intercontinental services, and five A330-200s for regional routes.

http://www.airbus.com/store/photolibrary/AIRCRAFT/CUSTOMER/A380/att00004670/media_object_image_lowres_A380-800-Kingfisher-03_MB_large.jpg

16 May 2005
UK BEGINS MANUFACTURING WINGS FOR THE AIRBUS A380F


The first metal cut for the wing of the new freighter version of the A380 started on 16 May has been carried out in the UK. The A380F, the largest commercial freighter ever, will enter into service approximately two years after the passenger version.

27 April 2005
A380 SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETES ITS FIRST FLIGHT

The first A380 to take to the air landed at Blagnac international airport in Toulouse, France at 14.23 local time (12.23h GMT) after successfully completing a first flight that lasted three hours and 54 minutes.


A380 ORDERS + OPTIONS

Air France 10 + (4 options)

China Southern Airlines 5

Emirates 43

Ethiad 4

FedEx 10 + (10 options)

ILFc 10

Kingfisher 5

Korean Air 5 + (3 options)

Lufthansa 15 + (10 options)

Malaysian Airlines 6

Qantas 12 + (10 options)

Qatar 2 + (2 options)

Singapore Airlines 10 + 12 (options)

Thai Airways 6

UPS 10 + (10 options)

Total firm orders: 159
Total Options: 70
Total Order + Options: 224



If any one would like to contribute more please do so.


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Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:08 pm

WINGS, thanks. It's not all "doom & gloom", however much some people may want it to be!

Care to speculate on what comes next?

Further orders this year - either direct sales (Asiana?) or leases (SAA? Air China?) are likely.

And what's left to overcome?

* Getting the "new" wing approved.
* Separation issues.
* Satisfying customer specifications in time for delivery.
* Getting the A380-800F back on track.
* GP7200 flight tests.

By this time next year it should have been in service for six months and both engine variants delivered. I wonder how the programme will look then.
 
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Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:17 pm

Hi Wings,

a very nice summary!

Probably one picture is missing.The LH A388 from the ILA2006...


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Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:01 pm

 bigthumbsup  for you Wings for the very nice summary you've done! I wish Airbus especially the A380 and future versions good luck & and many successful sales  Smile
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:20 am

Way to go Wings!!!

Enjoyed every pic and reading about The Empress.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:30 am

Wings,

Nice post. How is the plane's actual vs. planned performance figures stacking up? I think since we haven't heard anything from the current customers that things are looking good. Does anyone know?

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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:33 am

Wings,
That was a sweet summary.

Does anyone know the Status of the GP7200 testing? I'm managed to lose the pulse on this.

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Further orders this year - either direct sales (Asiana?) or leases (SAA? Air China?) are likely.

I'm very curious about this... However, its almost traditional for customers to see how the EIS goes. (See real fuel burn, etc.) I'm also very curious as to what the operational differences will be between the Trents and the GP7200's.  Smile

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:55 am

WWOW, WINGS very nice post with the all the pictures.
I'm glad to see the (slow) progress of the A380, can't wait to see it in person one day.
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:59 am

Nice overview Wings!

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 5):
How is the plane's actual vs. planned performance figures stacking up? I think since we haven't heard anything from the current customers that things are looking good. Does anyone know?

Not sure, I have doubts about the quick introduction & certification of the GP engines. In todays new Airbus & Singapore say everything is going ok:


"At this time, the delivery schedule is the one we're committed to and the one we're sticking to," Burger says.

Derrick Loh, a Singapore Airlines engineer and inspector based in Toulouse, agrees with the manufacturer's assessment.

"It's proceeding as planned," says Loh, who says there have been minor problems, but nothing major recently.

Tests so far have largely met expectations and even produced a number of pleasant surprises -- such as a lower than expected approach speed and good handling characteristics with virtually no buffet, even at the edge of the aerodynamic envelope.


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Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:06 am

Very nice Wings... enjoyed your summary... 2007 should be a very interesting year... Airlines will prove the A380... The 787 will take shape! Can't wait!!!!

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
I'm very curious about this... However, its almost traditional for customers to see how the EIS goes.

True but Airbus have 'promised' a couple of new customers this year. They've done so before and delivered. My guess is that we'll a see a few more sales at Farnborough.
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:22 am

I am sure the 380 will be a very comfortable aircraft in which to fly -- I can't wait for my opportunity!

