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CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:57 am

This is what Scott Hamilton, an aviation consultant from Washington called the airplane in comments about Mesa Airines Hawaii based airline "Go". The airline will start service tomorrow with 32 daily flights between HNL and LIH, OGG and KOA. Mesa has started a fare war with fares of $19.00 one way that were quickly matched by Hawaiian Airlines.
I've never flown on a CRJ 200. Are they that bad?

Full article here:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...AID=/20060608/BUSINESS03/606080357

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:03 am

He's not far off in my opinion.

I'm 5'10, 170, but broad-shouldered. I'm miserable every time I'm on one of them. I have yet to find a good spot in which to sit. It is much worse if you have two average-sized men sitting next to each other; you become very friendly with your neighbor.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:10 am

I have to agree with HALFA. I'm 6'2", and while sitting in coach in a B737 is difficult for me, a CRJ200 is like torture.

I can't even stand up straigh when entering one. I mean, I can't even just duck my head, I have to bend at the waist to keep my head from hitting the top of the fuselage.

But, what the hell do you want for a $38 round trip flight?
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:15 am

I fly on about 20 of these sardine cans each year, and I loathe every single flight in them, despite me being small (5'6" 130 lbs) and being in the exit row. Seats are very narrow, very slim padding, the windows are way too low...I've gone 600 miles out of my way just to get MD-88s instead of flying these soup cans. The CRJ-700 is a little better, but give me any Embraer for an RJ over any Canadair.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:17 am

I am 6'3'' and find a CRJ-200 difficult, however, I prefer it to the Embraer 145, unless of course you get one of the single seats.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
fly on about 20 of these sardine cans each year, and I loathe every single flight in them, despite me being small (5'6" 130 lbs) and being in the exit row. Seats are very narrow, very slim padding, the windows are way too low...I've gone 600 miles out of my way just to get MD-88s instead of flying these soup cans. The CRJ-700 is a little better, but give me any Embraer for an RJ over any Canadair.

Jeff,

I'm right there with you. My complaint is they now want to fly them from major city to major city. I understand going from a hub to a small city in some cases. I'll do what it takes to get out of flying them. As far as an Embraer it has my vote.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:23 am

Personally I think every CRJ from the 200 to the 900 is a miserable airplane to fly on but hey for a flight that short and a low price like that who cares? and anyway isn't GO supposed to use Ejets soon?
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:26 am

CRJ200 and -900s are horrible in terms of comfort--supposedly the -700s, -705s are eons better.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:28 am

I hate how low the windows are on the earlier CRJs. I'm 5'5" & have to duck to look out them.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:28 am

I don't find them that bad. I'm 5'10'', so I'm not at tall as the rest of you, but found them to be okay. The low windows were really obnoxious, I had a headache at the end of the flight from having to bend down to see outside. But other than that it's no worse than the ERJ. I'm don't understand all the complaints from people.

Plus on a short hour-or-so long flight inter-Hawaii they shouldn't be bad. It's when you get closer to two hours that they become a pain, but that's with any small airplane.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:28 am

How long are these flights going to be anyway? I can't imagine that an inter-island flight would ever be more than 1 hour.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:31 am

I hate them. It's the seats for me. Everytime I fly on one, I get a backache and headache. The back cushions are bolstered wrong and the bottom cushions are too thin.

The worst one was MSP-DFW on an American Eagle CRJ-700.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:32 am

Absolutely the worst aircraft I have ever flown on period. Believe it or not its even less comfortable than the Ford 4AT Trimotor I was lucky enough to fly on some years back. At least the Ford had nostalgia and fun in its favor. I am 5'11" and an athletic 215. With someone sitting beside me I have hunch my shoulders forward, spine curved and knees/legs angled sideways. Even the 40 minute PIT-CVG run is torture.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:37 am

My question is how will they turn a profit with those high CASM CRJs even at the $70 fare? I assume they'll put larger capacity jets in the market asap.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting HALFA (Thread starter):
I've never flown on a CRJ 200. Are they that bad?

Short answer - yes.

CRJ-200's suck pants - they are small, cramped, the window is down at knee-level, you have to suffer permanent curvature of the spine if you sit in the window seat, and God forbid you should have anyone in the seat next to you.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:43 am

I have never had a pleasant flight on any airline's CRJ aircraft - if I am forced to fly a commuter jet I try, when possible, to schedule an Embraer even if it is on a carrier that I would normally not prefer.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:44 am

They are the modern day version of an Inquisition torture chamber! Not the -200, but ALL of them. I have sat in the front seat, exit seats, back seats, aisle and windows, AND THEY ALL ARE TUBES OF TORTURE!

