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Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:09 am

With the thread about flagship routes, we should also discuss about flagship aircraft. While some would say that flagship aircraft means largest aircraft, I don't think that is always true. For example, I do think that United considers the 777, rather than the 747, to be their flagship aircraft.

What I am pretty sure about is Delta. The 777-200ER is the flagship aircraft for international flights, while the 767-400ER is Delta's domestic flagship.
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:19 am

At VS the A346 is the GUCCI aircraft. Although many of the crew don't actually like working on it, it has a much more glitzy cabin.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:30 am

Even though the A346 is LH's largest aircraft, the A330 is the only one that has PTVs. I'm not sure if LH advertises it as "their flagship" though. But LX does state that the A340 is their "flagship".
 
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
What I am pretty sure about is Delta. The 777-200ER is the flagship aircraft for international flights, while the 767-400ER is Delta's domestic flagship.

I would think that flagship a/c would be the 763 being that most intl routes are flown with that plane. 777 only flies a few of Delta's many routes.
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting GVWOW (Reply 2):
Even though the A346 is LH's largest aircraft, the A330 is the only one that has PTVs. I'm not sure if LH advertises it as "their flagship" though. But LX does state that the A340 is their "flagship".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 747-400 is LH's largest aircraft.

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
With the thread about flagship routes, we should also discuss about flagship aircraft. While some would say that flagship aircraft means largest aircraft, I don't think that is always true. For example, I do think that United considers the 777, rather than the 747, to be their flagship aircraft.

What I am pretty sure about is Delta. The 777-200ER is the flagship aircraft for international flights, while the 767-400ER is Delta's domestic flagship.

Would Have to say that that EK's flagship is the A340-500 they use on their DXB-JFK routes. That being said SQ'S would be the same, the a/c as they primarily fly it on their flagship routes SIN-LAX/EWR. But am assuming that when the A380 joins their respective fleets, things will change
 
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:12 am

I would think that Aer Lingus' A330-300 is their flagship aircraft. They also have a large A320 fleet of 21 aircraft (3 on order) and is used on most of their routes so that could also be the flagship for EI.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:16 am

KLM's would be the 777-200ER...Would expect that one after they converted their orders to the 777W.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:18 am

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 3):
I would think that flagship a/c would be the 763 being that most intl routes are flown with that plane. 777 only flies a few of Delta's many routes.

Delta has put more features on the 777 in economy class than on the 767-300ER, including PTVs and EmPower. Even the 767-400ERs have EmPower in economy. However, there is soon the possiblity that all aircraft except for the MD-88 and MD-90 will get PTVs, and that includes the 767-400ER (both domestic and international) and possibly the 767-300ER. IMO Delta should install EmPower fleet-wide.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:29 am

I would say that at QF it's Wanula Dreaming and at CO it's Peter Max.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:33 am

Oh to the days of Clipper America and the 747 FriendShip......
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
For example, I do think that United considers the 777, rather than the 747, to be their flagship aircraft.

While the 777 is newer, I believe that Tilton has called the 747 UA's workhorse and that might make it more flagship. Nevertheless, I'm happy to be on both.

As for BA, I'd say 747 over 777 and SQ, I'd also say 747 over A340.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting KL565 (Reply 7):
KLM's would be the 777-200ER...Would expect that one after they converted their orders to the 777W.

Why not the 747?
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:48 am

NW = DC-9

C'mon; someone had to say it.
 
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting 727Tiger (Reply 14):
NW = DC-9

C'mon; someone had to say it.

That's a  redflag ship.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting MaartenV (Reply 13):
Why not the 747?

KLM is phasing out it's 747's..That is why they are gradually being phased out on some routes and being replaced by the 777-200ER. Further evidence can be found in that they converted their orders for the 777-300ER, to replace the 747's.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting KL565 (Reply 16):
KLM is phasing out it's 747's..That is why they are gradually being phased out on some routes and being replaced by the 777-200ER. Further evidence can be found in that they converted their orders for the 777-300ER, to replace the 747's.

Before Delta got their 777-200ERs and 767-400ERs, I do believe that Delta considered the L-1011 to be their flagship aircraft. I don't think Delta has ever considered the MD-11 to be their flagship.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 17):
I don't think Delta has ever considered the MD-11 to be their flagship.

So what are you saying....?
 
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting KL565 (Reply 18):
So what are you saying....?

Many have considered Delta's purchase of the MD-11 to be a huge mistake, due to the fact that the MD-11 did not meet promised performance. Delta then decided to go with the 777 instead.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:06 am

As i started the thread on Flagship Routes I must have my  twocents , I disagree about UA, I think you will find they consider they 747 is their flagship, as does BA, LH etc.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):
Many have considered Delta's purchase of the MD-11 to be a huge mistake, due to the fact that the MD-11 did not meet promised performance. Delta then decided to go with the 777 instead.

I will agree to that...What do you think is KLM's flagship aircraft.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting 727Tiger (Reply 14):
NW = DC-9

C'mon; someone had to say it.

On the same thought....

I'm guessing Southwest is the 737?  duck 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:55 am

NW's is probably the 744, but the A330 can also compete, but it has no service at NW's home airport in MSP, so I'd say no. Domestically I'd say it's the 753, since it links to the largest markets for NW - intrahub, MKE, BOS, LAX, MCO, SEA.

For US it's definitely the A330.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:16 am

I would say KL and the MD11 go hand in hand.
I still think of UL and their tristars even though they are long gone.

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 23):
NW's is probably the 744, but the A330 can also compete, but it has no service at NW's home airport in MSP

The last I checked the A330 flies MSP-AMS....
 
