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Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:38 am

Boeing's website today shows 1 747-8 sold to an unidentified customer. I wonder who it could be. Any guesses?

[Edited 2006-06-08 22:56:31]
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:43 am

Where does it say this? They do not break out 747s by model in the chart.
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 1):
Where does it say this? They do not break out 747s by model in the chart.

Good question.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:49 am

Just go to "standard reports" and click "unfilled orders", or go to "user defined reports" and select "model series 747-8".
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:50 am

He is correct, if you go to user defined reports it is there, there is no direct link.

I am betting UA! ?

I think it is fair to say that the 747-8 is now a resounding success.

[Edited 2006-06-08 22:53:08]
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:51 am

Unidentified Customer Unidentified Unidentified 747-8 GE 30-May-2006 1

Use the 'User Defined Reports' option to the left of the chart and select '747-8' option.

Still, what the hell is someone going to do with 1 of a new model? Do the -8s retain enough commonality for one to slip into a current fleet with zero extra cost?

[Edited 2006-06-08 22:52:46]
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:51 am

You need to do a User Defined report to see it.

Which current 747-400 operator would only need one? It's not like you're going to buy just one and take it for a test drive.

Perhaps it is to be a VIP plane?

[Edited 2006-06-08 22:52:58]
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:52 am

WTF? Sure enough, it sas one 747-8, total of 19. How could this have been missed?

On top of that it says 61 unfilled orders total, at thier current rate of 12 per year, thats FIVE YEARS OF PRODUCTION. If they double thier rate to 2 a month, it is still over two years of production.

Oh well, cant link a custom report...

[Edited 2006-06-08 22:58:24]
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:53 am

Who would order one 748? Would it make sense?
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:54 am

just one aircraft... what does that mean? More to come from same source, or options, or is it an executive aircraft. Hard to imagine an airline buying just 1 of a new aircraft..



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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 7):
How could this have been missed?

It just appeared on their website today. I'm surprised that Boeing released this information with no comment!
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
Who would order one 748? Would it make sense?

New Air Force One??
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:57 am

PH,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Good question.

Go to user-defined reports and choose model series B747-8. Customer name / country are unadentified. Order date shows as May 30, 2006.

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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 8):
Who would order one 748? Would it make sense?

New Air Force One??

Nah, they would order two..
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:57 am

I think a 748 would look GREAT in Air Force VIP colors for the Presidential fleet!
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:59 am

I don't think we can afford a new Air Force One, and I'm sure if they were buying it, they'd buy at least two of them. Boeing is getting enough funds from the government already as it is.
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
Nah, they would order two..

Yes, Air Force One is actually twins.
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:00 am

I'm guessing Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal for reasons I can't share.

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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:01 am

Perhaps this would go to NASA or GE or someone similar as a testbed aircraft? Or maybe they're just building one for their own testing purposes? If that's the case, would they still report it on those order pages?  scratchchin 


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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:02 am

Almost certainly a VIP order.

Quoting United787 (Reply 4):
I am betting UA! ?

I think it is fair to say that the 747-8 is now a resounding success.

Why would UA order one 748i?

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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 17):
I'm guessing Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal for reasons I can't share.

I wont post it for fear of a shameless repost, but I snapped a pic of a UAE 747SP here in LEX for the Derby, that and other Middle Eastern 747's come here often, but it made me wonder, with all that money, why not get a shiney new one?
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:03 am

That is a shock.

Are there any other executive aircraft that are up for replacement?
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:04 am

The model that has 1 unidentified order is the 767. The 747 has 3 as of 6/07/06. It's not shown in the news releases as well. Did the 747 only have 2 unidentified in the chart yesterday? Which part on the site was the new 748 order indicated?
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):
Almost certainly a VIP order.

All I ask of the Community is that we don't start A380CJ vs. 748BBJ flame threads. Big grin
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 12):
Go to user-defined reports and choose model series B747-8. Customer name / country are unadentified. Order date shows as May 30, 2006.

Thanks!


Indeed, an order for one single B747-8 appears odd...