I can only hope that DL will one day, ex BK, cancel any remaining orders and place orders with Embraer for E-jets to replace all of them.

I believe that the CRJ's are the French-Canadians joke on the rest of the world, devised to be-devil the best man into torture and madness.

I find the most comfortable RJ to be the FRJ-328's. Too bad they are not around anymore.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:47 am

Well the votes in! Us tall people deffinately hate the damn thing. I can tollerate a CRJ for about as long as I can, nails on a chalk board. The ERJs are a tad better, but its best if youre on the single side of the a/c. Otherwise im with everyone else, at $19 dont complain for 45 mins.  dollarsign 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 12):
Absolutely the worst aircraft I have ever flown on period. Believe it or not its even less comfortable than the Ford 4AT Trimotor I was lucky enough to fly on some years back. At least the Ford had nostalgia and fun in its favor. I am 5'11" and an athletic 215. With someone sitting beside me I have hunch my shoulders forward, spine curved and knees/legs angled sideways. Even the 40 minute PIT-CVG run is torture.

I agree with you! I was going to use PIT-CVG as an example as well, haha! I like Delta, but not when it involves a CRJ!
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:01 am

Did anyone else notice that those are former Independence Air seats with a go! sticker placed over where the "i" was on the seat back!!!
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:02 am

I don't really mind them and I'm 5'11'' and 140lbs. It does depend on the route though. If I have the option to be on a bigger plane, then I usually take it. But on routes that have no other alternatives, or for short flights, I don't mind the CRJ. They are better than turboprops in my opinion since they don't make my head throb since even the newer turboprops with noise cancelling systems make my ears ring after a flight.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:03 am

What I find amazing is the fact that the crj's are the most successful rj program in the history of aviation which just goes to show that airlines in general don´t give a damn to what their customers think.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:05 am

Like others have stated they are the worst, the aircraft type that is.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:10 am

First of all, RoseFlyer, at 5'10" and 140 lbs, you should only be flying on airplanes that serve food, and lots of it.  Wink

Second, yes, the seats suck, yes, the windows are low, but most of all I hate this:

When sitting in a window seat, the curvature of the fuselage does no allow you to put your outside foot down in a natural position. It needs to be tucked under your other leg for the entire flight. Forget about stretching your legs and crossing them.

One ass-cheek always goes numb 15 minutes into the flight!
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:13 am

Good thing GO is picking up E195's I guess.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:14 am

EasternSon, you are dead-on. There is no way to sit comfortably in a CRJ window seat. Once the guy sat in the aisle seat next to me, we basically bumped shoulders the whole flight. Every time I would try to adjust to keep my left shoulder out of his way, I rammed myself into the fuselage. My right foot fell asleep from having to keep tucked under my left. I would rest it up on that ledge some, but that was only a stop-gap measure. I had one briefcase under the seat in front of me, so no room there, either.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:17 am

Numb ass or not, I'm definitely island hopping in HI for $19.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:19 am

True, for $19, I'd peddle my feet like Fred Flintstone to get to Maui. First of all, I'm in Hawaii, Hawaii! Second, I'd be flying to one of the smaller islands. Beaches!

$19 in a tuna can for a short period of time? My foot can stand falling asleep for that.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
I prefer it to the Embraer 145, unless of course you get one of the single seats.

LOL.... you hate the CRJ-200 but enjoy that ERJ-145.... you obviously are somewhat confused. I am only 5'7, i have no problem with the CRJ nor does my friend who is 6'2 . Its actually his favorite plane. The ERJ-145 on the other hand, is the "anorexic" jet in my opinion. You want to talk about weird shaped seats? Its like they are trying to leave us with a permanent souvenir. I believe people make the CRJ series out to be worse than what it really is. IF you board this plane for the first time after reading about it in these forums... I am positive you will find everything wrong with it. Quite frankly you can pick out the smallest of things which are "WRONG" in every single airplane. Perhaps they make the lights to high in the 747 / 757 and people like me cannot reach it? I find it amazing .... that many here could sit in a cessna 152/ 172 cockpit... and remain compfortable (your behind the controls) but you cannot sit in a larger CRJ space?

Keep in mind the plane was designed for "small hops" not 4 hour flights. I like what was said above by that other fellow.... it has been one of the most successful designs of the modern era of flight, and airlines really do not give a dam ... about people and their leg room issues. If there is a problem.. then drive lol Smile If you are flying on a ERJ1 series or CRJ2 series for more than 2 hours, then you should blame the airline.... not the aircraft   .

As i said I dont have much of a problem with it and nor do many. It is the perfect aircraft for the role it was designed for  

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting CF188A (Reply 28):
LOL.... you hate the CRJ-200 but enjoy that ERJ-145.... you obviously are somewhat confused.

