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Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:05 pm

Hi everyone,

Do you have any idea about the youngest crashed aircraft?

It may be the AF A320 crashed during the tests of full electronic flight? (just a guess)

Or is there any crashed A/C during its first flights? Which type, which airline?
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:13 pm

Hi,

There is the A330-321 which crashed at TLS during a test flight. First flight on 14/10/1993, crashed on 30/6/1994, killing the crew of 7.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940630-0

There's a memorial at TLS, with a trim wheel recovered from the wreckage. See photo here :

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=228729

Probably not the youngest crashed a/c ever, though.

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:14 pm

I know there was a Comet that crashed on its delivery flight to a former Canadian airline.

Also, I believe there was a Braniff 707 that crashed just prior to its delivery flight.

More recently, there was the famous 320 crash in 1988 during the low altitude fly-by as well as the 330 that crashed during an engine-out test (1994?).

I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that come to my mind.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:16 pm

I believe there was an A330 incident during testing ?
I may be wrong but I believe someone (I think someone on the flight deck) was killed.
Also not that new compared but remember that nice shiny new Air China 744 that was delievered and then 2 months later some idiot pilot decided to take her off the end of Kai Taks runway !!

Hope these qualify ?

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:19 pm

There have been lots of crashes of airliners during testing and development.
The BAC 1-11 comes to mind in the '60s - the test crew was sadly lost in the crash. The problem, as I recall, was flutter related to the T-tail design, which was new at that time. The lessons learned were passed on to later T-tail designs, including the 727 and DC-9 programs.

As for newly delivered aircraft, I'm not sure. I'm sure the Eastern L-1011 in 1972 was up there. I don't think those planes had been in service a year when that plane crashed into the Everglades near MIA.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2):
I know there was a Comet that crashed on its delivery flight to a former Canadian airline.

Canadian Pacific's Empress of Hawaii, crashed on takeoff at Karachi 3 March 1953. Aircraft was being delivered to Sydney to operate Sydney-Nadi-Honolulu and v.v. (Aircraft didn't have the range to do HNL-SFO).
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:04 pm

Discounting aircraft that have been destroyed whilst on flight test with the manufacturer, the following must be top contenders:

N219AS (c/n 120019) EMB120
Destroyed after CFIT whilst on delivery flight to Atlantic Southeast Airlines
Mantiqueira, Brazil
19/09/1986


F-GFKC (c/n 009) A320-111
Destroyed 5 days after delivery
Habsheim, France
26/06/1988


OY-APB (c/n 10426) Fokker 27-500
Destroyed 10 days after delivery
Bornholm, Denmark
27/12/1969


N9101 (c/n 45794) DC-9-14
Destroyed 15 days after delivery
Wemme, OR, USA
01/10/1966


YV-C-AVD (c/n 47243) DC-9-32
Destroyed 18 days after delivery
Maracaibo, Venezuela
16/03/1969


Hope this helps!

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:38 pm

I'd have to go look up the details, but one of the prototype CRJ's crashed
during flight testing near Wichita I think. They were testing the aft
CG limits and lost control of the airplane.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:44 pm

AA L-188 N6101A crashed a few days after entering service. The BN L-188 that came apart over Buffalo, TX had only been in service a few weeks. Braniff did lose a 707-227 near Moses Lake, WA on a test flight before delivery. Delta destroyed a Convair 880 on a training flight right after delivery, and Continental lost a DC-7B on its maiden flight when it collided with a USAF F-89 Scorpian over Southern California, the DC-7B crashing into a school yard, and killing children on the ground. That incident is reenacted in the movie, La Bamba, the story of Richie Valens, who was in the school yard when it happened, and who died in a B-35 Bonanza on February 3, 1959 after takeoff from MCW with Buddy Holly, and the Big Bopper.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:48 pm

This may take the cake, from Aviation-Safety.net

Notice the total airframe hours - 6


Status: Final
Date: 19 JUN 1980
Time: 18:49 MST
Type: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-81
Operator: McDonnell Douglas
Registration: N1002G
C/n / msn: 48001/917
Year built: 1979
Total airframe hrs: 6
Engines: 2 Pratt & Whitney JT8D-209
Crew: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 3
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 0
Total: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 3
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: Yuma International Airport, AZ (YUM) (United States of America)
Phase: Landing
Nature: Test
Departure airport: Yuma International Airport, AZ (YUM)
Destination airport: Yuma International Airport, AZ (YUM)

