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Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:06 pm

http://www.flybe.com/news/0606/12.htm

Flybe have just announced they are to expand into Germany.

They will be operating to Dusseldorf and Hannover from Southampton! Great news for the south, and fills the gap which Air Berlin left when they transferred their Paderborn service to Bournemouth...
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:15 pm

So the long expected expansion into Germany is finally becoming reality - this had been rumored for quite a while.

Both DUS and HAJ make very much sense - both airports are in the catchment area of British army bases, so the demand for VFR traffic should be there, and DUS is also in the center of a catchment area of potentially 10 Mio. customers within a 90 minutes drive.

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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:21 pm

Yes, its good news. Can certainly see myself using the route soon, Germany is a great country.

Dash-8 flights?
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:30 pm

Most likely. I don't think that these routes warrant a BAe right away.
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:50 pm

SOU-DUS has been eyed by various airlines in the past, including British Airways and Scot Airways, and the schedule shows that also business travel is targeted.
 
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:15 pm

Southampton airport is really expanding, from the end of october the airport will be welcoming theese 3 daily flights to Germany plus , with the launch of BMI from the airport , 4 daily flights to Amsterdam. But can the airport really cope much more, check-in queues can be horrific and tarmac space is limited.
 
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:18 pm

Flight times:

SOU 0630 - 0845 DUS 0915 - 0940 SOU
SOU 1800 - 2015 DUS 2050 - 2115 SOU

SOU 1305 - 1600 HAJ 1630 - 1725 SOU
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:41 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 6):
SOU 1305 - 1600 HAJ 1630 - 1725 SOU

Two hours in a prop might scare away some potential pax.
At least that was my impression when BA-whatever ran that ATR72 between HAJ and LGW (which indeed was not the most comfortable plane).

OTOH, BA left quite a gap in service to areas south of London, when they withdrew their LGW-service from HAJ.
But starting the route in winter will mean that not too many leisure travellers from HAJ use the route, as the south of England is more a summer destination for vacationers from Germany.
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 7):
OTOH, BA left quite a gap in service to areas south of London, when they withdrew their LGW-service from HAJ.
But starting the route in winter will mean that not too many leisure travellers from HAJ use the route, as the south of England is more a summer destination for vacationers from Germany.

You are right. However, don't forget about the potential of business travellers, which will be quite important at least on the double-daily DUS rotation.
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 6):
SOU 0630 - 0845 DUS 0915 - 0940 SOU
SOU 1800 - 2015 DUS 2050 - 2115 SOU

SOU 1305 - 1600 HAJ 1630 - 1725 SOU

Am i correct in thinking the Dusseldorf flights will be operated by the 146, with a flight time of 1h15?
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:39 am

Had heard rumours of the DUS service, but must admit HAJ is a bit of a surprise. AB who have moved to BOH may suffer from this aggressive BE move.
 
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:03 am

Great news though I agree with the issues of check-in and ramp space.

I would have thought that HAM would be another possibility given the large shipping and sailing presence in both cities. Perhaps not enough demand to fill a Q400 though.

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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:05 am

Will it be a Q400, B146 or E195 ?
 
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:42 pm

I suppose, they will start with a Q400 because of its lower passenger capacity and probably move to one of the larger jets in summer next year, if the route is successful.

This new route is even an attractive alternative for people who want to travel between both German cities and London - travel time from Southend Airport to Waterloo Station is 1h10 at a fare of 30 GBP. Quite comparable to STN-London and you don't have to endure the longish queues at Stansted.
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 13):
travel time from Southend Airport to Waterloo Station is 1h10 at a fare of 30 GBP.

Did you mean to say Southampton airport?  Wink Your point is a good one though, the railway station at Southampton airport is very convenient, just 99 steps from the terminal building according to the airport's website!
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:05 pm

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 14):
Did you mean to say Southampton airport?

D'oh! Yes, I meant Southampton. It is still pretty early in the morning, isn't it?  Wink
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting Capital146 (Reply 14):
Your point is a good one though, the railway station at Southampton airport is very convenient, just 99 steps from the terminal building according to the airport's website!

The shortest railway station - airport connection in Europe  Wink
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting Atco2b (Reply 16):
The shortest railway station - airport connection in Europe

I doubt that there SOU has the shortest railway station - airport connection in Europe, since many airports have the railway station on the lowest floor of the terminal like AMS, OSL, CGN, ....

Quoting 757lgw (Reply 5):
But can the airport really cope much more, check-in queues can be horrific and tarmac space is limited.

I sampled SOU the last Friday in March - and yes the queues were horrific that afternoon - almost 40 minutes queuing to check in for our flight to Manchester.

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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:09 pm

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
Most likely. I don't think that these routes warrant a BAe right away.



Quoting Atco2b (Reply 9):
Am i correct in thinking the Dusseldorf flights will be operated by the 146, with a flight time of 1h15?



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 12):
Will it be a Q400, B146 or E195 ?

I would have thought the Dash 8 will do this route, as the 146 will be being phased out once the 195s arrive. As the 195s haven't arrived yet, they wont be doing the route at first.

When are they hoping to start this route, and will there be any German routes from Exeter?
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 18):

I do seem to remember an article in the Express & Echo that flybe. were considering a service between EXT & CGN in the near future.

To be honest apart from CGN, only FRA & MUC could be considered from EXT for a german route as the market has already been aggresively covered by Easyjet from BRS.

I would think though that the agenda for flybe from EXT was to see how the new routes to NWI & EGC are performing, and also get a service between EXT & AMS in operation, before any of us can consider a city in Germany as another destination. For any further german expansion though, BHX would likely to be of priority ahead of NWI & EXT.

Good news for flybe. though!

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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:50 am

Both daily flights to DUS will be 146 operated, is there really this much initial demand?
 
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:35 am

BHX-HAJ is in the BE timetable (along with BHX-Galway and BHD-DSA)
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RE: Flybe Into Germany...

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:07 pm

Quoting 757lgw (Reply 20):
Both daily flights to DUS will be 146 operated, is there really this much initial demand?

This choice of equipment surprised me as well - maybe BE is currently a bit short on Q400's, so they chose to employ the BAE? I don't think that such an unknown niche route would warrant two daily double rotations on a 100-seater right away. Let's keep our fingers crossed that it works out for BE.
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