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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:07 am

My money is on LH, but I could eaily be wrong.
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):
If 19 sales constitutes a resounding success, the A345 must be a brilliant plane.

How long has the 345 been on offer? 748? How much to develop the 345? 748?
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 25):
My money is on LH, but I could eaily be wrong.

Well if 15 or so more appear soon maybe, but no carrier, especially one of LH size is going to bother with a sub-fleet of 1 aircraft.

I'd agree with posts above that we should look to the middle east as a source for this order..

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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:15 am

As far as a current 747 operator is concerned, would it be that strange to need just one more for now?

Myabe it is a major launch customer that isnt quite ready for them....maybe 1 with 9 options?

[Edited 2006-06-08 23:16:25]
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:16 am

Boeing's latest update shows the following:

  • 2 747-400F
  • 1 747-8I
  • 6 777-200LR
  • 14 777-300ER

I do know Boeing's initial order statement said "buyers", so these widebodies are probably spread across a few customers, but there were 737s in the order so it could be a single customer for all the widebodies. If so, I am thinking SQ is the most likely possibility, especially if they want to retire their 744s quicker (and convert them to freighters), but why only take one 748? They don't fly a daily R/T between SFO and HKG with the same plane do they?
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:17 am

Maybe it's part of a bigger order, but Boeing does not count orders as firm until they receive the initial deposit. It's quite possible that a customer signed a contract for a larger number, but the deposits for individual planes will be spread over time for cashflow reasons, especially if the customer is in tight financial situation (UA, for example). The orders will be firmed up as the deposits are paid.
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
All I ask of the Community is that we don't start A380CJ vs. 748BBJ flame threads

Why not, this could lead to some interesting discussion points, like "A380 allows for 2 bowling alleys on seperate decks, while the 748 only allows for one lane" vs "The 748s empty space above the cabin allows for the installation of nice little decent intra-plane 'grottos', which the A380 doesn't offer". Would sure be a different discussion  Silly .
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 27):
Well if 15 or so more appear soon maybe, but no carrier, especially one of LH size is going to bother with a sub-fleet of 1 aircraft.

Cant agree, no matter how many you order, you get them one at a time. Options are never shown on this site.

So many 747s are not quite ready to be replaced.

[Edited 2006-06-08 23:21:00]
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 4):
I think it is fair to say that the 747-8 is now a resounding success

I presume then that it was a resounding success before this order was announced. I don't see that an order for 1 pax 748 changes much. It's not as if Boeing thought they would design and offer the 748-I on the basis that they might never get any orders for it.
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:21 am

Well I guess we'll know when the UFO's are announced. I am guessing it will be at Farnsborough (sic), especially the 748I one if it is part of a larger commitment.
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:23 am

I know its for:

Iraqi Airways or Ariana.

 Silly

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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:05 am

It could be Jet Airways since Jet Airways was looking at the 747-8 since the A380 was too big for Jet Airways. Interesting to see who the first buyer of the 747-8 will be.
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 31):

Tee hee! I'm not about to forget that one so quickly.
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
Nah, they would order two..

Not necessarily. They could in fact order 1, and then use the other two 744s as alternates. As they get older, uptime may be a problem, so having 2 as backups (with 1 always following internationally) would make sense.

Which is not to say this is that, but 1 would work...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):

6 777-200LR
14 777-300ER

That breaks down the 20 UFO 777s.

So either one airline bought 14/6, or one airline bought 14 773ER and one bought 6 772LR.

More specific speculation, anyone?
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:30 am

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
New Air Force One??

The CondiJet? (assuming Condolezza Rice becomes the next president which she is most likely to become)

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
Boeing's latest update shows the following:



2 747-400F

1 747-8I

6 777-200LR

14 777-300ER

That 777 is BA!
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:31 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 38):
Not necessarily. They could in fact order 1, and then use the other two 744s as alternates. As they get older, uptime may be a problem, so having 2 as backups (with 1 always following internationally) would make sense.

