ual747-600
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Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:34 pm

Please see the link for a new another article on the topic.

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new...t_story.jsp?id=news/aw061206p2.xml

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baron95
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:51 pm

To me this is the interesting bit...

"However, the new configuration's larger fuselage isn't compatible with the existing infrastructure Airbus uses to transfer components between its distributed manufacturing sites. The fuselage barrels can't be conveyed from Germany to the French final assembly line using the in-place A300-600ST outsize freighters."

Just like the 787 is dependent on certification of the 747 oversize freighters, looks like so is the new A350/370 family.Airbus may need to contract Evergreen to convert a few more 747 to transport the A350 parts around - that would be too funny.
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NAV20
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:52 pm

Good article, UAL747-600, thanks.

It seems to underline what, to my mind, is Airbus' main problem. To compete successfully with both the 787 and the 777 will take TWO new aeroplanes, not one:-

"But the new Airbus agenda could be problematic, too, industry officials suggest. For instance, if Airbus targets an airframe at the 777-200LR and -300ER, then the aircraft and engines will carry excessive weight when competing in a smaller version 787-8 and 787-9. And the 200-250-seat segment is the true "sweet spot" for the market, according to one Boeing official."
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JayinKitsap
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:29 pm

A 'pickle" comes to mind.
 
ap305
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:01 pm

Is Tim Clark becoming the Juan trippe of his era? He now seems to want a quad that flies DXB-LAX? I think Airbus needs to stick to its priorities and come up with an aircraft that appeals to the broader market and not just 1 or 2 airlines.
 
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting Ap305 (Reply 4):
Is Tim Clark becoming the Juan Trippe of his era? He now seems to want a quad that flies DXB-LAX?

And the A346 cannot do this it has been wiped out by the efficient 773ER. EK have 54 77W 12 772LR and 8 777F on order. Do you really think Airbus are stupid enough to design a quad bigger than 773ER given the current trend towards twins really is a shrinking niche market!!!  scratchchin 

Quoting Ap305 (Reply 4):
I think Airbus needs to stick to its priorities and come up with an aircraft that appeals to the broader market and not just 1 or 2 airlines.

 yes  checkmark 

The real danger for Airbus here is that they focus too hard on the A345/6 killer(777X) and miss the real opportunities in the 200-250 seat market ah la 787/8/9. They really risk having a 77W sized competitor that has no 'real advantage' over 777 and therefore is not optimised to compete with 787.  wink 

In short to compete successfully with both the 787 and the 777 is exactly as Nav20 says.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 2):
It seems to underline what, to my mind, is Airbus' main problem. To compete successfully with both the 787 and the 777 will take TWO new aeroplanes, not one:-

The big problem is Airbus trying to convince the Airline community that despite floundering around for 18 months on A350 and "we got it wrong" we now have a 787/777 killer developed in six weeks!!!!!!! wink 

Whether you believe that or not is your perogative but we know Mr Clarks statements about Airbus performance promises would explain why 77W orders are up to 54 and the A346 is no longer wanted...PERIOD

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Joni
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:33 pm

Clark wants a quad:

Clark says there may be a different option, optimizing the new aircraft to compete with the 787 and then attacking the 777 family with a third product. "Is there a place for a quad with a new wing, a new fuselage, a new engine? If you come up with what they are proposing ( ... ) The twin will not do everything. The airframe/engine combination will not allow it to carry a 55-ton payload under our rules from Dubai to Los Angeles," Clark points out.
 
RichardPrice
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:44 pm

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 1):
"However, the new configuration's larger fuselage isn't compatible with the existing infrastructure Airbus uses to transfer components between its distributed manufacturing sites. The fuselage barrels can't be conveyed from Germany to the French final assembly line using the in-place A300-600ST outsize freighters."

Where did they get that from?

Beluga cargobay width: 7.04m
Beluga cargobay height: 7.08m

A350 current fuselage width: 5.64m

787 current fuselage width: 5.74m

Unless Airbus are likely to increase the fuselage by more than 1.4m (highly unlikely, I think everyone will agree), it will certainly fit in the Beluga.
 
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:48 pm

Question: how are the 777 fuselage sections transported?
 
RichardPrice
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:51 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
Question: how are the 777 fuselage sections transported?

Manufacturered onsite arent they? I know a lot of the 777 is prefabbed, but I dont think it extends to whole fuselage barrels.
 
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:17 pm

You have to wonder what Airbus will do about the new sections. I cant see them being brought by road like the A380.

Would it be possible to enlarge the Beluga design? Or will a new assembly set up have to be built.
 
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RE: Aviation Week Airbus Widebody Issues

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:24 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 10):
Would it be possible to enlarge the Beluga design? Or will a new assembly set up have to be built.

Read my reply earlier, by all accounts the Belugas could theoretically carry a fuselage width similiar or indeed larger than the 787. I dont see where this 'it cant be done' comment in the article came from.

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