But gosh, don't those passenger windows look small? Can we demand bigger windows please!?
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:40 am

Excellent summary. Set out like that its history looks much more impressive than the patchy coverage of it overflying Filton, or arriving Sydney, or Heathrow or whatever. And nice to see the evacuation test with two lines and a pic put in some sort of context. What was the fuss about on airliners.net? When will more appear on performance? And what of the wing?
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Baroque (Reply 12):
What was the fuss about on airliners.net?

IMO, the ongoing "fuss" in the A.net threads is not without some basis in fact, as evidenced most recently by comments from Tim Clark of EK, which is, after all, the most significant customer of the A380, regarding the "progress"/status of the program, which seem less than enthusiastic, perhaps even somewhat skeptical:

Clark also says Airbus faces “huge hurdles” to meet its April 2007 target to deliver the first Engine Alliance GP7200-powered A380, of which Emirates is launch operator. “I don’t believe for a moment it won’t be tough,” he says. “So far, it’s so good, but cabin integration is an enormous challenge. If it is looking to go beyond that time we have asked them to be as candid as possible with us. But nothing would surprise us.”

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+integrate+A350+technology+on.html

Meanwhile, Emirates, which was the only non-package carrier or leasing company customer to hold firm orders for the A380F (the other customers are FedEx, United Parcel Service and International Lease Finance), has switched its contract for two freighters to the passenger version, taking its orders to 43 aircraft, plus two on lease.

“Final definition and specification freeze were proving elusive,” says Emirates president (airline) Tim Clark. “We needed to protect our delivery positions and switched the order to the passenger version. Once the freighter is ready, we will have another look.”


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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:40 am

Thanks for the great summary,Wings - it is so far a major achievment despite some setbacks in timing.
In ten years nobody will remember the missed deadlines of the A380,and passengers will equally enjoy their flights in the RRJ95,787,A370 and A380..
Everybody on this forum know about the complexities of a new transport system.
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:42 am

Wings,

Nice - The farther (further?) along this bird gets the more I like the way she looks. I have to admit that I hated her at first, but like a lot of women I know she is growing on me... The Singapore and Emirates liveries are particularly nice..

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:49 am

Great summary Wings! I can't wait to see it in flight in person. It is an amazing aircraft.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:17 am

Not to stir things up, but it seems to me that it takes an awful long time for A380 from first flight to EIS. I summarized a while ago, the time needed for each of Boeing's first in the family prototype from first flight to EIS. It spans between 10-12 months, including the first 747.

A380's first flight was in April 2005 with EIS is projected to be in December 2006. That is a good 19 months from first flight to EIS. I know it is "the most complicated" commercial aircraft ever flies. However, It takes almost twice the amount of time needed for flight testing, which is a pretty long time for me.

I do not know what is the norm in Airbus's aircraft families, but I bet it is not far from Boeing's.

Any ideas?

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:22 am

Nice overview, thanks. What's the next major milestone on the horizon?
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:33 am

Excellent Wings! Nice to look back in the history of the 380!

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 17):

I think it's just such an innovation that it needs more time. It's so big, so full of new things, and it's the first full 2 deck planes, it just needs more fine tuning I guess. Oh well, it may take longer but I think it's good to have long flight test to be sure all is really fine.

Anyway, can't wait to see it fly commercially!
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:08 am

I have become wiser now that I have read that neat progess report. Thanks!
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 19):
I think it's just such an innovation that it needs more time. It's so big, so full of new things, and it's the first full 2 deck planes,

There have been others....the Douglas C124 Globemaster II is one that comes to mind and the Convair XC99 is another. There's also a Breguet airliner of the fifties that was a double decker.

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/modern_flight/mf9.htm

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:33 am

You've missed the 6 Virgin Atlantic orders from your post.
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:39 am

Thanks Wings. Having seen the A380 in person at ILA in Berlin, your summary brings back some sweet memories. I can't wait to see the baby (ahhem ... however large she maybe  Smile) fly.
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 22):
You've missed the 6 Virgin Atlantic orders from your post

From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:46 am

BTW does anyone have any new pics of the A380 with the GP7200? whats the size difference between the RR engines and the GP7200??
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Total firm orders: 159
Total Options: 70
Total Order + Options: 224

What type of math do they teach in Portugal? In most of the world 159 + 70 would equal 229.
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:54 am

NIce history lesson Wings - good job.
Can't wait to see the big bird on this side of the pond....won't be too long now. While I doubt it will make an appearance here in Seattle, YVR is a short drive and SFO and LAX are pretty quick flights. BTW, I think the Kingfisher livery looks great on the Whale.
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 24):
From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

Umm... what? Are you serious? Is the "grapevine" for real, or is this just another a.net rumor we should discard?
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 25):
Howdy all,

Lets all hug..