Eh? No I prefer the CRJ-200 to the ERJ-145. Sorry, I thought I'd made that clear
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 10):
How long are these flights going to be anyway? I can't imagine that an inter-island flight would ever be more than 1 hour.

I've never had the (mis)fortune of flying a CRJ so I naturally can't attest to their level of comfort. That said, one only needs to take a look at the interisland competition:

AQ: 732s (old, loud, not very clean, worn seat padding)
Island Air: Dash-8s (slower, notoriously dirty, loud)
HA: 717s (hands down the best - no complaints!)

Approximated flight times are as follows (gate-to-gate / actual time in air)

HNL-LIH (31 min / 15-18 min)
HNL-OGG (40 min / 25-30 min)
HNL-KOA (50 min / 35-38 min)

While some might notice the CRJ's smallish size, I doubt that most average sized pax will care given the flight time and low fares. For my money, I'd fly HA; the 717s are great and they have (practically) hourly flights to the neighbor islands.


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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:42 am

I'm 6 foot 1 and weigh about 180. However, I was flying them two years ago when my weight was around 210 and they were worse then. The windows are tiny, the legroom is awful in every row (slightly less so in 1 or 8) and its loud at the back. In March I took an AA 763 in First to LAX and connected onto a UA CRJ-200 to go to TUS. The latter flight was one of the worst on the year as I was pressed against the window by the beefy gentleman next to me, I don't think you could have put a ruler between us.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:42 am

Back to that article, I love the reference to the E-Jets: Embry Air!!
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:52 am

For $19 it is not a very bad deal! Hmm, I've never been on a CRJ-200 before, but:

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 2):
a CRJ200 is like torture.



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
I fly on about 20 of these sardine cans each year, and I loathe every single flight in them



Quoting Treebeard787 (Reply 6):
CRJ from the 200 to the 900 is a miserable airplane



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 7):
CRJ200 and -900s are horrible in terms of comfort



Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
I hate them.



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 14):
CRJ-200's suck pants - they are small, cramped, the window is down at knee-level, you have to suffer permanent curvature of the spine if you sit in the window seat, and God forbid you should have anyone in the seat next to you.



Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 16):
They are the modern day version of an Inquisition torture chamber!

Makes me think again! Hmm maybe a short hop to the neighbor islands on HA would be a better bet? Of course I would have to experience the the CRJ-200 before making any assumptions about it. Some like it, most apparently don't.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:12 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 10):
How long are these flights going to be anyway? I can't imagine that an inter-island flight would ever be more than 1 hour.

HNL to both OGG and LIH are about 20 minutes. Longest flights are to ITO (Hilo) at about 45 minutes.

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 26):
Numb ass or not, I'm definitely island hopping in HI for $19.

Your ass wont be numb if you take HA. HA has matched GO's $19.00 fares

Quoting 727Tiger (Reply 27):
$19 in a tuna can for a short period of time? My foot can stand falling asleep for that.

It wont have to, just take HA.

Quoting Je89_w (Reply 33):
Hmm maybe a short hop to the neighbor islands on HA would be a better bet?

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:36 am

Quoting EasternSon (Reply 23):
First of all, RoseFlyer, at 5'10" and 140 lbs, you should only be flying on airplanes that serve food, and lots of it.

Haha, and I actually am 5'11''. Being slender has its advantage when flying economy. The seat width isn't a problem. I am perfectly comfortable in a CRJ seat for up to about 1.5 hours as long as the person in front of me does not recline their seat. The windows are only useful for looking down at the ground when flying, but the plane itself isn't that bad when it used on the types of routes that it was designed for. It can be nice to be guaranteed not to have a middle seat. As uncomfortable as the window seats where your feet don't fit properly, a middle seat is worse when you have to fight over the use of both armrests.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:51 am

Whiners. Fly them all the time. Not that bad. I actually find them more comfortable than flying FL hard-as-rock seats.

I think they are perfect for zipping around the islands.
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:54 am

Woah, they still have the Independence Air interiors in those planes.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:24 am

I flew on a USAirways Express CRJ-200... I HATED IT!!!! At the end of the flight, I could hardly breathe...My neck and head were KILLING me. Luckily, my connecting flight was a MUCH MUCH Roomier 737-400. Good God, after getting off a CRJ and onto a 734, I felt like I was on a 747-400
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:26 am

You guys are pathetic and ridiculous. I fly on them all the time and I am 6'1" at 180 lbs and I fly with my buddy who's about 6' and 300lbs...so yes, there you have it...but I find no problem whatsoever...maybe the windows are a bit low for my taste, but I find that I am able to sleep comfortably on them most of the times.

