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KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:54 pm

Just heard from the inside the -300ERs will start being delivered in February 2008, one more in March, and the rest in 2009. Registrations will be BQR-V.

[Edited 2006-06-10 12:55:57]
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:03 pm

They will be beautiful, looking forward to fly them!


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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:03 pm

Didn't they only order (3) 773ER's?
(1) in Aug. 05' and (2) more in Nov. 05'
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:09 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 2):
Didn't they only order (3) 773ER's?
(1) in Aug. 05' and (2) more in Nov. 05'

No they ordered 4, they were converted 772ER orders that were converted last month.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 3):
No they ordered 4, they were converted 772ER orders that were converted last month.

I see... Only could find this. Also is this in addition to the (6) they are going to lease?



Couldn't even find a link on the Boeing site although I know I've read something somewhere.
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:19 pm

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 4):

Perhaps one is leased, like a couple of 772's.

Quoting KLMyank (Thread starter):
Just heard from the inside the -300ERs will start being delivered in February 2008, one more in March, and the rest in 2009. Registrations will be BQR-V.

Damn, that's a long wait. I hope they will fly to PBM. Can't wait to try them out. Any word what routes they will be used on?

Any news when they will start phasing out the 733's and 734's? Van Wijk said (a couple of months ago) that would start soon, but I haven't heard anything since.
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:48 pm

I also can't wait to try them out but in another thread I read these 773ER's are for expansion and not replacement of KL's 744 passenger aircraft so it might take even longer before the Dutch Antilles (and Surinam) will see these aircraft. I can imagine KL will start using these aircraft on prime routes where competition is fierce before sending them to leisure destination and VFR destinations where KL already has the monopoly.

About KL's 733/734 phase out, I wonder which airlines might pick them up. I would think these aircraft might be good candidates for Dutch Antilles Express in a few years when they might expand.

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:39 pm

Well, what i saw showed 5 orders. And this doesn't come from cousin vinny's cab driver on Bloomfield avenue.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
I also can't wait to try them out but in another thread I read these 773ER's are for expansion and not replacement of KL's 744 passenger aircraft so it might take even longer before the Dutch Antilles (and Surinam) will see these aircraft

I am afraid you're right, but a guy can hope right? Wink
Anyway, if the rumour (or fact??) that they will start flying the MD11 to PBM due to MP and Arkefly entering the market, I will be happy too, never flown the MD11, and the 747 more times than I care to count... (742, 743 and 744... all KLM)
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:00 am

Here is another preview of how they will look.

Big version: Width: 1296 Height: 746 File size: 66kb
When they get their first Boeing 777-300/ER!


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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:13 am

Nice work American777  Wink

Is that a reworked copy of one of Tim de Groot or Wietse de Graaf's photos?

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 10):
Is that a reworked copy of one of Tim de Groot or Wietse de Graaf's photos?
No, is actually this file: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i..._id=1010214&next_id=0836000&size=L

I added raked wing-tips, larger engines, and obviously, I stretched the fuselage.

Joe.

[Edited 2006-06-10 21:34:38]
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:11 pm

hmm BQT - Taj Mahal?

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:06 pm

Quoting KLMyank (Thread starter):
Registrations will be BQR-V

KLM currently operates 13 B772ERs registered PH-BQA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/K/L/M/N. If they are planning to register the B77Ws starting PH-BQR, that means there will be a gap in the registrations.

From what I understand, there is at least one more B772 on the way, registered PH-BQO for delivery 01/2007. PH-BQP was originally set to arrive 04/2007, but this frame might be converted to a B77W already.

On the other hand, KLM needs to replace the 5 remaining B763 frames, which could just be done with the one extra B772 and four extra A332s which are slated to arrive as follows:

PH-BQO 01/2007
PH-AOE 08/2006
PH-AOF 12/2006
PH-AOH 02/2007
PH-AOI 03/2007

If no extra B772 frames were to join, and the first B77W is only planned to arrive in 2008, that would mean no room for growth whatsoever in the next year or so. My point is: could it be that apart from the one more B772 frame, KLM will take delivery of more B772s? Why would they give up on the delivery slot for PH-BQP in 04/2007?
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:37 pm

HB-IWC,

I always appreciate your point of views. Good job!

I just spoke to a KLM 763 captain and he said that the 763s will leave the fleet much sooner. KLM had planned to keep the last five 763s until March 2007 but we shouldn't be surprised if this might all be happening before the end of the year.
Eventually, the last routes flown by the 767 (Abuja/Kano, Entebbe, Dammam/Doha, Tehran, Almaty and some Washington-Dulles rotations) will be replaced by the 332 sooner.

