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AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:02 am

The first 767-300 in AA's fleet to sport the next generation business class product entered service today between DFW and LAX as flight number 2407. The aircraft will overnight in LAX today and fly LAX-HNL for the next three days as flight numbers 31 to HNL and 162 back to LAX.

The aircraft, tail # 396, is the first in American's fleet of 767-300s to get the new business class product, IFE and cabin interior. The entire fleet will be outfitted with the new lie-flat seets this fall, with project completion expected in January 2007. At that time, AA will introduce the new product on it's 777s while also installing Flagship Suites on those 777s that don't already have it.
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willyj
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:10 am

Why would they waste the new seats on Hawaii flights? Shouldn't they try to use them on routes where their prodect is inferior - like JFK/ORD/DFW-CDG or JFK-ZRH??
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:19 am

I too find it interesting that they send the first plane to Hawaii for three days. People flying to Hawaii even in business class don't pay that high of fares. There might be a reason to keep it flying domestic in case there are technical problems with the seat, which are inevitable with any new design.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:20 am

I would guess HNL turns out of LAX would be advantageous in that the aircraft will see more segments flown in fewer number of days, giving maintenance the ability to test the product real-time without inconveniencing passengers on longer, more premium routes should their be maintenance issues with the new seat. Flying the aircraft on shorter stage lengths will put more people in those seats in a fewer number of days to truly test the seat's performance.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:22 am

They aren't permanetley set for Hawai'i right now. They will be used mainly on JFK-EZE, MIA-GRU, DFW-LGW, and, soon, RDU-LGW, as they are phased in. However, it is too expensive to guarantee they will be on any given route because of subs, etc. AA will attempt to rotate them into those routes, but isn't going to go out of their way to do it, with DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW being the exception, since the reason the 777 is being dropped from RDU-LGW is because the new business class is an accepetable replacement for the F class service that was offered.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 1):
Why would they waste the new seats on Hawaii flights?

Its basically an in-service trial. Keeping the plane on closed loop flying from a 767 maintenance base will allow AA to monitor if any issues come up with the new cabins.
A wide scale roll out of the new cabins are not planned until after the new year.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:28 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 1):
Why would they waste the new seats on Hawaii flights? Shouldn't they try to use them on routes where their prodect is inferior - like JFK/ORD/DFW-CDG or JFK-ZRH??

The aicraft is supposedly only doing Hawaii turns for ~1 week before it starts regular Europe service.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:53 am

MAH4546-
When the RDU-LGW is downgraded to a 767 will it have the same routing, thus making all AA flights from DFW to LGW 767s?  Confused
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:43 am

I have only seen diagrams of the new 767-300 layout, but the best feature to me is the addition of a cross-aisle just behind the galley. It is very annoying to both the PAX and the F/A's when people have to cross through the cramped galley to use the lav. This is a major improvement. I can't wait until they're all converted.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:25 am

Oh sure.. sweeten the deal for people flying to HNL and then pull the candy away...

Then people will be complaining and wanting compensation for flying on 'old' seats when AA gives them the regular seating back.

I take it that the new Business Class seats will be deployed on International routes only?
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 9):
I take it that the new Business Class seats will be deployed on International routes only?

No, I believe it's a 767 fleet wide enhancement. It may take a while, but it'll happen. Hawaii will eventually get them full time.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 9):
I take it that the new Business Class seats will be deployed on International routes only?