Narrative:
N1002G, the second DC-9-80 series prototype took off from Yuma, AZ at 18:20 for a certification test flight to demonstrate that the plane could be landed safely with a complete failure of its hydraulic systems. The crew were to fly a low approach, go around and another approach with a full stop landing. Both approaches to be flown without hydraulic pressure. The second approach was rejected at about 800 feet agl because the warning light for "parking brakes set" was lit. The aircraft was positioned for another approach to runway 21R. The aircraft touched down at around 175 knots just past the arresting cable, 1,831 feet beyond the landing threshold of the runway. Reverse was used before touchdown of the nosegear. The aircraft yawed and ground looped and ran off the right side of the runway. After the aircraft left the pavement, the left main gear collapsed and the right main gear and the nose gear separated from the aircraft. The aircraft came to rest on its lower fuselage about 50 feet beyond the right edge. Two 50-ton cranes then tried to lift the aircraft; one of the cranes broke and fell on top of the fuselage.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "Inadequate procedures established for certification test flight, and the pilot's mismanagement of thrust following the initial loss of directional control"
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 9):
Two 50-ton cranes then tried to lift the aircraft; one of the cranes broke and fell on top of the fuselage.

I think that this one, regardless of age, takes the cake, as after the accident the crane broket adding insult to injury
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:55 pm

I don't know if it's been written off yet or not, but there's also the 747F that failed the pressure test @ the Boeing factory a few weeks back.

It never even made it to first flight ...

(I'd agree that the MD80 w/six flight hours probably takes the cake)

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:55 pm

N310EA, that flew EA401 in 12.29.72 was only 3-4 months old. But it flew on in "spirit" for years...
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:08 am

How old was that 734 that crashed in England when the pilot turned off the wrong engine b/c of an engine fire? I remember that plane being brand new (and the 734 being new) also --- although I doubt new enough to trump the examples above (although maybe up there for planes in service).

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 8):
who died in a B-35 Bonanza on February 3, 1959 after takeoff from MCW with Buddy Holly, and the Big Bopper.

The day the music died (as immortalized by Don McLean in "American Pie" aka "The Book of Love"). As a random aside, I read somewhere that the plane's name was "American Pie"....any truth to that?
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:10 am

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19661001-1&lang=en

Of all airframes lost, this is the youngest plane I could find that was in passenger service at the time.

Interestingly, according to the book I have on the DC-9, the all-time highest flight-cycle DC-9 is the air is #53 - the immediate sister aircraft to the lowest flight-cycle aircraft, this one lost in Oregon.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Dartland (Reply 13):
How old was that 734 that crashed in England when the pilot turned off the wrong engine

According to this database the 737 was built in 1988 and crashed on 8 January 1989 with a total of just 521 airframe hours.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting BCAL (Reply 15):
According to this database the 737 was built in 1988 and crashed on 8 January 1989 with a total of just 521 airframe hours.

Thank you!

Yep, that plane was delivered on 15 Oct and crashed 8 Jan, for less than 2 months work. Definitely not the record, but certainly way up there.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:10 am

N9101 had 164 hours on the airframe...beat the 521 hours of the 737-400. Not a record anyone wants to break, really...

N9101 was line number 52...Number 53 was delivered N3310L to Delta...then to Southern, then on to Republic, then Northwest will it served with distinction until all series -10 aircraft were retired. High mileage champ!!
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:24 am

The China Airlines 747-400 that crashed at Kai Tak in 1993 was less then a year old.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:56 am

What about that Tu-144 that crashed during the Paris Air Show on June 3, 1973. I'd assume that that was a pretty young aircraft.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:32 am

Piper lost a Meridian during their initial test flights, sadly took the test pilot along with it.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:46 am

Why was that A330 that crashed in 2004 killing 7 on a test flight kept so quiet?

