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DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:15 am

Delta Air Lines is recalling 64 furloughed pilots this summer, as the carrier tries to take advantage of improving industry revenues by increasing capacity on key domestic and international routes.

The Atlanta-based airline, which has been operating under bankruptcy-court protection since September, said it was sending letters to its most senior furloughed pilots, seeking to begin training classes for pilots as soon as June 28. The carrier has about 465 pilots on its furlough list, most of whom were last in a Delta cockpit five years ago when, in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Delta and other airlines began sidelining workers.

Delta, the third-largest U.S. carrier in terms of traffic, is mounting a major expansion of international routes as it moves from being a largely domestic carrier to one with greater global reach and one more resembling successful carriers such as Continental Airlines. To replace wide-body aircraft being moved to international service, Delta executives are shopping for shorter-haul aircraft, including MD-80s and Boeing 757s. Delta is expressing interest in 19 757 aircraft on which AMR Corp.'s American Airlines this past week said it wouldn't renew leases. The aircraft don't fit into American's fleet because of different engines, but they have engines similar to Delta's 757 fleet.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1149...376646.html?mod=home_whats_news_us
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:19 am

Wow, this surprises me that Delta still isn't making money but they're shopping for more planes, I hope this works out for them.
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:23 am

Well summer bookings are very strong, and March results were excellent, pointing towards exit from bankruptcy right on schedule, or early.

What I don't get is the summer schudule is pretty much set, since we're here. I guess they'll have to re-adjust things. Maybe add the third SLC-JFK back!
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:28 am

I assume that the MD-88s may also be used to replace departing 733s/732s.

I wonder if the rumors that they are looking at the ex-Iberia MD-88s are also true.
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting 28thguy (Thread starter):
Delta executives are shopping for shorter-haul aircraft, including MD-80s and Boeing 757s. Delta is expressing interest in 19 757 aircraft on which AMR Corp.'s American Airlines this past week said it wouldn't renew leases. The aircraft don't fit into American's fleet because of different engines, but they have engines similar to Delta's 757 fleet.

I'd like to know what the WSJ's source is on the above. The DL press release only contains info about the pilots. While it would be great, I would love know exactly who says the DL execs are shopping.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:37 am

Ha, WSJ probably quoted the information "rumor" from this site!
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:42 am

Are the TWA 757s ETOPS? I really hope Delta doesn't put 757s on Hawaii routes, even though they cannot do ATL/CVG-HNL, and can barely do SLC-Hawaii runs.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:44 am

Well, adding 19 757's to the fleet would be a great idea. Delta can use low-cost mainline capacity. The 757's are seeing a renaissance serving international point to point routes.

Too bad the construction line couldn't last to see them back in demand again.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:47 am

Yes the TWA 757s are ETOPS planes.

[Edited 2006-06-10 17:48:52]
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 6):
Are the TWA 757s ETOPS? I really hope Delta doesn't put 757s on Hawaii routes, even though they cannot do ATL/CVG-HNL, and can barely do SLC-Hawaii runs.

I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind. There are lots of smaller markets--and larger markets off season--where a 763 is just too much airplane. Being able to use the 757 across the Atlantic would give DL much more flexibility in route planning.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind.

I think you would see some ETOPS 757s to Hawaii if only to free up the 764 to go to Europe. I don't think the yield would be as good on a Hawaii flight vs a Europe flight, better to put the bigger plane on the route with the highest potential revenue.
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind. There are lots of smaller markets--and larger markets off season--where a 763 is just too much airplane. Being able to use the 757 across the Atlantic would give DL much more flexibility in route planning

Maybe so, on routes such as JFK-LIS. Delta could even add BusinessElite seating.

Another possiblity is to use them to complement the ex-ATA aircraft on Latin American routes.
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 9):
I think it would be wiser to use them on JFK-Europe routes like CO has done so successfully out of EWR, and that's probably what DL has in mind. There are lots of smaller markets--and larger markets off season--where a 763 is just too much airplane. Being able to use the 757 across the Atlantic would give DL much more flexibility in route planning

Why not pull a page out of AA's playbook and use the 757's on BOS-Europe routes. I bet if AA and DL force Massport's hand, they will be able to have Customs/INS in Term.A and B as at BOS, DL and AA are the largest carriers and bring in most of the revenue for Massport in terms of landing fees. Also, use them on select JFK-Europe routes to beef up their Int'l standing there. These would really help DL in terms of Int'l expansion as the 767's are up to full capacity in terms of Int'l runs, and without "new" aircraft on the horizon, they could get decent used from AA/TW. Added MD-88's would help their domestic, by shifting larger capacity aircraft to short range Int'l/Florida routes. I hope this is a sign that DL is on the road to exit BK.