The entire 763 fleet will be outfitted with the new seat/interior/IFE by January 2007.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:09 am

---NEXT-GENERATION BUSINESS CLASS DEBUTS TODAY ON 767---
After much anticipation, American's new 767-300 Next-Generation Business Class prototype aircraft entered service today. The new cabin enhancements on the 767-300s will result in a more competitive product in the international marketplace. The investment is necessary to maintain American's market share while delivering products and services that customers value and appreciate. The new product features a lie-flat Business Class seat, new overhead bins and a new inflight entertainment system. American will officially unveil the Next-Generation Business Class at the National Business Travel Association (NBTA) Convention and Exposition in Chicago next month. The remaining 767-300 aircraft will begin receiving these enhancements beginning in September.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:30 am

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? Dying to find out! Any help is MUCH appreciated! YAHOO!!!
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 7):
MAH4546-
When the RDU-LGW is downgraded to a 767 will it have the same routing, thus making all AA flights from DFW to LGW 767s? Confused

Yes, it will have the same routing, DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW. However, DFW-LGW will still have a daily 777 flight.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:55 am

One quick question: do us peons in steerage get the new overhead bins and Boeing interior design, too; or will it still be the 1980s boxy bins?
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:30 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 15):
do us peons in steerage get the new overhead bins and Boeing interior design, too

Sort of... the new interior is only being installed from the front back to the mid-cabin galley, or through the twilight zone which has 28 main cabin seats.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting N725RW (Reply 13):
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? Dying to find out! Any help is MUCH appreciated! YAHOO!!!

Over on Flyertalk, someone mentioned it is very similar to LH's new J class, so search for some pictures of that.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:52 pm

The twilight zone  Smile I love that name for that mini-cabin.
I wonder if they'll ever get rid of it in a future config. Seems like a waste of space, as much as I like it.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:52 pm

The twilight zone  Smile I love that name for that mini-cabin.
I wonder if they'll ever get rid of it in a future config. Seems like a waste of space, as much as I like it.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:29 am

From what I understand, the aircraft N396AA will rotate for several weeks in the LAX-HNL and LAX-ORD. Most likely through summer. The conversions will begin on the rest of the fleet in Sept. Each airplane will take approximately 2-3 weeks to convert.
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:42 am

does anyone know the seat count of AA's new cabin? Biz vs Econ?
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:45 am

Here is a link to the brochure for AA's new seat. It's interesting how they played on the "innovative" tray table setup and the "next generation" entertainment (or rather a DigiPlayer) because they have no seatback entertainment...wonder how long those batteries are going to last!

http://www.wswinteractive.com/dallas...aa/AANextGeneration767BizClass.pdf

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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 22):
wonder how long those batteries are going to last!

The new PEDs (personal electronic devices) will have two powerports from which to plug the device into should you not want to run off battery power. There is one in the seatback where the device is stored and there is an additional one in the seat for customer's use with other electronic devices. The device is completely portable, allowing customers to use it from its storage spot, on their lap, tray table, where ever, and contains movies, tv programs, music, newspapers, magazines and games.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 23):
The new PEDs (personal electronic devices) will have two powerports from which to plug the device into should you not want to run off battery power

Thank God...I'm assuming the power cord will at least be able to 'hide' in the tray table (when in the up position) along with the PED? Cords are not fun to deal with; one is enough for the headset!

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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:02 am

Quoting CX750 (Reply 21):
does anyone know the seat count of AA's new cabin? Biz vs Econ?

The biz class capacity will remain the same at 30 seats. Economy is actually getting extra seats with the removal of the two aft center lavs in main cabin. Apparently having six lavs in main cabin is unheard of on the 763, so AA opted to remove the two aft center lavs and add six more seats. Main cabin capacity will now be 195.

There are already eight 763s in AA's fleet with 193 seats in coach with an all 777-style interior. Those aircraft were delivered new in 2003. Those aircraft are short two seats due to an oversized lav in the twilight zone.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:14 am

Tail number 396 will continue it's LAX-HNL-LAX run through June 12. On June 13 it is scheduled to fly 1364 from LAX to ORD and then flight 88 from ORD to BRU, then BRU-ORD-GLA as flights 89 and 52 on the 14th.

So, come the 13th, it looks like it will enter regular service to Europe, at least from ORD. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to rotate the AC among the various bases to get feedback from a wide flight attendant and customer base.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:59 am

Damn! My computer won't let me look at pdf files!

Have to wait until I get home!

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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting N725RW (Reply 27):
Damn! My computer won't let me look at pdf files!

