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Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:02 am

reading my bulletins yesterday we got a new one saying service to KIN and SDQ from FLL will be dropped if i remember correctly on september 9th, any info about this? there wasn't more info on the bulletin, is still pending

[Edited 2006-06-08 20:04:24]
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:04 am

Yes, it is true, but US Airways will still fly to Kingston on Saturdays from Charlotte (definitley not going to last) and to Santo Domingo on Saturdays from Philadelphia.

America West management never liked the FLL focus city. Now only LGA, MCO, and EYW are left.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Now only LGA, MCO, and EYW are left.

I thought CUN was still served as well. Daily A319, IIRC.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:38 am

Wasn't the whole FLL focus city thing a Baldanza thing before he came to NK??

Quoting M180up (Thread starter):
reading my bulletins yesterday we got a new one saying service to KIN and SDQ from FLL will be dropped if i remember correctly on september 9th

I guess thats good news for us!!
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:09 am

How about FLL-CUN? I heard that is going away too but isn't listed here...
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:16 am

Really a shame. US Airways strategy has shifted with management shifts and quite frankly AA wasn't going to allow another legacy to come into their territory. We will see if NK can make it for the long haul on these routes or if eventually they pull back as well.

I do have to say though if an airline cannot make FLL-KIN work, they aren't trying hard enough. While most people from Latin America and Carribean prefer MIA even if they live in Broward, the Jamaicans that I know in Miami-Dade prefer FLL and obviously so do the Jamaicans in Broward. I guess US is just pulling the plug on FLL altogther, so hopefully they'll give up some gates and allow Jet Blue or WN to expand.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:22 am

yea, I see this more of a strategy change versus poor performance on the flights. US just doesn't have the aircraft to do what they need to do there.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:32 am

Excellent news for Delta who just started this route.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:32 am

They really have cut back in FLL. I was just looking through a really old newspaper that had an advertisement with a map of all the new routes that were being started from FLL.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
Excellent news for Delta who just started this route.

What route did Delta start?
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 9):
What route did Delta start?

DL just inaugurated service to KIN. However, US's cancellation of FLL-KIN won't do much to help Delta. The FLL-KIN route was mostly O+D with minimal connections.

DL's ATL-KIN will rely heavily on connections if the route is to survive.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
Now only LGA, MCO, and EYW are left.

What frequency is LGA-FLL on US? Is there enough O&D to sustain the remaining FLL flights?
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 4):
How about FLL-CUN? I heard that is going away too but isn't listed here...

The route is staying. I don't expect FLL-CUN to be discontinued, but never say never. FLL-CUN was existed before the US Airways' minihub.

Also the latest wild (and I won't believe it until I see a PR) rumour going around is that US might be doing some minor international expansion out of MIA when the new Star terminal comes around. We'll see, I don't buy it, but it has been going around.

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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:24 am

Quoting M180up (Thread starter):
correctly on September 9th, any info about this?

September 2nd

Quoting Nkops (Reply 3):
I guess thats good news for us!!

Not that good DL is on the way

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 5):
US Airways strategy has shifted with management shifts and quite frankly AA wasn't going to allow another legacy to come into their territory.

AA had nothing to do with it, it was really HP management and NK combined with customs facilities not built to handle the flights and it was doomed from the start.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The route is staying. I don't expect FLL-CUN to be discontinued

FLL-CUN is going to Saturday only service

Overall FLL will go down to about 20 flights, off topic but today flight 706 is operating as a 767 something you will not see US do at FLL for probably a very long time

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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 9):
What route did Delta start?

I am sorry. I meant to say Delta just started this route out of ATL, not FLL. I said it might be great for Delta because they have a big prescence in florida and can route the FLL pax up to ATL and down to KIN.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 14):
I said it might be great for Delta because they have a big prescence in florida and can route the FLL pax up to ATL and down to KIN.

They have JM to feed them in from KIN and MBJ

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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Also the latest wild (and I won't believe it until I see a PR) rumour going around is that US might be doing some minor international expansion out of MIA when the new Star terminal comes around. We'll see, I don't buy it, but it has been going around.

The rumor I've heard is that per agreement with Miami-Dade County, Star must have minimum 35 flights out of the new terminal. I 've counted the following (although I could be off by a few):

AC - 1 flight
LH - 1 flight
LX - 1 flight
RG - 3 flights (2 GRU, 1 GIG)
UA - 6 flights (2 IAD, 2 ORD, 2 DEN)
US - 18 flights (5 CLT, 2 LAS, 5 NAS, 4 PHL, 1 PHX, 1 PIT)

Total - 30, provided RG stays afloat. As it's unlikely that any international carrier would add flights to reach the 35 minimum, it would be up to UA or US. Given that I'm a former MIA UA employee, all my rumors come from UA sources and I've heard that UA might make up the slack with a few TED flights out to the West Coast. Again, all pure speculation.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:08 am

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 16):
US - 18 flights (5 CLT, 2 LAS, 5 NAS, 4 PHL, 1 PHX, 1 PIT)

Since when does US have 5 flts from MIA-NAS?
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:13 am

Well US should just give up on the FLL focus city, they've basically just given up on it.

Actually at one point the focus city looked like it had a bright future as a point where US could fly to points that relied on O&D traffic that couldnt be served elsewhere in the US system. Also for people in the South Florida region who wanted a alternative to AA and MIA..

So long US FLL Focus City  wink 

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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 16):
AC - 1 flight
LH - 1 flight
LX - 1 flight
RG - 3 flights (2 GRU, 1 GIG)
UA - 6 flights (2 IAD, 2 ORD, 2 DEN)
US - 18 flights (5 CLT, 2 LAS, 5 NAS, 4 PHL, 1 PHX, 1 PIT)

AC is four flights - 3x YYZ and 1x YUL. However, June through September, only 2x (YYZ and YUL on SaSu).