Are there any pictures anywhere apart from the memorial?
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:55 am

PEOPLE, get these right.... its like the Quantas / Qantas issue.

AIR CHINA - CHINA

CHINA AIRLINES - TAIWAN... the crap lot that have crashed more than I can remember!
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
The China Airlines 747-400 that crashed at Kai Tak in 1993 was less then a year old.

Four to five months old (according to the captions to the various photographs in the database).


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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:46 am

On June 3, 1966, one of the first production Trident aircraft crashed during its first flight as a result of entering a deep-stall condition, with all four crew members killed. The aircraft was carrying out the first of a series of production test flights to qualify for a Series Certificate of Airworthiness. After completing a large part of the required tests, the stall tests were begun. Three approaches to stall were made to check the stall warning and stall recovery systems. The fourth stall test was made at an altitude of 11,600 ft in the landing configuration and with the stall warning and recovery systems inoperative. The Trident entered a deep stall with the nose going up to a 30¡Þ¨C40¡Þ attitude. The aircraft turned to the left, the right wing dropped, and the plane went into a flat spin to the right. The investigation board concluded: ¡°During a stalling test, decisive recovery action was delayed too long to prevent the aircraft from entering a superstall (deep stall) from which recovery was not possible.¡±


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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 2):
Also, I believe there was a Braniff 707 that crashed just prior to its delivery flight.

Back in the day when cars had fins, phones had dials, gas was like $.17 a gallon, TV's were big fat things with black and white, Braniff and American took delivery of brand new Lockheed Electra turboprops. At least, the Branniff bird was one of the unfortunate planes that crashed.  crying 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting Litz (Reply 11):
I don't know if it's been written off yet or not, but there's also the 747F that failed the pressure test @ the Boeing factory a few weeks back.

That aircraft will not be written off !!

Quoting Joffie (Reply 21):
Why was that A330 that crashed in 2004 killing 7 on a test flight kept so quiet?

It wasn't "kept quiet" at all. It's been listed with A330 crash statistics since the time of the incident.

It perhaps isn't very widely known because it happened before the aircraft was in widespread commercial use, and with no commercial passengers aboard.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:02 pm

The US 734 that went off the runway at LGA as flight 5050, N416US (just 8 months old), had accumulated 2236 hours and 1730 cycles.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Joffie (Reply 21):
Why was that A330 that crashed in 2004 killing 7 on a test flight kept so quiet?

What A330 crash in 2004....?? It happened in 1993... you were what...? 3 years old. No wonder you don't remember it..

Quoting N754PR (Reply 22):
PEOPLE, get these right.... its like the Quantas / Qantas issue.

AIR CHINA - CHINA

CHINA AIRLINES - TAIWAN... the crap lot that have crashed more than I can remember!

What are you talking about...??? Is there a miss quote..??
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 28):
What A330 crash in 2004....?? It happened in 1993... you were what...? 3 years old. No wonder you don't remember it..

Actually happened in 1994. My finger pressed the wrong button. Happens, even to the best of us.

According to airfleets.net

30/06/1994 Airbus A330 Airbus Industrie F-WWKH (MSN 42)

Toulouse, France 7

[Edited 2006-06-15 06:36:08]
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:34 pm

One of BNs 707-227s crashed on a test flight before delivery, killing all but one of those on board.

WAAAAAAAAY back in the 40's the first Handley Page Hermes 1 crashed on take off on its maiden flight! All on board were killed, but the programme continued and the Hermes was later produced as the Hermes 4, and the original Hermes 1 design was developed as the Hastings military transport.

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 3):
some idiot pilot decided to take her off the end of Kai Taks runway !!

look i don't know much about you from these forum....but you weren't onboard but I DO WISH that people would stop talking about my colleagues like this. You think the guy wanted to run off the end? You make it sound like it was such a simple thing that he did and the only outcome was that the pilot was an idiot....
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:38 pm

Quoting Joffie (Reply 21):
Why was that A330 that crashed in 2004 killing 7 on a test flight kept so quiet?

Are there any pictures anywhere apart from the memorial?

