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Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:22 pm

 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:59 pm

No sign of ordering larger aircraft just starting a base out of Europe. Still very interesting.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:12 pm

They could timidely start with a B739ER to DXB  Wink
 
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Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:34 pm

It doesn't make sense to me to open a new base outside Europe. I think the costs would be to much for a LCC like Ryanair it is.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:02 pm

Well, opening a base in Tunesia or Morocco would already be 'outside Europe' and would make a lot of sense. A base in Russia could also be very interesting.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:12 pm

Russia is a very ineresting market. Unfortunately the carriers need to fight with a lot of bureaucratic problems.
The Kremlin unfortunately has plans to merge all the Russian carriers into Aeroflot...and if this is going to happen then even Ryanair cannot change a thing...

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Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:14 pm

Ryanair should register planes in Tunisia if they would open a base there. Imagine a Ryanair Tunisia livery with regs.like TS-IRY  Wink Three B738W to start MRS, MPL, BVS, CRL, HHN, CIA, BGY, STN, LPL, FKB...think about it O'Leary !!!
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:21 am

From the article:

O’Leary said he would not leave the airline in 2008, as previously stated.

‘‘I will leave some time in the next couple of years; I wouldn’t tie myself down to 2008,” he said. ‘‘It will be some time after Ryanair has established world domination, then it will be time to go.”


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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:29 am

Why is it that they are saying that the aircraft limits them to flight of 4 and half hours or less ?. The 737-800 can fly for a lot longer than that.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:18 am

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 8):
Why is it that they are saying that the aircraft limits them to flight of 4 and half hours or less ?. The 737-800 can fly for a lot longer than that.

I was just thinking that, what is the 737's Average operating time wth full PAX and Cargo? .......... lets say weather is also average.

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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:30 am

A low cost carrier is traditionally flying on short routes. To split costs efficiently, they need to fly as much rotations as possible a day.

Maybe the Boeing is not limited, but their business model is limited to "shorter" routes. 4 hour+ routes are simply not good for a LCC.

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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10):
A low cost carrier is traditionally flying on short routes. To split costs efficiently, they need to fly as much rotations as possible a day.

Maybe the Boeing is not limited, but their business model is limited to "shorter" routes. 4 hour+ routes are simply not good for a LCC.

While this is definetly true there are more and more LCC expanding into other markets, JetStar International and Globespan are classic examples.

I think we will see more and more low cost airlines expand into international markets.

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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:08 am

People will definately get hungry on long haul flights to Asia. More money?
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting Raventom (Reply 12):
People will definately get hungry on long haul flights to Asia. More money?

It'll all be buy on board, so if the passengers go hungry, FR will say it's the passengers fault.
I have no doubt that the 737-800 can do more than 4 1/2 hours, but it's the question if passengers will be willing to, My guess is, is that if the price is right, then passengers will be willing to.

I'd guess a base in maybe Eastern Europe would be ideal, or maybe the route to Asia would be an add on to another route to say Poland ?

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 5):
The Kremlin unfortunately has plans to merge all the Russian carriers into Aeroflot...

Isn't that basicaly what it was during the Soviet rule ?

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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:46 am

‘‘It will be some time after Ryanair has established world domination, then it will be time to go.”

 Yeah sure


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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 8):
Why is it that they are saying that the aircraft limits them to flight of 4 and half hours or less ?. The 737-800 can fly for a lot longer than that.

I suspect the problem might be with the crew not with the aircraft. I think the maximum non-stop working day for crew is 10 hours. At a stage length longer than 4 1/2 hrs they would get close to exceeding this limit. And in that case they would not be able to return the crew to base but would instead have to overnight them at the destination which is expensive.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 3):
It doesn't make sense to me to open a new base outside Europe. I think the costs would be to much for a LCC like Ryanair it is.

Well from the T+C's for Ryanair pilots at least (well the ones on newish contracts) they can be shipped from hub to hub at 30 days notice. So wouldnt be too much extra at all for Ryanair. Infact as the Pilots pay is mainly dictated on the pay of the base they work from.... need I say more?


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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:28 am

When Ryanair hint's at Asia.... I think Turkey... Turkey is in Asia.
Turkey is just at the end of that 4.5 hour range from London, but in range for Ryanair's mainland hubs... and Hahn would be a natural given the turkish population of Germany.

Turkey is a net reciepient of EU money and potential member and puts it in the same sphere as Morrocco and Tunisia.