Varig is schedule is very inconsistent, but never more than two daily flights. US does not fly MIA-NAS, those are codeshares with Bahamasair, and MIA-LAS is 1x daily.

UAL is supposed to re-start MIA-SFO this fall, from what I hear. Daily 757 or 319 to connect with trans-Pacific, it is supposed to be TED.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 17):
Since when does US have 5 flts from MIA-NAS?

They don't, they are part of the codeshare with Bahamasair(UP)..When the FLL focus city was announced, USX(PSA) was going to fly FLL-NAS/PLS with CRJ's.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 17):
Since when does US have 5 flts from MIA-NAS?

Didn't realize it was a code-share. Sorry.

So, if you reduce the 5 flights (and 1 to LAS), and make adjustments for RG's and AC's changing schedule, we're talking about 23 to 26-ish Star flights from MIA. If the 35 flight rumor is true, who do you think would pick up the flights? UAL bringing back MIA-SFO would be great, and I could see an additional IAD given the expansion there.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:28 pm

There is currently only 1 dailly frequency FLL-LGA on US. This flight will be gone on the September schedule change, as well.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 21):
So, if you reduce the 5 flights (and 1 to LAS), and make adjustments for RG's and AC's changing schedule, we're talking about 23 to 26-ish Star flights from MIA. If the 35 flight rumor is true, who do you think would pick up the flights? UAL bringing back MIA-SFO would be great, and I could see an additional IAD given the expansion there.

Well, UA could definitley beef up. It is pathetic they only have two dailies to IAD and ORD in the first place. They should be at least 3x daily each. DEN could probably handle a third daily as well. Bring back LAX and SFO, and boom, UA is at 11x.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:19 pm

I must say, as a regular flier out of FLL, I regret this news. I've flown US from here on a variety of occasions, and the experience has always been good. For the airline industry, I suppose that reduction of capacity is necessary thing - but I can't say as I really want to see it in my home. In fact, from US I was hoping for the opposite, so I could perhaps catch some of their more 'interesting' aircraft. Ah well, will just have to do that in other ways, I guess ...  Sad
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:48 am

Well... this dramatically decreases my options for SDQ. My family owns a house outside of SDQ and now it looks like we will be left with just a week of vacation time or to check on the house. Looks like its back to AA for us unfortunately. I really like US too. No more long weekends in the Dominican Republic.  Sad

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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 13):
Not that good DL is on the way

I meant strictly out of FLL.

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 25):
Well... this dramatically decreases my options for SDQ.

You won't fly NK??? It's a 321.. can't be that bad!
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting John (Reply 22):
There is currently only 1 dailly frequency FLL-LGA on US. This flight will be gone on the September schedule change, as well.

its the same flight that is coming from kin, the routing is kin/fll/lga

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 13):
September 2nd

checked my bulletin just a few seconds ago, its sep 5th, but we still have info pending, no new updates from us side
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:08 pm

Quoting Nkops (Reply 26):
I meant strictly out of FLL.

So did I, DL is rumored to start international flights from FLL in the near future.

Quoting Nkops (Reply 26):
You won't fly NK??? It's a 321.. can't be that bad!

Overall the flight may not be that bad but arriving in FLL on a 321 combined with a few 319's and an AV 757 sometimes 767 can make clearing immigration and customs a disaster.

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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:15 pm

i just sent an e-mail to scott kirby our vp of marketing on this. i really hope they do not f-up the sdq service. at least move it to daily service out of phl and not just sat service. they should have 2 times daily from phl-sdq . and kin should be moved up to phl as well not clt. you have a lot of local trafric on that flt. most of the tourist traffic goes to mbj. i hope they don't fu## our carribean ops up. we are not a regional airline any more and we have got to think big.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:25 pm

The problem is that there are much higher yiuelding markets that these aircraft would be better utilized on. KIN and SDQ are both leisure and VFR markets. The new US is focused on the high yield biz traveller. The increased revenue Doug spoke of on the last conference call makes the point.

Personally, I'd like to see FLL-EYW dropped as well. Move the 170 to CLT-EYW, and eliminate the double connection that most US customers have when flying to EYW. DL has had success with ATL-EYW, but frequently goes weight restricted. The 170 shouldn't have that problem getting out of EYW to CLT.
 
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 30):
KIN and SDQ are both leisure and VFR markets.

SDQ and KIN are not leisure markets. There is very little tourist traffic to the airports, hence they have limited US service. PUJ and MBJ, respectively, are the tourist detinations on the islands. Yields are excellent to both Santo Domingo and Kingston because of limited number of flights and very strong business traffic, especially from South Florida. It is surprising US Airways' couldn't get them to work, because Kingston and Santo Domingo, along with Port of Spain and Port au Prince, are some of the yield gems of the Caribbean because they lack tourist traffic, have limited service with respect to demand, and have heavy business and government traffic.
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RE: Us Airways Will Discontinue Service To KIN And SDQ

Sun Jun 11, 2006 2:10 am

Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 16):
AC - 1 flight
LH - 1 flight
LX - 1 flight
RG - 3 flights (2 GRU, 1 GIG)
UA - 6 flights (2 IAD, 2 ORD, 2 DEN)
US - 18 flights (5 CLT, 2 LAS, 5 NAS, 4 PHL, 1 PHX, 1 PIT)

Swiss isn't flying ZRH-MIA daily, only 5 weekly.
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