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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:22 am

I read also in another thread, not long ago, that FX was also shopping for some B757's. Looks like the B757's are back in high demand!!! Should have Boeing waited a little longer to close the line? Only the know!!  banghead 
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:03 am

i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.

Aren't most of these airlines looking for used, cheaper 757? Opening up the 757 line by boeing would just put new, expensive aircraft on the market. The 757 is making a big comeback because they are cheap powerhouses.. with "cheap" being the operative word. They are going for between $19-25 Million each.. which is really cheap compared to the price of a new one...
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.

Delta actually had options for 757-200s before the line was closed. Delta still has options for 767-300ERs and 767-400ERs. If the 767 line stays open, I actually wouldn't be suprised if Delta ordered more 767-400ERs, for expanded service to Europe.

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Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:25 am

I wish United, too, would pick up a few used planes until it can buy new ones. I'm sick of flying on fully packed 737s. United, too, has record bookings this summer but no additional mainline equipment in sight. Tons of United cities can use additional capacity but all Elk Grove is giving them are United Express flights or nothing at all.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 13):
I read also in another thread, not long ago, that FX was also shopping for some B757's. Looks like the B757's are back in high demand!!! Should have Boeing waited a little longer to close the line? Only the know!!

I think the rumor that FedEx might acquire the ex TWA 757s is purely a rumor created on A.net since the 757 isn't part of the FX fleet. FedEx though is looking for planes.

The 757s that we are talking about are very new planes and they still have many years of passenger service still left in them. I think they would be a good acquisition for Delta since they are losing the 767s from domestic runs. Delta has always carried a lot of passengers. They have used widebodies on shorter flights for years and Delta is one of the biggest airlines in the country based on passengers carried. The 757s would be a good fit for flights to Florida and other busy routes out of ATL.
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting N353SK (Reply 1):
Wow, this surprises me that Delta still isn't making money but they're shopping for more planes, I hope this works out for them.

They turned a profit in April: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2800050

They would have also made a profit in May except that passengers boked away as a result of the threstened pilot strike.

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Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line.

I don't how many times this has been said, but the tooling for the 757 has been scrapped. This is impossible. You would basically have to re-launch the 757... OR concentrate on Y1 (the 737 replacement).

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Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:47 pm

I am still puzzled at the MD-88 naming on the article. Where would they be able to get some? I know that Iberia (as it has been mentioned previously) is one of the few carriers left that have MD-88's in the fleet that is looking to retire them. Why would DL add more of these birds? I can definitely understand the 757 logic due to the considerable lower pricing in the 2nd hand market and the performance capabilities of the airliner.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 21):
I am still puzzled at the MD-88 naming on the article. Where would they be able to get some? I know that Iberia (as it has been mentioned previously) is one of the few carriers left that have MD-88's in the fleet that is looking to retire them. Why would DL add more of these birds?

What exactly puzzles you about why they would want -88s?

Getting more -88s allows DL to take 738s off shorter routes w/o reduction of capacity allowing the 738s to fly longer segments in unison with the 757s.

Pretty sound strategy for procurring additional fleet units without the cost of brand new airplanes....
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:05 pm

The reason DL would want MD88s is...they're an excellent plane for a lot of missions that DL has. Would it be nice if they were a tad more fuel-efficent (like, say, a 717-300 or -400 would have been)? Absolutely. But given that they can be had at a decent capital cost, that they are a substantial part of the DL fleet, with tools, parts and pilots already available, and they are the right size and have the right flight characteristics for so many of DL's missions, it makes total sense to me.

The bottom line is that many of the legacies have stopped chasing market share at the expense of profitability. This means that you can fly smaller aircraft, provided that they're still large enough to give you decent economy of scale (meaning an MD80, not a Tinkerjet).

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Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:15 pm

Given that there are fewer than 20 MD88s that would even conceivably be available to DL in the short term, wouldn't it be the case that they would consider late-model MD-82/83s, many of which came from the factory with the improvements made on the MD88? Couldn't they be "commonized" with DL's fleet for a relatively-low investment in avionics?
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 14):
i don't know why Boeing hasn't reopened the 757 line. There is no plane like it and imho it is a very useful and demanded plane.

Like another poster said, the line is gone. No tools, no jigs, just gone and can't easily be reopended.

However, maybe boeing could sell the 757 plans to China and let them make it????
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:00 pm

Some of Delta's MD88 are converted MD82's
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 24):
Given that there are fewer than 20 MD88s that would even conceivably be available to DL in the short term, wouldn't it be the case that they would consider late-model MD-82/83s, many of which came from the factory with the improvements made on the MD88? Couldn't they be "commonized" with DL's fleet for a relatively-low investment in avionics?