I do think they'r using the remaning (ordered) A330s to replace these 767s. So when we're talking about 'growth' I think that's in number of seats, not necessarily in routes or frequencies.
I guess KLM wants to wait and see how the 773 will eventually perform.

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 14):
KLM currently operates 13 B772ERs registered PH-BQA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/K/L/M/N. If they are planning to register the B77Ws starting PH-BQR, that means there will be a gap in the registrations.

From what I understand, there is at least one more B772 on the way, registered PH-BQO for delivery 01/2007. PH-BQP was originally set to arrive 04/2007, but this frame might be converted to a B77W already.

BQO is a 200ER for delivery Jan 07. BQP is also a 200ER for April 07. BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why. Then R-V for the -300ERs.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting KLMyank (Reply 15):
BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why

Might be similar to **J regs. They don't use those because they are used for commercial items like models etc. Just checked the database and there no 744 BFQ or 73NG BXQ either...

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting KLMyank (Reply 15):
BQO is a 200ER for delivery Jan 07. BQP is also a 200ER for April 07. BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why. Then R-V for the -300ERs.

That would mean the KL B772ER fleet will eventually consist of 15 frames then, i.e. the current 13 plus BQO and BQP. Also, there is also only 4 B77W on order and R-V would include 5 frames.

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 14):
I just spoke to a KLM 763 captain and he said that the 763s will leave the fleet much sooner. KLM had planned to keep the last five 763s until March 2007 but we shouldn't be surprised if this might all be happening before the end of the year. Eventually, the last routes flown by the 767 (Abuja/Kano, Entebbe, Dammam/Doha, Tehran, Almaty and some Washington-Dulles rotations) will be replaced by the 332 sooner.

I am aware of the plans for accelerated phase out of the 5 remaining B763s. The current draft winter program can be flown with just 3 767 frames, but an update is on the way and all 763s might very well be removed from the schedule by early 2007.

Nevertheless, given the schedule changes and frequency increases I am aware of, I wonder where KLM is going to get all of the equipment. The 5 remaining B763s are being replaced with 4 additional A332s and the apparently remaining 2 B772s by April 2007. That leaves, however, very little room for frequency reinforcement, network adjustments and route development which KLM is actively contemplating, even with the transfer of the EWR route to NW.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:14 pm

NWA is takng over on the EWR - AMS - EWR route ? When and with what aircraft ?
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:45 pm

Its great to be able to see the 77W in the future KLM fleet  Smile

Any idea what routes they will possibly operate?

Will KLM ever order more 77W's in the near future?

I'm just hoping KLM will order the 739ER and 748i  Smile

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 18):
WA is takng over on the EWR - AMS - EWR route ? When and with what aircraft ?

The A330-300, I'm not sure when though! There has been talk of double daily 757's also in the future on the EWR-AMS leg from NWA  Smile

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 14):
I just spoke to a KLM 763 captain and he said that the 763s will leave the fleet much sooner. KLM had planned to keep the last five 763s until March 2007 but we shouldn't be surprised if this might all be happening before the end of the year.

what will happen to the 763 captains? Will they get fired or repositioned somewhere else?
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:18 am

Nicholas & Rob,

The A330 should be doing EWR-AMS-EWR by the end of October, but from what I read, this was supposed to be a -200.

HB-IWC,
Changes, frequencies and expansion... Oh well. From what I've seen, there won't be that much expansion for the winter season 2006/2007. However, in my department (Cabin Crew) KLM will be hiring extra FAs to boost expansion plans for the summer 2007 schedule.

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 20):
what will happen to the 763 captains? Will they get fired or repositioned somewhere else?

I assume all the KL 763 pilots are offered a position with the A332 as it is the replacement aircraft for their 763. Another possibility would be to switch to the 772 or maybe even the 744 (?). Just my thaughts.

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:48 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):
I assume all the KL 763 pilots are offered a position with the A332 as it is the replacement aircraft for their 763. Another possibility would be to switch to the 772 or maybe even the 744 (?). Just my thaughts.

Indeed, they will most certainly not be fired.

Quoting B742 (Reply 19):
Any idea what routes they will possibly operate?

Will KLM ever order more 77W's in the near future?

I'm just hoping KLM will order the 739ER and 748i

The routes may be the routes now operated by the 744 full-pax, or routes where the 772 is proving too small. Not sure which ones those are though. I'm certainly hoping they will fly to the caribbean destinations for which KLM now uses the 744 (CUR, PBM and SXM).

IMHO more 77W's are a certainty. I wouldn't be surprised if the fleet would grow to at least ten. These first are more for expansion, and some more will probably replace the 744 full pax (KLM has 5 of those in the fleet).

