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Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:40 am

Well, some maybe will smile reading this "naive" post, but I feel I have to share it.  Smile

This week-end I had my first flight on an ATR and enjoyed every moment of it. While having flown as a passenger on many a jet, this was my first turboprop.

I can't understand now why people complain about turboprops. Frankly, it's not more noisy then a jet (you can easily talk to your neighbour, listen music on your CD-player etc), it takes not much longer time on short hops, you have much more space then on an RJ and it's much cheaper to operate for the airline.

With current oil prices, I think that airlines should seriously consider ATR/Bombardier for their short-haul operations, and manufacturers should think about bigger, A320/B737 sized turboprops.

Only one problem: those six-blades propellers are really tricky to photograph.  Smile
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:59 am

Workhorse,

Glad you had a chance to hop on a ATR. I've been flying the ATR since 1988 and this was a major improvment long ago. I agree on flights that don't go over an hour these planes are fine. Until a few months ago I lived in Michigan and took CO Connection Beach 1900D from Flint (FNT) to Cleveland (CLE) and this was a very nice flight. I would be happy to see props again.
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:07 am

I agree, Turbp-props are amazing! I always hope for new sercive to my local airport to be a prop! I personally like the Dash-8, looks a little more serious, but I have never had the chance to ride on a ATR.
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:00 am

Let me be the one to protest this post. I cannot stand turboprops. The only time I have been on one (and hopefully the last) was from JFK-RIC in January 2000. I don't know what you are talking about, but the noise is considerably louder than on a jet. The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated. It took us for what seemed like 2 hours to finally reach Richmond. And, I felt extremely sick to my stomach for some reason (maybe it was all that shaking). I literally had the barf bag out on my lap, but thank god we finally landed in Richmond before I had the chance to blow chunks everywhere. I would much rather prefer a smoother, faster, cramped CRJ than a shaky, slow, spacious prop.
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
Let me be the one to protest this post. I cannot stand turboprops. The only time I have been on one (and hopefully the last) was from JFK-RIC in January 2000. I don't know what you are talking about, but the noise is considerably louder than on a jet. The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated. It took us for what seemed like 2 hours to finally reach Richmond. And, I felt extremely sick to my stomach for some reason (maybe it was all that shaking). I literally had the barf bag out on my lap, but thank god we finally landed in Richmond before I had the chance to blow chunks everywhere. I would much rather prefer a smoother, faster, cramped CRJ than a shaky, slow, spacious prop.

Take more trips on a prop, try a variation. Ypur basing a dislike for such a wonderful and varied aircraft, based on 1 trip.

I've done Dash 8-100/200/300/400 Saab200 and F50's I think there great.

Variety is the spice of life.

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:03 am

I have flown on the following: (All Prop-Jets) B99, Beech1900 Airliner Merto3, HS748 and Dash8-200. The B99 i really didn't like but the others i loved flying on. Prop-Jets have come along way, especially the Q400. Man i just wish airlines would realize that passengers would fly "larger" prop-jets and they can make money compared to Regional Jets even though on many regional jet routes only a jet can reach the distance knowing some airlines use regional jets on really far routes. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Workhorse (Thread starter):
Well, some maybe will smile reading this "naive" post, but I feel I have to share it.

Thanks for sharing it with us.  Smile

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated.

I kind of liked that aspect of prop flights.

I enjoyed flying prop flights on Allegheny Commuter during the 1980's (I miss those days  Sad ); LNS-PHL-JFK and reverse. Sometimes just LNS-PHL and reverse.


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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
but the noise is considerably louder than on a jet. The flight was very shaky and the whole cabin vibrated.

That's how you know you're on a "real" airplane! Nothing better! (Unless you're hopping on a round-engined plane...now THAT'S pure bliss!)  Smile
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 6):
I enjoyed flying prop flights on Allegheny Commuter during the 1980's (I miss those days );

I loved the Shorts 330 and 360.. use to fly them all the time between ACY-PHL/BWI... man, they were slow though!!
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:06 am

Turboprops are great. I have flown right seat in a Beach 1900, rode in a Dash 8 (for QX), Saab 340, and Embraer E120. These are all great planes. I think, however, that airlines are looking more for regional jets and not turboprops. Be that as it may, turboprops are great!
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:12 am

Makes me long for the days of the Convair 580. Solid and big picture windows.
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:14 am

And, as a passenger and a frequent flyer, I'll take a Beechcraft or SAAB or ATR any day over a CRJ. I can sleep to the 'tune' of the engines - I cannot sleep with a fellow passenger on my lap

