DL WIDGET HEAD
Posts: 1469
Joined: Wed Apr 12, 2000 8:18 am

SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:30 pm

SkyTeam, BAA agree to Heathrow co-location
Monday June 12, 2006
Nine SkyTeam member carriers signed an MOU with BAA Friday confirming their co-location at London Heathrow's Terminal 4 in 2008, when the new T5 opens and the airport reorganizes (ATWOnline, March 28).The alliance said nearly 3.5 million passengers travel through LHR each year aboard Aeroflot, Air France-KLM, Alitalia, CSA Czech Airlines and Korean Air. KLM already operates out of T4. AeroMexico, Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines are parties to the agreement and will have the option to take a place in T4 should they serve Heathrow in the future.

The alliance will upgrade the terminal to include 32 check-in desks, additional luggage drop-off locations, lounges and space for self-serve kiosks.

The above is from ATW Online Daily News. Curiously, CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR. What meaning do we derive from that?
 
kaitak744
Posts: 2086
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:32 pm

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
The alliance will upgrade the terminal to include 32 check-in desks, additional luggage drop-off locations, lounges and space for self-serve kiosks.

How many check-in desks are there now? Does this mean they will be expanding the terminal?

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
The above is from ATW Online Daily News. Curiously, CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR. What meaning do we derive from that?

Probably just a typo.


Also, do they plan to actually put the terminal under one roof and get rid of all those tube walk ways they have?
 
UAL777UK
Posts: 2107
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:16 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Also, do they plan to actually put the terminal under one roof and get rid of all those tube walk ways they have?

I doubt that, as it adds a hell of a lot of gates to the terrminal and I think quite a few non alligned airlines will be using T4 as well, especially when T2 get bulldozed!........That said having flown on numerous occasions from T4 I have had to walk to those end gates and it can take forever!
 
Speedbird2155
Posts: 684
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:44 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:16 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
How many check-in desks are there now? Does this mean they will be expanding the terminal?

AT present, about 95 desks.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 1):
Also, do they plan to actually put the terminal under one roof and get rid of all those tube walk ways they have?



Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 2):
I doubt that, as it adds a hell of a lot of gates to the terrminal and I think quite a few non alligned airlines will be using T4 as well, especially when T2 get bulldozed!........That said having flown on numerous occasions from T4 I have had to walk to those end gates and it can take forever!

The extension to T4, the victor pier, added 4 gates...not quite a 'hell of a lot'. These are indeed an important part of T4 and will likely continue to be used. This is all technically under 'one roof'. Many airports have long walkways to some gates, so this is not unique to LHR.
 
raffik
Posts: 1530
Joined: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:50 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:24 pm

Does this mean MEA will also be moving terminals?
- Alec
 
runway23
Posts: 1914
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:12 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:36 pm

You can expect quite a lot of non-skyteam airlines to go to terminal 4 as AFSL and KGS (airlines already at T4 such as Air Malta, Kenya, KLM) do quite a bit of ground handling of their own.
 
Aisak
Posts: 549
Joined: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:56 pm

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:00 pm

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR

I'm sure CO will be where VS is as long as their extensive agreement is in place.

CO "has" 11 daily flights out of LHR on VS aircrafts so i suppose any airline representative, lounges, common self-check-in machine.... will be at VS's side
 
panamair
Posts: 3759
Joined: Fri Oct 12, 2001 2:24 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting DL Widget Head (Thread starter):
Curiously, CO is not part of the nine carriers that will co-locate at LHR. What meaning do we derive from that?

It says nine carriers, and if you count the listed ones, they only make up eight. CO is the 9th one; must have been a typo in the second sentence.
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting Raffik (Reply 4):
Does this mean MEA will also be moving terminals?

Yes.

Concorde001,

Aerosite.net does not allow hotlinking.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
UAL777UK
Posts: 2107
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2005 1:16 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:10 pm

As far as I am aware, if your not in Star and currently in T1 you will be relocating to T4 when all the changes take place. Its going to be an enormous operation!
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:17 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Concorde001,
Aerosite.net does not allow hotlinking.

According to Aerosite.net:

Quote:
We do allow the use of logotypes from Aerosite, providing the user credits Aerosite as the source of the image and a link back to the site is provided.
 