I was thinking the very same thing. Wouldn't it make sense for DL to get the Alaska MD-80's that they will retire? Allot of them are very young. Only disadvantage of the MD-80 is the lack of IFE and I do not know if the cabin interiors are upgraded to 717 style interior?
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 27):
Wouldn't it make sense for DL to get the Alaska MD-80's that they will retire? Allot of them are very young. Only disadvantage of the MD-80 is the lack of IFE and I do not know if the cabin interiors are upgraded to 717 style interior?

DL's MD-88's do not have IFE nor do they have the 717 interior either, so picking up Alaska's shouldn't be a problem.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):
DL's MD-88's do not have IFE nor do they have the 717 interior either, so picking up Alaska's shouldn't be a problem.

I wish Delta would install IFE on their MD-80s, even if it is not PTVs. The 737-800 system would be a good fit IMO. It would feature LCD screens under the bins, as people could bump their heads on ceiling-mounted screens to to the MD-88's lower ceiling, and would feature Airshow.
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Nlink (Reply 26):
Some of Delta's MD88 are converted MD82's

Correct, the first 3-5 aircraft were MD82s as MDC wasn't available to deliver -88s in time. The birds went back to MDC for cockpit and engine upgrades and a screw-driver tail!
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):
DL's MD-88's do not have IFE nor do they have the 717 interior either



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 29):
I wish Delta would install IFE on their MD-80s, even if it is not PTVs. The 737-800 system would be a good fit IMO.

As I think Positiverate knows, one of the differences in the MD88 was that you could order a new video system with drop-down LCD screens. Accordingly, there is someone out there that makes such a system that would work. However, DL has some pretty good data (and market intelligence) at this point on how different types of IFE affect yield on various routes (those types being: no ife, traditional seat-selected music and planewide video, satellite radio and no video, portable video and music, satellite video and music). The weight, expense, durability and complexity of these systems is by now well-known to DL. So I am pretty confident that they will be able to make a purely-profit-driven decision about how to go.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 31):
The weight, expense, durability and complexity of these systems is by now well-known to DL. So I am pretty confident that they will be able to make a purely-profit-driven decision about how to go.

Good point Wjcandee. Delta is currently going through a weight reduction campaign. We are removing everything that we absolutely don't need. For example we don't have magazines anymore. Saves weight right? Sure does but we've been flying empty magazine racks for over a year now. Someone got the bright idea to remove them. Less weight and....bonus!.... more overhead space! I think if DL got rid of mags because of weight, they really didn't cost Delta much to buy, then they will be hard pressed to install video systems on an AC that will almost exclusively see flight legs of 3 hours or less.

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Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 27):
Wouldn't it make sense for DL to get the Alaska MD-80's that they will retire? Allot of them are very young.



Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):
so picking up Alaska's shouldn't be a problem.

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Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:36 am

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 12):
at BOS, DL and AA are the largest

Off topic I know but any idea which one has more flight to BOS, comair/eagle included? from what I see in the air the seem to be about the same but DL does have a whole terminal to its self.
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 32):
I think if DL got rid of mags because of weight, they really didn't cost Delta much to buy, then they will be hard pressed to install video systems on an AC that will almost exclusively see flight legs of 3 hours or less.

OTOH - if they can find a way to remove the dropdown LCDs system from a 738 that gets converted to in-seat IFE song-style, and install them on a MD88, that's essentially recycling material they already own.

All that's needed is the engineering and certification.

Mind you, that requires 1) converting a 738 to Song style IFE -- something they have NOT, at this point, indicated they intend to do -- and 2) that dreaded word in Aviation : Certification ...

Oh, another thought : they ALSO have the "head-end" units from the converted-to-Song-style-IFE 757s sitting around, as well ... might help reduce the cost of adding dropdowns to more of the fleet ...

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Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Litz (Reply 35):
Oh, another thought : they ALSO have the "head-end" units from the converted-to-Song-style-IFE 757s sitting around, as well ... might help reduce the cost of adding dropdowns to more of the fleet ...

The 757 CRT screens are ceiling-mounted, and the MD-88's ceiling is lower than on a 757. Therefore, the 737-800 system would be more appropriate for the MD-88 (the MD-90 uses a similar system to the 737-800, although it doesn't have Airshow).

BTW Litz, I have heard that PTVs will be installed on all aircraft except the MD-88 and MD-90.

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Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting RMD11 (Reply 34):
Off topic I know but any idea which one has more flight to BOS, comair/eagle included?

Eagle should still have slightly more flights, though their own Amelie Earhart Terminal will be torn down, and all ops have been moved to AA's terminal, so their growth would be limited, whereas OH would still have some space at Terminal A.

Quoting Litz (Reply 35):
Mind you, that requires 1) converting a 738 to Song style IFE -- something they have NOT, at this point, indicated they intend to do

Nope, they did announce that. Their PRs regarding the Song-isation of their transcon product said that alongside the 48 ex-Song 757s, mainline 757s as well as 763s and some 738s would get Song-style interiors. Should be around 20 738s that get new interiors.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:46 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 37):
Should be around 20 738s that get new interiors.