I think that the 748i has as much chance being ordered as the a380, which is none. But hey, you never know. KLM has a very long relationship with the 747, so it would be very sad if some day the fleet would not have any 747's anymore.
The 739ER's are IMHO a possibility, although the regular 739's are serving just fine.
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:17 am

For those who lost track, here is what I presume reading this post and other sources:
PH-BQO and PH-BQP ; will be 200ERs, lsd from ILFC, delivered jan/april 07
BQR, BQS, BQT, -300ERs, (3) already in official order books, delivered from feb 08
BQU and BQV; 300ERs, order not yet in official order books but to be confirmed soon.
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 21):
HB-IWC,
Changes, frequencies and expansion... Oh well. From what I've seen, there won't be that much expansion for the winter season 2006/2007. However, in my department (Cabin Crew) KLM will be hiring extra FAs to boost expansion plans for the summer 2007 schedule.

I've seen quite some projects which are on the verge of being launched, but there's no exact dates so far. Even if most of these expansion plans are postponed until the summer 2007, I still do not see how all the expansion plans could come materialize.

Here is what is possible compared to the current summer program:

-nett addition of one airframe, with the additions of 6 frames (4 A332, 2 B772) and the retirement of 5 B763 ;
-the continued operation of the AMS EWR route by NW could free up another frame ;
-increased utilization of the fleet after the MD11 and B744/74E retrofit has been completed: the current summer program is designed to be comfortably operated by 9 (out of 10) MD11 frames and 20 (out of 22) B744/74E ;

Still, these 3 measures would not cover for some of the ambitious growth plans I have read.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 22):

I assume all the KL 763 pilots are offered a position with the A332 as it is the replacement aircraft for their 763. Another possibility would be to switch to the 772 or maybe even the 744 (?). Just my thaughts



Quoting Kappel (Reply 23):
Indeed, they will most certainly not be fired.

thank you very much..if they go from the 763 to A332, so much for the "cockpit" commonality rules.....

maybe the 777-200ER ore 777-300ER is a better possibility?


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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:26 am

Hey Jacob,

Always nice to your KL 777 everytime there is a thread about KL and the 777  Smile I've never seen someone so consistant in using the same photo each time the opportunity arises, haha. Cool Big grin

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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:05 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 23):
I assume all the KL 763 pilots are offered a position with the A332 as it is the replacement aircraft for their 763. Another possibility would be to switch to the 772 or maybe even the 744 (?). Just my thaughts.

Some FO are going to the 744 as FO. Some Captains also to the 744 as Captain. Some to 777, some to A330. Really just depends on seniority. Under the old system, 767 and 737 FO were in the same function group, so some very junior 767 FO may become 737 FO. Some may become 737 Captain....anything is possible, as long as you have the seniority to hold it!
There is no general 767-A330 rule.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:34 pm

You're right, KLMyank!

No general rule for former 767 pilots. My FO is headed for the 777 (FO) and the captain is off to the 744 (captain).

Cabin Crew is a different thing (since we get to fly 3 types) and most of those flying 767 will 'trade' that for either MD11, 777 and A330.
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:36 pm

If there are more 772 and 77W to come, why not start with an all new registration series for the 77W, like PH-BS*? What's the reason to have these ones mixed?
 
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 12):
hmm BQT - Taj Mahal?

Very possible, yes.

BQO: Old Rauma
BQP: Pyramids of Giza
BQR: Robben Island

although last minute changes have been known to occur.
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RE: KLM 777-300ER Delivery Dates

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:46 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 24):
For those who lost track, here is what I presume reading this post and other sources:
PH-BQO and PH-BQP ; will be 200ERs, lsd from ILFC, delivered jan/april 07
BQR, BQS, BQT, -300ERs, (3) already in official order books, delivered from feb 08
BQU and BQV; 300ERs, order not yet in official order books but to be confirmed soon.
Please shoot or comment if this is not correct.

That's correct. 3 B777-200ER ordered last year were converted to -300ER last April. The 4th (and now possibly 5th) reported order has not yet appeared on the Boeing website; they may be leased aircraft, although there is no official ILFC announcement; it might even be possible that they will arrive in 2007 already. Interestingly, as explained here http://www.airliners.net/discussions..._aviation/read.main/2818368/6/#104 ILFC still has two 300ERs on order that have yet to be publically commited to...

Quoting IMatAMS (Reply 16):
BQQ is being skipped, I don't know why

Might be similar to **J regs. They don't use those because they are used for commercial items like models etc. Just checked the database and there no 744 BFQ or 73NG BXQ either...

the PH-**Q reg is used for the simulator, while the PH-**J reg is used for models.