Plus for $19 fares...I will fly on a 172 all the way there.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:43 am

I have flown on both types myself (CRJ-200 and the -700 and the EMB-145) I found that all three have a confining quality to them. The worst flight was BUF to DFW over three hours in the back of a -700 and I can say that the windows were the least of my concerns. Me and the poor girl next to me were not comfortable at all but the worst was EMB-145 from BUF to ORD when we left the terminal to when we arrived at ORD was well over two and a half hours in that cigar tube. We sat on the taxi way in BUF for well over an hour without the benefit of ventilation due to heavy traffic over ORD. This is why I try to avoid any lengthy travel on an regional jet.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:44 am

So if you don't like them, fly something else. I'm 6'2" and 188lbs, and if I can stand riding in it anyone else my size can. Yeah it's smaller than a 737, hence the name "REGIONAL jet." I'm sooooooo sick  vomit  of airwhiners.net members complaining about the CRJ-200 and how tiny it is, and how great the Jungle Jets are, blah blah blah. That's why you have a CHOICE when you fly, so choose an airline that doesn't operate them!!!!
 
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:53 am

While we are discussing the merits of sardine cans that fly in the air. I have yet to fly on a ERJ-190. I assume that they are much roomier then the smaller counterparts. Could anybody enlighten me as to their comfort.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:05 am

Walk
Run
Drive
Train
Hitchhike
teleport
bicycle
motorcycle
scooter

these are just a few ways to travel if you are not satisfied with the route of the CRJ-200. I love how above... someone made it clear it is a "REGIONAL JET" . Not a trans-atlantic back breaker. I assure you airlines are not on a personal vendetta ... or contemplating how to make passengers lives a living hell.... ! So for God sake, stop complaining because of a "WINDOW" ... I also bet... that if the windows were made higher... the same topic would still be here stating that the CRJ2 is UNCOMFORTABLE and looks like a submarine because the windows are to high.... etc etc... either fly it... choose another airline..... or connect with longer hauls.

For the record, you do have a right to ask the airline what aircraft will be used. This does sometimes change due to maintenance and what not, but fixed routes at certain times of the day usually have the same repetitive aircraft.

If you choose to fly on any regional jet for a minimum of two hours, you are obviously a masochist ...

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting CF188A (Reply 43):
Walk
Run
Drive
Train
Hitchhike
teleport
bicycle
motorcycle
scooter

Since the only vaguely pertinent thing is teleport, you should consider, boat or swim. These are very short flights that we are talking about between the islands. You are only on the planes for an hour anyway. Also Hawaiian is matching the low fares, so you can benefit from these CRJ flights by getting the same fare and being able to fly on a 717.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:03 am

As much as I'm not a huge fan of the CRJ or E145's , they're way better than the Junkstreams that United Express used to use. I hated those planes!
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 41):
Yeah it's smaller than a 737, hence the name "REGIONAL jet."

REGIONAL jet has nothing to do with size... It has to do with Range. Technically, the DC-9 is a REGIONAL jet, because it serves mainly a REGION. The 717 is a REGIONAL jet.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
I get a backache and headache. The back cushions are bolstered wrong and the bottom cushions are too thin.

Agreed. Every operator I've ever been on of this a/c has had similar seat materials and I have disliked them all. Further, believe it or not... The seat width and pitch are the same as that of a Boeing a/c - at least in the case of DL.

The curviture of the a/c is more acute, the ceiling is lower (watch your head when you get up from the window seat - seriously), the windows are at a poor position -so you look at a wall instead of a window, the material composing the seat is thinner - putting the person in front of you closer to you, the aisles are about 2" narrower than most larger a/c, the lav is right up against the last row of seats, ... all of these make your space perception is compromised.


Aside from bashing this a/c type, there is a more interesting point here. This a/c type can't really participate in the cargo space. I don't know if it is a saturated market, but you can't put much cargo on this frame. Curious decision if you ask me.
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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:19 am

The floor was lowered on the CRJ-700's so that the passenger windows were closer to head height on sitting passengers. I flew my first CRJ-700 to FAT from DEN and it was awesome! Very nice plane. Flew the CRJ-200 back to DEN and you could totally tell the difference in the window placement (or floor placement if you want to be technical). You have to duck your head down to see out of that aircraft. But I find this the same on many of the older generation 737's.

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RE: CRJ 200 "A Miserable Airplane"

Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:20 am

Also, I like how Jonathan Ornstein (guy in the picture of the article) is standing up, but leaning forward to percept that he is able to stand freely. At least that is how I interpret his stance
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