Don't hold your breath - there aren't any proper pix, just schematic diagrams.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:20 pm

does anyone know what the new B777 config will be? F/C/Y? Thanks.
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Willyj (Reply 1):
Shouldn't they try to use them on routes where their prodect is inferior - like JFK/ORD/DFW-CDG or JFK-ZRH

You forgot the Triple 7's back and forth from NRT....if any route is in need of better cabins,  checkmark 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:27 pm

Quoting CX750 (Reply 29):
does anyone know what the new B777 config will be? F/C/Y?

16/35/194. Capacity won't change on the T7, from what I understand, except for some aircraft going from 18 to 16 in first with the addition of Flagship Suites in those aircraft that don't already have them.
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:06 pm

I have to say this product doesn't look all that exciting. I am however quite excited to see what BA has up its sleave for its premium cabins.
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:35 am

Any idea on the internal configs: First 1x2x1, Business 2x3x2?? thanks.
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:42 am

Correct, Flagship Suites (First) are 1x2x1 and Business will remain 2x3x2 (on the 777s).
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:05 am

After looking at the .pdf, why doesn't AA just put VOM accross the fleet? Also, why not put the new overhead bins on the entire aircraft? I seriously think it's going to look redicoulsy odd to walk from C cabin to Y cabin and see a change in the overhead bins! Remember Carroll Burnett Show in the "No Frills Airline" where the carpet ended after First Class. Honestly, AA get with the program. . .
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:23 am

Does anyone have pics?
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:51 am

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 23):
The new PEDs (personal electronic devices) will have two powerports from which to plug the device into should you not want to run off battery power. There is one in the seatback where the device is stored and there is an additional one in the seat for customer's use with other electronic devices. The device is completely portable, allowing customers to use it from its storage spot, on their lap, tray table, where ever, and contains movies, tv programs, music, newspapers, magazines and games

After flying way too many day 767 flights from Europe I can tell you I'd settle for just a moving map! It's not so bad going over and on the SA routes because I sleep and don't really care so much. I am glad to see that AA is stepping up with it's business class product. AA is good if I want to sit and do nothing. But, if I want entertainment or to be productive in flight, I have to stick with other airlines (such as LH for it's onboard internet). Anxious to see how it turns out. Last month I did a FCO ORD and due to headwinds the flight lasted 11 hours 20 minutes. On a day flight on all but now a few AA's 767-300's - that's a beat down.
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:57 pm

WHRE are the pics of it? You mean to tell me there is not ONE AA employee who works in LA, DFW or any other city that has access to this aircraft & can't snap a pic of it? A while ago, an a.net member said he actualy had seen the cabin (sorry, forgot the screen name now) ... if so, why don't he/she post a pic of it!!!!!
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:18 pm

As of now, subject to change, the aircraft will be in DFW on the 20th. I will attempt to take some pics. But depending on how busy I am, I cannot guarentee that I can take the time.
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting N725RW (Reply 35):
After looking at the .pdf, why doesn't AA just put VOM accross the fleet? Also, why not put the new overhead bins on the entire aircraft? I seriously think it's going to look redicoulsy odd to walk from C cabin to Y cabin and see a change in the overhead bins! Remember Carroll Burnett Show in the "No Frills Airline" where the carpet ended after First Class. Honestly, AA get with the program. . .

At least American will have a real new business class to promote. You can always fly Delta, which is promoting their "new" business class: new seat covers, new memory foam (wow!), new tv, expanded wine list, mile high Mojitos (whatever that means). It's a joke, Delta style.
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N725RW
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:49 am

I notice that AA had a new T7 delivery. Does that have the First Class suites as well as the new C-Class?
 
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RE: AA's New Biz-class Takes Flight Today

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:55 am

I was actually at DFW when N7CB was delivered. It is the current standard configuation. 777's will not get the new product till the 767 fleet is done. Then there is RUMOR the 777's will also go two-class. J/Y

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