You just couldn't leave well enough alone, could you?

Quoting ER757 (Reply 32):
BTW, I think the Kingfisher livery looks great on the Whale.

I thought so before, but the pic in this thread of it make the 380 look, well, whale-like, which I don't normally see. Oddly enough, in the pic with the A380 in the foreground and the BA 744 in the background, the juxtaposition made the 744 look like it was missing something. It's the same feeling I got looking at my dad's old Ford Ranchero.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 32):
While I doubt it will make an appearance here in Seattle

Bummer. But I can't imagine it either.

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 24):
From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

That will be a very interesting announcement if it takes place. Why A330's though?

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:56 am

A great post! Hope all goes well in the next few months -- these upcoming years will be very interesting indeed in the world of commercial aviation (and construction equipment).  bigthumbsup 
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 33):
From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

Umm... what? Are you serious? Is the "grapevine" for real, or is this just another a.net rumor we should discard?

Same 'grapevine' says a certain package delivery company that likes to put brown paint on their aircraft will not be taking theirs as well. Supposedly due to termination clauses due to performance (either program or a/c).
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:52 pm

Howdy all,

Well I was on travel (ERJs are not my favorite) and now I am back. Also I am amazed at how md83 still flying with AA after 22 years. Douglas built some tough birds. But I digress this is after all a whalejet lovein.

I am surprised that I have not been banned or my post deleted so a big congrats to all fellow A.net members and yes even to our beleaguered and overworked moderators.

I understand Keesje had to respond and at least he did it with humor. Although I meant the kiss in a european cheek to cheek kind of way and you had to misconstrue it . LOL, not that there is anything wrong with it.

Anyways back to the lovein.

Here is a poem to contribute to the cause.

Roses are red , violets are blue, I dont like the a380 but I think you do!

Ok., my offer for posting a 787 bash thread is still open so just give me a holler.

Peace

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:15 pm

Quoting TrevD (Reply 36):
Same 'grapevine' says a certain package delivery company that likes to put brown paint on their aircraft will not be taking theirs as well. Supposedly due to termination clauses due to performance (either program or a/c).

I heard aircraft performance was the reason VS didn't want them any more. Turns out they are really no cheaper to operate than a 744.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 33):
Umm... what? Are you serious? Is the "grapevine" for real, or is this just another a.net rumor we should discard?

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 38):
I heard aircraft performance was the reason VS didn't want them any more. Turns out they are really no cheaper to operate than a 744.

If this were true with oil at $70+/barrel, then how would they have compared from a CASM standpoint if oil were (again) at say $40/barrel? Maybe that's not a fair question until we know the true operating performance of the A380, but if the case for it was predicated on lower fuel costs, I would be surprised if they ended up with no appreciable CASM improvement over the 747.

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Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:46 pm

The A380 was designed to have a CASM 15-20% lower than the 747-400, I am pretty confident Airbus will be able to meet these targets.

CASM is lower but also the A380 can have a far percentage configured as 1st class or business class simply because it has far more floor space. So even if CASM was similar (which I doubt) a A380 would make more money net at similar load factors.
 
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:59 pm

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 13):
IMO, the ongoing "fuss" in the A.net threads is not without some basis in fact

Surely - there is room for fuss. The A380 is a big program and it seems to be quite a big plane (joke!). I was just suggesting that looking at Wings condensed version of the history since the first flight puts at least some of the great uncertainties of a few months ago in a very interesting and, I thought, informative context. Most look like blips, when at the time they looked like a mountain range. But the wing remains and we dont have much in the way of updates on fuel burn let alone comparisons of the Trents with the GP engines.

I dont suppose that Wings or anyone else here assumes there are not other major problems ahead. But the account he gives does suggest that huge problems, met by huge resources and perhaps a bit of talent have yielded some sort of record of progress.

I agree Leelaw, just having a wide perspective view of the project tells you about history and does not prove that other problems will not arise. But it does, however, suggest that history now indicates they will more likely than not be overcome.

Quoting Elvis777 (Reply 25):
So I invite you to start a thread (or continue the thread) on how the 787 is having some trouble.

With all due respect Elvis, I think you are really missing the point of Wings' contribution. What I, for one, would find much more interesting would be a similar treatment of the 787 to show progress on that project. And not in the hope that there will be comparisons, but just, would you believe, because finding out how aviation is progressing is interesting. Sure the problems are interesting, but most are overcome. And ultimately the progress is more significant than the set-backs.