Cyprus is also in Asia (being below Turkey), but is considered Mediterranean and hence European, considering it's closer to Syria, Lebanon and Israel more than it is to Greece. Cyprus wouldnt make sense as a base though.
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:07 pm

IMO Ryanair would do extremely well with operations out of Turkey - mainly to Germany, Holland and Switzerland - because of the huge Turkish populations in those countries. They would have a lot of competition from other Turkish carriers though - even Turkish Airlines offers very competitive fares for immigrants to travel to Turkey during holidays. Maybe Ryanair and EasyJet could turn Sabiha Gokcen into a second Stansted!
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:18 pm

I wish them all the best, but being 6ft6 you would have to beat me to death before I spend more than 2hours on a no-frills LCC such as FR!!!
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:10 pm

It's a dumb idea, as someone correctly stated, the LCC model works only on shot/medium haul routes. Remember People Express and Laker Airways?
 
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:16 pm

"�Planning permission is a load of bullshit"

It is there for a reason though - if very single minded people could do what they liked without things like planning permission you'd end up with the whole of Dublin demolished to make space for M'Ol to park his 737s!
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:17 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 20):
It's a dumb idea, as someone correctly stated, the LCC model works only on shot/medium haul routes. Remember People Express and Laker Airways?

The difference is that FR wouldn't necessary be flying any longer sectors than it currently does; if you want to get to Asia with them it would just require a stopover or 2. From a cost perspective for FR there isn't the same risk; no widebody acquisition etc; just an expansion of the network that requires a couple of stops if you're trying to get from one end of it to the other.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:20 pm

From SAW they would also serve Tunisia because Istanbul is a popular shopping and tourism destination for Tunisians. Last August my Pex.fare to IST, with TK, was 370 DT/200 Euros !!!
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:36 pm

Quoting LoungeLover (Reply 19):
I wish them all the best, but being 6ft6 you would have to beat me to death before I spend more than 2hours on a no-frills LCC such as FR!!!

That being because Ryanair's 737's are smaller in height than everyone elses ??

Seat pitch is the same as everyone else.

Maybe you saw a 1:500 model in a shop and thought it was real ?
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 17):
Cyprus is also in Asia (being below Turkey), but is considered Mediterranean and hence European, considering it's closer to Syria, Lebanon and Israel more than it is to Greece. Cyprus wouldnt make sense as a base though.

There were rumors in Cypriot Press that Ryanair think of starting services to Cyprus sometime next year.

Initially the service will be a daily flight to Milan and then this may expand to other countries depending on the traffic.

In my opinion, the position of Cyprus makes in a good place for an airline base but not a low cost airline since low cost carriers do not support connecting traffic and I cannot see how Cyprus itself can support daily flights of a low cost carrier.
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 10):
4 hour+ routes are simply not good for a LCC.

Tell that to Southwest. They have lots of flights scheduled at over 4 hours including BWI-LAS at 5 hours and BWI-LAX at 5:25. Flight times for those routes are gonna be way over 4 hours.
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:55 am

As someone suggested first they could jump in in to charter flights market?
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:26 am

A base in Istanbul would be outside Europe. I suppose Ryanair has to expand somewhere.. I think it could happen. I still wouldn't fly Ryanair  Wink

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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 22):
The difference is that FR wouldn't necessary be flying any longer sectors than it currently does; if you want to get to Asia with them it would just require a stopover or 2.

That is true but the overhead is going to cancel out the model. And I do not know if many people would traavel to Asia in a 737. Also, the sector would be pretty long so I'm sure FR will need some peanuts to give to passengers.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:29 pm

For a base the should consider Greece,Turkey,Cyprus and of course the one yopu all forgot:
DBX.

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 25):
There were rumors in Cypriot Press that Ryanair think of starting services to Cyprus sometime next year.

Initially the service will be a daily flight to Milan and then this may expand to other countries depending on the traffic.

In my opinion, the position of Cyprus makes in a good place for an airline base but not a low cost airline since low cost carriers do not support connecting traffic and I cannot see how Cyprus itself can support daily flights of a low cost carrier.

There should be a low cost route to Cyprus. With 600.000 Cypriots living in London alone I am suppresed EasyJet has not started when Stelios with in charge.Also Cyprus is a popular tourist destination for British.
 
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RE: Ryanair Hint At Expansion Into Asia!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Mika10021 (Reply 30):
There should be a low cost route to Cyprus. With 600.000 Cypriots living in London alone I am suppresed EasyJet has not started when Stelios with in charge.Also Cyprus is a popular tourist destination for British.

Agree. I think what stops them from doing it is the 4h+ flight time from U.K. to Cyprus.

There is a quite big market on all UK-Cyprus routes, given that Cyprus Airways and BA operate more than 40 scheduled flights a week to Cyprus from LHR, LGW, MAN, BHX on top of all charter flights operated by MYT, FCA, ECA, HCY, Monarch, Excel etc.
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