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:52 am

Quoting KL565 (Reply 16):
KLM is phasing out it's 747's..That is why they are gradually being phased out on some routes and being replaced by the 777-200ER. Further evidence can be found in that they converted their orders for the 777-300ER, to replace the 747's.

They have phased out their 742s and 743s. No 744 has left, they are even refurbishing them at this moment.

Neither is there any evidence that the 773ERs will replace 744s, instead of being used for expansion.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 24):
I would say KL and the MD11 go hand in hand.

They go hand in hand, but they are definetaly not the flagship, KLM is putting them more and more on low yield destinations.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:02 am

While AA's largest plane is the 777-223ER, I think they determine "Flagship" by route length. I can't say for sure, but I think catering for AA puts "International Flagship Service" on all their menus no matter what type of plane you are on.

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:07 am

Quoting Ual747 (Reply 27):
While AA's largest plane is the 777-223ER, I think they determine "Flagship" by route length

While I agree with you on the fact that the 772 is Americans flagship, I have to disagree with your claim that the 772 is largest plane, at least not in seatnumbers, since their A300s can hold more passengers then their 772s.
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:13 am

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 747-400 is LH's largest aircraft.

lol woops, I meant to write "newest"!  Smile. shame, shame.
 
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:14 am

The 777 is the largest plane in sheer weight, cargo/pax volume, and "possible" seating capacity.

Besides, comparing the A300 to the 777 is like comparing a 1982 Chrysler La Baron to a 2006 Ferrari. The A300 is hardly worth mentioning as a flagship plane..although, AA used to send quite a few over the Atlantic from BOS and JFK to LHR. Lord, I wouldn't want to be on one when I could be on a 777. Thank goodness they don't fly them on European routes anymore. Just Latin American...(And not very far south at that).

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:31 am

TK...
Their good old A340's or their new A330's??? Or their countless B737-800's???
I would say its the new A330!

For LH in my opinion its definitly the B744.

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 10):
CO it's Peter Max

Ick! I would say the 777 in regular c/s  crazy 

IMHO the Peter Max AC is the flagship of a very long A.net post  duck 

What about AF? 340, 747, 777 which one would it be?

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 23):
MSP

This summer they are flying MSP-HNL IIRC.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 24):
I would say KL and the MD11 go hand in hand.

But KLM is making the MD-11 more and more of an holiday plane.

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:13 pm

Would it be IL-96 for SU?
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Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:27 pm

For NZ i'd say it's still the 744 over the new 772ER's!

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:50 pm

Not really an airlinebut for the Dubai Air Wing

they have 2 744`s plus 747 Sp`s BBJ`s etc

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Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:11 pm

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:37 pm

Quoting GVWOW (Reply 2):
the A330 is the only one that has PTVs.

Don't want to go on another discussion about LH and PTV's but AFAIK the only two A-330's with PTV were leased and already left the fleet.

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:43 pm

For Iberia:
A346 international
A320 for short-medium haul
What about Air France? I would say B773 or B747?
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:55 pm

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Virgin Blue's flagship is the 737... anyone disagree? Big grin
 
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:47 pm

Af?

I'd say it has got to be the 777, both versions combined...
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
What I am pretty sure about is Delta. The 777-200ER is the flagship aircraft for international flights, while the 767-400ER is Delta's domestic flagship.

I disagree with that for DL.

Int'l 763-ER is the flagship and the workhorse of the Int'l fleet, no question.

Domestically, the CRJ (hah!, okay, I'm ducking now for the nasty comments).


What is the criteria for flagship? I think the definition depends on your perspective, if you say to yourself (re International travel), I'm going to another continent .......... picture yourself on the plane .............. Quick, what's the type - for DL, it would have to be a 763-ER.

Domestically, really a blur. If you base your thoughts on ATL, I'd put the 763D as the workhorse and flagship, though that is changing of recent times. There are a lot of MD-88s, 757s, and 738s for DL hauling a lot of mass. If you see CVG more than ATL, then yes, you'd say CRJ.

If you define a flagship another way, you'll perceive it differently. Some may champion the flagship as the aircraft where all passenger services are available, or simply the newest aircraft, or simply largest seating a/c... This is truly arbitrary.
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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:31 am

B6 - A320
JM - A340
BW - A340 (wish it were still the L15)
TAM - A330
NK - A321?
AC - 744?
HA - 767
Air Tahiti Nui - A340
Kuwait - A340
LOT - 767
LAN - A340?
SAA - 744 or A345?
Royal Jordanian - A340 (L15 would have been good for this one too)
LY - 744 or 777?
Finnair - MD11?
Austrian - A340

That's all I can think of for now. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:41 am

A few years ago and it would have been Concorde for both BA and AF

Now a days i think it has to be the 744 for BA.

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Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:43 am

I would say for WN the flagship is the 737-700.
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 45):
I would say for WN the flagship is the 737-700.

Flagship doesn't get much more literal than this:


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Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:28 am

Neil...

AC is, for now, the A340-500. The 3 747-400 were retired a couple years ago, and I do believe at least one might be part of the 787 support program for Boeing (with enlarged cargo area).
When the 777's come online next year, they will replace the A340-500's.

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RE: Flagship Aircraft

Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting GBOAE (Reply 44):
A few years ago and it would have been Concorde for both BA and AF

Correct! I love this BA video about Concorde as their flagship...enjoy!


Great video, don't you think?
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 47):
Neil...

AC is, for now, the A340-500. The 3 747-400 were retired a couple years ago, and I do believe at least one might be part of the 787 support program for Boeing (with enlarged cargo area).
When the 777's come online next year, they will replace the A340-500's.

Rik

Thanks, Rik. I stand Corrected.

I'll add one more:
AeroMexico - 777.

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