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Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:21 am

My first flight was in one of these. Just look at the size of the windows - if you had an aisle seat you still got a good view through them:

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The seats were in pairs, half forward facing, have rearward facing. Those facing each other had a table beween them. (These were the days before 28 inch pitch Y class seating.) I flew LHR-LBJ and at Le Bourget on the ground was the death knell of the turboprop, a pre-delivery PA 707 (N707PA) and a preproduction Caravelle in AF livery (F-BHHI). It was late July or early August 1958.
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:34 am

I totally agree. Turboprops really are fantastic, and I just love them. They somehow get me back to the essence of flying. I feel much more of a connection with turboprops. I live in SBY, and I can either have a 20 minute flight in a turboprop SBY-PHL or drive 3 hours to Philly. You can guess which one I'd rather do!

Noise and vibration are increased with props, but Bombardier now offers the Q series. They have active noise cancellation and vibration dampeners. According to Bombardier, they are just as quiet and smooth as a CRJ. I've never flown on a Q, but I really would love to one of these days.


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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:45 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 12):
My first flight was in one of these. Just look at the size of the windows - if you had an aisle seat you still got a good view through them:

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The seats were in pairs, half forward facing, have rearward facing. Those facing each other had a table beween them. (These were the days before 28 inch pitch Y class seating.) I flew LHR-LBJ and at Le Bourget on the ground was the death knell of the turboprop, a pre-delivery PA 707 (N707PA) and a preproduction Caravelle in AF livery (F-BHHI). It was late July or early August 1958.

Sigh.....Could I be more jealous? I think not....unless it was one of these, (for size and power):


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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:49 am

Well, after about a half an hour of searching, I FINALLY found the aircraft that I flew on from JFK-RIC. If you guys will share your opinions on this aircraft, that would be great. Was I just overreacting or is this one of your favorite props?


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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 15):
If you guys will share your opinions on this aircraft, that would be great.

Hi Evan. I really don't have much of an opinion on the J41...ACA used to bring them here to Cleveland, but that's my primary association with them.

As I am quite a bit older than you, I have a real affinity for the "first generation" turboprops...the louder and smokier the better! Having said that however, I realize times change, powerplants become cleaner and more efficient. Of the newer turboprops, my favorite family is the Bombardier (DeHavilland) stable of Dash 8's. I think the Q400 is particularly nice!
 
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:56 am

I have been a regular on Horizon Air for over 10 years now. The Dash 8-200's are nice and cozy. The Dash 8-400's are really nice. I do miss the 36" seat pitch that QX had on those aircraft when they first started flying that aircraft type.

I just flew on Bangkok Air's ATR 72-500 last month. My first time on an ATR. It was interesting to see the baggage compartment located between the cabin and the cockpit. Reminds me of AS and Markair's 737-200 combi's. The flight attendant had to squeeze by the baggage to deliver snacks and drinks to the flight deck on the ATR. I like how the rear wheel assembly is located below the cabin and not attached to the engine assembly like the Dash aircraft. That allows for better views from the cabin during landing and final approach. Other than that, the ATR-72 and Dash 8-400 were similar in comfort and size.

I miss the Aspen Airways Convair 580's. They were noisy but what a ride!!
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:56 am

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:38 pm

Quoting Airlinebrat (Reply 17):
I miss the Aspen Airways Convair 580's



Quoting RJNUT (Reply 18):
now her's the real deal

The 580 engines (Allisons?) look the same as on the 4-engine Lockheed Electra L-188. Loved that plane! It flew down here in thre deep south for QF and TEAL (pre-NZ). Lovely plane (only recently did I find out they had significant design problems that needed sorting out!).

Is it true that the best piston-engine planes were even more economical than the turbine?
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:21 pm

For me are (turbo)props aircraft in which you feel true flying. I flew the Turbo-Let 410 (bumpy), Virgin Atlantic Vickers Viscount (lot of leg space), VLM Airlines Fokker 50 (very comfortable) and the KLM exel ATR-72 (very fast).

ATR is selling a lot of planes at this moment.


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Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:40 pm

Props are always fun to fly if you are not stuck in them for too long, 1.5 hours is about the maximum IMO. Have quite some prop experience:

ATR 42 and ATR 72 from LOT, ATR 72 from NZ:


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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:52 pm

Newer turboprops are great, but anything sporting Darts scores better  Smile

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:03 pm

Thanks to everyone for replying in this thread! I knew I were going to find a lot of prop fans here.  Smile

Those new turbopropos (ATRs and, I guess, Bombardier Q-series should be the same) seem to be really confortable.