So let us be positive about something. I thought Australia was the land of the knockers, but it seems we might have to look to our hard earned laurels.
 
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:01 pm

Thanks for all the kind words folks. Hopefully this small summary will help us all understand the certification process just a little better.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 31):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Total firm orders: 159
Total Options: 70
Total Order + Options: 224

What type of math do they teach in Portugal? In most of the world 159 + 70 would equal 229.

Well pointed out 474218, Simply a typo on my part. As for the maths lesson's I can place the blame on Australia  Wink

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 22):
You've missed the 6 Virgin Atlantic orders from your post.

Virgin was a launch customer. This small summary was basically the process since the inaugural flight until the present day.

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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:15 pm

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 24):
From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

That sort of sounds questionable, no offence intended.

It is hard to imagine a world with A380's not in Virgin colours. The aircraft is perfect for the types of services Virgin likes providing their customers.
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 42):
Well pointed out 474218, Simply a typo on my part. As for the maths lesson's I can place the blame on Australia

Look, we are an unimportant country and we like being blamed because it gets us attention. But how did we do that? For my part I assumed that your maths was correct and had included a factor to allow for Airbus salesmen - known as the L factor.
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:28 pm

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 43):
Quoting Rick767 (Reply 24):
From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

That sort of sounds questionable, no offence intended.

I agree. It would be a blow to the A380 project and also a complete U-turn by Branson.

However, why did the A380 that visited LHR not appear with temporary VS colours, in the same way that it bore temporary colours of SQ, QF, and EK when visiting SIN, SYD and DXB etc? Furthermore, why was the Airbus reception for the Press and VIPs at LHR co-hosted with EK rather than VS?

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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:39 pm

BTW, how is the status of certification by now? How many hours of flight done? What does remain on the menu? Any likely certification date?

Thanks

[Edited 2006-06-09 10:52:47]
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 24):
From the grapevine, VS are not getting the A380 any more. Official announcement will be in due course, but look for an order conversion to A330s.

This rumour has been doing the rounds for about 4 months now, and according to multiple sources within Virgin it is false.
 
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting A520 (Reply 46):
How many hours of flight done?

By last Friday, A380s had logged 1437.5 hours in the air on 415 flights as it moves closer to certification. Officials say the flight test program is on track and they do not envisage any delays beyond the six months already announced.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19407451-23349,00.html

IIRC, total flight test is anticipated to be 2,500 hours.
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:59 pm

The a380 is starting to become part of our world  Smile
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting Baroque (Reply 44):

Look, we are an unimportant country and we like being blamed because it gets us attention. But how did we do that? For my part I assumed that your maths was correct and had included a factor to allow for Airbus salesmen - known as the L factor.

I should have explained by self better. I studied in Australia and not in Portugal  Smile

Quoting A520 (Reply 46):
BTW, how is the status of certification by now? How many hours of flight done? What does remain on the menu? Any likely certification date?

Well keesje provided us with a good link in regards to your question. As of last Friday the A380 had logged

1437.5 hours of flight
415 flights

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19407451-23349,00.html

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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 47):
This rumour has been doing the rounds for about 4 months now, and according to multiple sources within Virgin it is false

Clearly it depends who you talk to in Virgin! My source is recent and reliable.

As we all know, Branson loves his publicity and will seek it at any event he can. However the VS PR dept made no metnion of the A380's first visit to the UK.

So on the day the world's largest passenger airliner arrives in London for the very first time, what was the big Virgin PR event / announcement made by the one UK airline who ordered the aircraft?.... Nothing. Zip. Silence.

What livery adorned the A380 aircraft which flew to LHR? Basic Airbus colours. Not even a VS sticker.

I'm sorry but that is not how Branson / Virgin PR operates. They are keeping their heads down on this one because the order will be cancelled / converted.
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:27 pm

Quoting Rick767 (Reply 51):
I'm sorry but that is not how Branson / Virgin PR operates. They are keeping their heads down on this one because the order will be cancelled / converted.

Someone had better tell their training department then, because pilots are still receiving training on the A380....
 
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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:30 pm

Good work, Wings. Will we be seeing the bird at Lisboa?

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RE: Airbus A380. It's Progress.

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 52):
Someone had better tell their training department then, because pilots are still receiving training on the A380....

2.5 - 3 years before Entry Into Service? SIA only started their A380 pilot type rating training early this year for EIS late this year.

Do you know what VS pilots being trained on? Can't imagine what they would need to know nearly 3 years in advance.
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