BA
Posts: 10133
Joined: Fri May 19, 2000 11:06 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:33 pm

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 11):
Quoting BA (Reply 9):
Concorde001,
Aerosite.net does not allow hotlinking.

According to Aerosite.net:

Quote:
We do allow the use of logotypes from Aerosite, providing the user credits Aerosite as the source of the image and a link back to the site is provided.

Yes, as long as you use your own webspace.

However, you are directly hotlinking the logos from their website which is why none of the logos are showing up.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 12):
Yes, as long as you use your own webspace.

However, you are directly hotlinking the logos from their website which is why none of the logos are showing up.

Many thanks for pointing this out.
I would edit my original post, but the 30 minutes have time out!
 
User avatar
deltadawg
Posts: 868
Joined: Sat May 13, 2006 2:56 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:20 pm

Finally there are some true payoffs for DL and the SkyTeam alliance. DL has been trying for twenty-five years or more to gettng decent slots into LHR. Maybe, just maybe it will payoff for them this time. We shall see.

The only time DL has served LHR was back in the mid-late seventies when they had 747's and they did an interchange with PanAm to LHR. I like LGW but LHR would be a nice change.

Good Luck, SkyTeam and DL.
GO Dawgs, Sic' em, woof woof woof
 
positiverate
Posts: 1543
Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 10:35 pm

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:42 pm

Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 13):
Finally there are some true payoffs for DL and the SkyTeam alliance. DL has been trying for twenty-five years or more to gettng decent slots into LHR. Maybe, just maybe it will payoff for them this time. We shall see.

This is going to shape up to be an intersting battle within SkyTeam. As you all know, currently the EU and US are negotiationg an Open Skies agreement that would open up LHR. CO, however, is the only airline opposing the agreement with the Congress and the Adminsitration. Their reason? They have no MOU with any carrier to transfer LHR slots to CO. DL's MOU with AF was signed well before CO entered SkyTeam, and neither have any intention of amending. NW has the same MOU with KLM. This, effectivley, would be a significant blow to CO in the transatlantic market and especially out of NYC. So, CO is seeking to block an EU/US Open Skies agreement until someone promises them slots. Fortunately, they alone cannot stop the agreement from going forward so this may end up being them tilting at windmills.


Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 13):
The only time DL has served LHR was back in the mid-late seventies when they had 747's and they did an interchange with PanAm to LHR. I like LGW but LHR would be a nice change.

Right, but even then it was a PAA crew that took the airplane on to LHR. No DL crew were on board.
 
kaitak744
Posts: 2086
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:32 pm

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 3):
The extension to T4, the victor pier, added 4 gates...not quite a 'hell of a lot'. These are indeed an important part of T4 and will likely continue to be used. This is all technically under 'one roof'. Many airports have long walkways to some gates, so this is not unique to LHR.

That's quite not what I was talking about.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/t4lhr.jpg

You see all those yellow walk ways and white ones with in the premise of the actual terminal? I bet it would be a hell of alot better if those were under one roof.
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:24 pm

If Delta and NW do get slots from AF-KL, I can only see them getting a maximum of two/three each. I am also slightly concerned that DL/NW will have a tough time finding early morning slots for arrivals.
Oh well, let's wait and see  Wink
 
Speedbird2155
Posts: 684
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:44 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 15):
You see all those yellow walk ways and white ones with in the premise of the actual terminal? I bet it would be a hell of alot better if those were under one roof.

Those walkways link the jetways to the terminal and was how the terminal was designed, IIRC.
 
EddieDude
Posts: 6175
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:19 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:00 am

Who would AM get slots from? AF too? I hope this is the first step in AM's long quest to start flights to LHR!
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
KLM685
Posts: 1506
Joined: Sat May 21, 2005 12:41 pm

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):
Who would AM get slots from? AF too? I hope this is the first step in AM's long quest to start flights to LHR!

Hopefully! They are totally denied to fly to LGW cuz they are only waiting for a slot to LHR. Let's see how this goes! Good luck for AM of course.
KLM- The Best Airline in the World!
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: SkyTeam At LHR

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:20 am

If Alitalia gets strapped for cash, it may offer some slots.