DAL767400ER, latest report I've heard is all 70+ 738s will get the interiors.

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Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 38):
DAL767400ER, latest report I've heard is all 70+ 738s will get the interiors.

Long-term of course, that's a given, but for now, it's officially just "around 100 planes of ours 737-800, 757-200 and 767-300 series" that will get the new interiors. Though there's no doubts that it won't be long before all planes except the Mad Dogs and the RJs will have new interiors.
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 39):
Long-term of course, that's a given, but for now, it's officially just "around 100 planes of ours 737-800, 757-200 and 767-300 series" that will get the new interiors. Though there's no doubts that it won't be long before all planes except the Mad Dogs and the RJs will have new interiors.

Official and actual always differ as you know Wink But ok, I'll agree that for now "around 100 planes of ours 737-800, 757-200 and 767-300 series."
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 36):
The 757 CRT screens are ceiling-mounted, and the MD-88's ceiling is lower than on a 757. Therefore, the 737-800 system would be more appropriate for the MD-88 (the MD-90 uses a similar system to the 737-800, although it doesn't have Airshow).

Actually, what I meant was the head-end units would be available from the 757 conversions ... not the overhead screens, too ...

(It would be pretty stupid to transplant those CRTs anyway - replace 'em with dropdown LCDs and be done with it ... )

Although you're definately right - if they "songify" a 737-800, it would be a theoretically simple thing to transplant its old IFE system into a MD88.

The IFE system is, after all, bought and paid for ... the critical issue is whether or not the engineering/certifications (and weight penalty) become dealbreakers.

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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 28):
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 27):
Wouldn't it make sense for DL to get the Alaska MD-80's that they will retire? Allot of them are very young. Only disadvantage of the MD-80 is the lack of IFE and I do not know if the cabin interiors are upgraded to 717 style interior?

DL's MD-88's do not have IFE nor do they have the 717 interior either, so picking up Alaska's shouldn't be a problem.

Okay, Thank you for that information. I thought Delta had upgraded their cabin interior similar to what SAS has been doing. The problem I saw with the IFE was if DL would use them on longer legs that is currently operated by the 738. Without IFE it would feel like a downgrade for the passenger who used to fly on the 738.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:31 am

Picking up a handful of TW's old 757's would make alot of sense, they're all fairley young and mostly being neglected in the desert, or soon will be.

TWA also had alot of 763's that were jettissoned by AA, some are still sitting around IIRC.

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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:48 am

What about the difference in door configuration on the ex-TWA (4 door) versus the Delta fleet (3 plus overwing)? Wouldn't that cause problems with seating configuration commonality and crew training costs?
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:58 am

Quoting Lotsamiles (Reply 44):
What about the difference in door configuration on the ex-TWA (4 door) versus the Delta fleet (3 plus overwing)? Wouldn't that cause problems with seating configuration commonality and crew training costs?

Yeah, according to AA (that and the 'lower level of IFE offerred LOLOL)..

but, DL has two different configs on the 763ERs (-332ERs vs. -3P6ER & -324ER)
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting Lotsamiles (Reply 44):
What about the difference in door configuration on the ex-TWA (4 door) versus the Delta fleet (3 plus overwing)? Wouldn't that cause problems with seating configuration commonality and crew training costs?

DL has a few 763ERs that have 6 doors & 2 overwing exits instead of the 4 door & 4 overwing exit configuration & have made it work, so I'd think they may be able to do the same thing with the 757s.

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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:02 am

Quoting Lotsamiles (Reply 44):
What about the difference in door configuration on the ex-TWA (4 door) versus the Delta fleet (3 plus overwing)? Wouldn't that cause problems with seating configuration commonality and crew training costs?

If Delta configures these for international flights with BusinessElite, that would make up for the difference in exits, as the aircraft would be used on different routes than the rest of the 757 fleet. The six rows of domestic first class can be replaced by four rows of BusinessElite.
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:48 am

If Delta wants more MD's, there are MD-90's available, and since they are keeping the 16 they have, they would make more sense, as the bugs are out of them, they are more fuel efficient, and operate better in high/hot conditions. The MD Aircraft can be used on most Delta Domestic Flights. They use them now ATL-DEN, and ATL-PHX, so there are few routes that they are not usable, and the 737-800's are trans con aircraft.
 
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RE: DL Recalls Pilots, Shopping For 757/MD88

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:55 pm

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 48):
If Delta wants more MD's, there are MD-90's available

While that may be a possibility, one of the DL maint guys who posts on here regularly, who doesn't dislike the aircraft for any reason other than maintenance issues, says that to get any more would be insane, because they are, according to him, very challenging maintenance-wise. That's only one guy's opinion, and I haven't seen stats on dispatch reliability compared to the MD88 fleet, but he actually works on them...