Assuming that you are referring to the crash that occurred on 30 June 1994, the incident was reported by the main news agencies and, furthermore, the actual incident was captured on film and broadcast on many news channels. You will even find a video of the crash on one of the air safety websites (sorry, cannot recall which one).
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:08 pm

What determines how young an aircraft is? The amount of hours it has flown or the amount of flights it has flown? A 737 can fly more flights than a 747 but can have less flight time than a 747
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:53 pm

Legoguy:

As "young" I wanted to mention the date of product and the date of crash is not very long.

To see only 4-5 months old China Airlines' 747 crashed in Kai Tak Aiport is too bad  Sad
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:57 pm

Let's not forget the Wright FLyer!
It crashed on its third flight. Low time pilot. Minor injuries.
Pilot, well known. Not sure if NTSB figured out the cause. Flt. recorder not found.

The BAC 111 that crashed in England was in a deep stall condition. The elevators
were blanketed out by the fuselage and couldn't get the nose down to get out of
the stall. Plane crashed with almost no forward speed. 3 crew (I believe) died.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 26):
Quoting Litz (Reply 11):
I don't know if it's been written off yet or not, but there's also the 747F that failed the pressure test @ the Boeing factory a few weeks back.

That aircraft will not be written off !!

Good news but what actually happened?

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Archer (Reply 35):
Let's not forget the Wright FLyer!
It crashed on its third flight. Low time pilot. Minor injuries.

Not only did the Flyer crash on its third flight (that's what, less than 10 minutes of airtime?) but almost every one of the replica Flyers built for the 100th anniversary ALSO crashed or at least hard landed.

And most of those were flown by some of the most experienced pilots around in flight test, miltary, commercial, and private circles.

In many of the TV documentaries on those flights, the pilots describe it as the single most difficult and challenging aircraft they've ever flown.

Which just shows how lucky we are that 1) the Wright's didn't kill themselves and 2) that airplanes have developed as far as they have today.

It astounds me that we've gone from that rickety wooden contraption to Spaceship One in just 100 years.

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:56 am

Correct me if I'm wrong but I recall reading somewhere that Air France lost a 707 on Guadelope in 1967 while on its first revenue service after delivery.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 31):
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 3):some idiot pilot decided to take her off the end of Kai Taks runway !!
look i don't know much about you from these forum....but you weren't onboard but I DO WISH that people would stop talking about my colleagues like this. You think the guy wanted to run off the end? You make it sound like it was such a simple thing that he did and the only outcome was that the pilot was an idiot....

he ran off the runway after landing in gale force winds
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:24 pm

Quoting TR1 (Reply 39):
Correct me if I'm wrong but I recall reading somewhere that Air France lost a 707 on Guadelope in 1967 while on its first revenue service after delivery.

F-BRCJ (c/n 19724) was written off after a CFIT on March 6th, 1968, just south of Pointe-a-Pitre, around six weeks after delivery to Air France.

Was that the one you were thinking of?


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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:41 pm

Didn't the very first F-14 built crash on it's very first flight? The one in the video where the F-14 is on final approach then just noses over into the ground as the pilots eject. I coule be wrong with this but for some reason I remember hearing that that video was the first flight.
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 41):
Didn't the very first F-14 built crash on it's very first flight? The one in the video where the F-14 is on final approach then just noses over into the ground as the pilots eject. I coule be wrong with this but for some reason I remember hearing that that video was the first flight.

One of the first F22s also had a crash during flight testing, more of a pancake actually (oscillation got out of hand, smack!), but the plane was repaired to continue the flight testing.

Another one, if I recall, later in the test procedures did actually crash destroying the airplane.

What other aircraft have had incidents during the testing phase?

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:10 am

Just read a story about one of Swissairs DC-6's (?) crashing on delivery flight back in the 50's. I think it said somewhere in Wisconsin.
 
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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Titch (Reply 40):
F-BRCJ (c/n 19724) was written off after a CFIT on March 6th, 1968, just south of Pointe-a-Pitre, around six weeks after delivery to Air France.

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RE: Youngest Crashed Aircraft

Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 8):
February 3, 1959 after takeoff from MCW with Buddy Holly, and the Big Bopper.

The AA Electra,N6101, went into Flushing Bay................the same night.
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