I wonder how much time it will take to ATR or Bomardier to create a new concept : imagine a twin tubroprop with 5 or 6 across seating, with high usage of modern light materials (isn't Alenia, one of ATR consortium members, also an important subcontractor for B787 program?) and a new modern passanger cabin a la E-Jets.

Those turboprops would seat 70-130 passengers, fly short haul routes (1-1.5 hours) and replace B737s/A320s on shuttle services.

On a large scale, fuel economy would be huge!
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:25 pm

Workhorse
I agree turboprops are a great way to fly. My favorite flight was on a BA HS 748 from Inverness to Stornoway many years ago.

I did start a topic on Turboprops recently. Some bits you might find interesting?
Turboprops The Renaissance? (by DHHornet Jun 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:36 pm

Turboprops are brilliant!!!!!

When I travelled from Belfast to Manchester afew years ago, we travelled on a British Airways ATP.

Even though the aircraft was old, the seating was spacious, the cabin crew where professional and friendly, and the noise was just great. hehe. If your a true aviation ethusiast, surely you wouldnt mind the noise.

Plus are turboprops not used on short flights? The noise shouldnt really be cause for concern.

I can only dream of travelling on a Dash 8 someday. Im sick to death of travelling on jets (I still love them though). Apparently, when I was young I had a flight on a DC3 which my dad loved. Of course I couldnt remember a thing!!
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:44 pm

I personally like the Dash 8 as thats the only only a/c I fly on between PHL-ELM. It used to be a Dash 8-100, but now its a 300. I ride in the back mostly b/c its quiet back there and I get more sleep. I'd take a Dash over a CRJ ANY day.

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:45 pm

I'll agree that for short-haul flights RJs should just go away, turboprops are definetly the way to go! The Dash-8 is one of my favourite aircraft. Not the most comfortable or spacious aircraft on the market, but it beats the CRJ without even trying and on the Dash-8 it feels like real flying. Just all around a fun, good looking, built-to-last airplane that I think all regional airlines could use more of. With todays rising fuel prices, tiny profits and increased concern about global warming, I find it amazing that any airline would take 50 or 70 seat RJs over the ATR or Dash-8 series now.

I can't speak for the ATR because I haven't flown aboard one yet, but they do appear to be a step above the RJs as well, and they seem to be selling relatively good so they must be decent aircraft as well. And as for the HS748s that Air North operate, theres a good reason why people call them a "Screaming Hawker", but in my opinion they're in the same boat as any other turboprop, just plain fun. Also, from what I can tell they are pretty solid little airplanes, just seem to be able to take more than those flimsy little RJs that Jazz has.

Turboprops = real airplanes.


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Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:55 pm

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:44 pm

Quoting CanadianNorth (Reply 27):
Turboprops = real airplanes.

Amen to that, brother!! I'd take anything with a prop in front of the wing over a vacuum-cleaner sound-alike RJ.
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 15):
Was I just overreacting or is this one of your favorite props?

Ahhhhhhhhh, J-41! You must have had a bad one. Mind you, the prop sync can be noisy and if it doesnt sync properly then maybe you would feel a little opressed Big grin

J-41, Dash 8, Beech 1900, SAAB 340, Fokker 27 - all wonderful aircraft! Mind you, if you want a NOISY turboprop, get a ride on a C-130. That'll make your hair curl! Big grin

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting RC135U (Reply 10):
Makes me long for the days of the Convair 580. Solid and big picture windows.

My exact thoughts. My last one was a Bar Harbor Airlines Jan 1st 1982 with a full hang over. This flight was from PQI (Presque Isle Maine) with a stop in Augusta Maine. I felt like garbage but was smart enought to know this could be my last Convair. This is the turbo's I'd like to fly on!
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 30):
if you want a NOISY turboprop, get a ride on a C-130. That'll make your hair curl!

I have (ridden in a C-130), I almost got air sick!  vomit 

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:55 am

Well, what to say... love them. Experienced a few of them; Beechcraft 1900 D, Saab 340, ATR 42, ATR 72, Dash 8-100, Dash 8-300, Fokker F50
I love the B 1900D, since there is no separate cockpit, it's a real fun.
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 32):
I have (ridden in a C-130), I almost got air sick! vomit

Yep. Being a passenger in a Hercules is surely one of the most unpleasant experiences in 4-engined flying! Flew them a few times across the Tasman and wished I'd gone by boat.
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:03 am

J-41 and B-1900 I do not like at all! Dash-8's are amazing most of the time I'm sleeping on one I am dreaming of being on my riding lawn mower. And Dash-8 pilots are real pilots too! They dont seem to complain about stupid little things all day long like some of these Jet A/C
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:02 pm

In case many are wondering where old turboprops go - wonder no more.....although I think the CASA was ordered new.