The two current AF1 aircraft are infact 742 conversions, and they have some of the lowest hours of any 742 line aircraft out there. There is no problem with their age, at least there shouldnt be considering how much is spent maintaining them verses how often they fly (in comparison with civil airliners).
 
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Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 39):
77-300ER

That 777 is BA!

see Pensions Before Planes, BA's Walsh Sresses (by Leelaw Jun 8 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 38):
Not necessarily. They could in fact order 1, and then use the other two 744s as alternates. As they get older, uptime may be a problem, so having 2 as backups (with 1 always following internationally) would make sense.

I thought the Air Force One planes were 742s...
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:44 am

Has anyone given it a thought that it might be for the prototype aircraft? Sometimes aircraft companies will show ship one as an official order and since it is unidentified it just might be......again just a thought.

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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:54 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 39):
The CondiJet? (assuming Condolezza Rice becomes the next president which she is most likely to become)

IT would be really fun if the presidential elections would be between Rice and Hillary Clinton. What a catfight!!! bigthumbsup 

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 24):
Indeed, an order for one single B747-8 appears odd...

I disagree, VIP plane, plane and simple... Big grin
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:55 am

Quoting Dacman (Reply 43):
Has anyone given it a thought that it might be for the prototype aircraft? Sometimes aircraft companies will show ship one as an official order and since it is unidentified it just might be......again just a thought.

Has Boeing ever done this in the past for a prototype with no launch customers?

How were new versions like the 772LR and 773ER handled? Did PIA buy 772LR #001 prior to Boeing building it and putting it through the flight-test regimen as a test plane?

[Edited 2006-06-09 00:55:54]
 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 40):
The two current AF1 aircraft are infact 742 conversions,



Quoting Tigerotor77W (Reply 42):
I thought the Air Force One planes were 742s...

They are. My bad.

Doesn't change the fact that they will be replaced at some point. They are going to be about 20 years old when the 748i flies. Low hours and great maintenance aside, they will still need replacing at some point with more technologically advanced jets. But it does not mean they need to do 2 at once. They could easily buy 1, then overhaul the 742s one at a time to make them last 10 years longer, for example.
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 39):
The CondiJet? (assuming Condolezza Rice becomes the next president which she is most likely to become)

You obviously have not read any of the current US poll numbers..... better than half a dozen people have higher numbers

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 40):
The two current AF1 aircraft are infact 742 conversions, and they have some of the lowest hours of any 742 line aircraft out there. There is no problem with their age, at least there shouldnt be considering how much is spent maintaining them verses how often they fly (in comparison with civil airliners).

I don't see the AF1's going anywhere anytime soon. They cost too much to modify, and too much R and D goes into one of those - they differ in a great many ways from a stock 747. Plus, I don't see them being the first to order a new model.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 44):
I disagree, VIP plane, plane and simple...

Lol, yeah.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 45):
How were new versions like the 772LR and 773ER handled? Did PIA buy 772LR #001 prior to Boeing building it and putting it through the flight-test regimen as a test plane?

I bet it is like the first 772LR they made - for the company to use to demonstrate the capabilites, and then it will be sold to the launch customer, just like what was done with 772LR.
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 20):
that and other Middle Eastern 747's come here often, but it made me wonder, with all that money, why not get a shiney new one?



Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 27):

I'd agree with posts above that we should look to the middle east as a source for this order..



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 31):

Why not, this could lead to some interesting discussion points, like "A380 allows for 2 bowling alleys on seperate decks, while the 748 only allows for one lane" vs "The 748s empty space above the cabin allows for the installation of nice little decent intra-plane 'grottos', which the A380 doesn't offer". Would sure be a different discussion Silly

I'll oblige. Maybe the Sultan of Brunei had grown exasperated with the A380 delays that he opted to trade-in his current 747 for a brand-spanking new 748I VVIP with a much more definite delivery date.  Big grin  duck 
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RE: Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer

Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 47):
You obviously have not read any of the current US poll numbers..... better than half a dozen people have higher numbers

Well that's it I'm not interested anymore. I want Condi to be president.

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