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For a lot of people, riding on one takes a leap of faith! And if further proof is needed..... Luxair Orders 3 Bombardier Q400 Turboprobs (by Luxair Jun 13 2006 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:19 pm

How about this monster....I wonder if anyone here ever flew on this beauty!
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 21):
Props are always fun to fly if you are not stuck in them for too long, 1.5 hours is about the maximum IMO.

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:58 pm

Hmmmm...Let me see....what kind of Turboprops have I flown on???

ATR 42-300 and ATR 72-200
Beech 99, B99, C99, B1300, 1900C, 1900C-1 and 1900D
BAe Jestream 31 and ATP
deHavilland DHC6-300 Twin Otter(Vistaliner) and Dash 8-100
Dornier 228-200
Fairchild F-27, F-27F and FH-227C
Fokker F.27-200 and F.27-500
Grumman G73T Turbo Mallard
SAAB SF340A, S340B and S340B+
Shorts 360
Swearingen Metro II, Metro III and Metro 23
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My wish List:
Convair 580/600/640
Dornier 328 Prop
Hawker Siddely HS-748
Lockheed L188 Electra
Grumman G-159 Gulfstream
Dash 7
Dash 8-200, 300 and 400Q
GAF N22 or N24 Nomad
Grumman Aero Commander Turboprop
Antonov AN-24
Nord 262
Mohawk M298
Swearingen Merlin II or III or IV
Cessna 425 Corsair and 441 Conquest
ANY Beechcraft King Air......
BAe Jestream 41
Handely Page 137 Jetstream (Turbomeca Astazou engines)
Shorts SC-7 Skyvan and 330
Handely Page Dart Herald
Vickers Viscount any series...
------------Just to name a few....LOL

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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:47 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
I felt extremely sick to my stomach for some reason (maybe it was all that shaking). I literally had the barf bag out on my lap, but thank god we finally landed in Richmond before I had the chance to blow chunks everywhere. I would much rather prefer a smoother, faster, cramped CRJ than a shaky, slow, spacious prop.

Evan, I often get sick in airplanes, but I love flying too much to avoid it.

You should try again!! Big grin

Don't think I have been sick in a turboprop plane yet! Sure there is additional vibration and noise in a turboprop, but it's the motion of mid-sized airplanes like A320 - B767 encountering turbulence that I find sickening.

B1900D is amazing! Dash 8 is amazing! Although I don't remember it too well (years ago), Convair 580 was great too.

Can't wait to fly again...
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:42 pm

I have only been able to fly on the B1900 a few times, but each time I loved it! I was a little hesitant at first since the first time I rode on one was right after the crash in CLT a few years ago, but it was a great experience! I was especially surprised at the power on take off as well (there were only 3 other people on the plane!)

The open cockpit is really awesome too, I sat in the 1A seat and felt like I was jumpseating! Once on approach to MCI we came through some rain and heavy cloud cover and it was amazing to be able to see us bust through the clouds and come in on a short final... It was the best 40 minutes of flying ive had!


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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:24 pm

I enjoy every flight on a turboprop. I'm used to fly KLC's F50 quiet often and it's always like a little adventure or better like going back in time! I love those planes. Flew also a few times on the ATR42 & Dash8. The ATR was the most quiet and also the most modern one (in my opinion) in the trio I flew.
 
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RE: Turboprops Rule!

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 41):
I have only been able to fly on the B1900 a few times, but each time I loved it! I was a little hesitant at first since the first time I rode on one was right after the crash in CLT a few years ago, but it was a great experience!


Dude there is nothing unsafe about the 1900D as long as you adhere to the weight and balance CG limits. Any aircraft out of ist CG limits will end up crashing eventually if bad enuff...

I have flown on the C and D model of the 1900s and even tho you have to bend over to get to your seat, I prefer the 1900C model as it seems to perform more like a rocket. Thats not to say the the 1900D is a slouch as its and awesoem machine for its size!
I used to work for Great Lakes Airlines in Sterling/Rock Falls, Illinois before they ended service on 2 Apr 99....I loved working the 1900Cs and Ds.....It was a great plane and I miss it very much. I miss prop planes in general...So so tired of commuter jets....Ok, I'll stop now..

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