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Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:37 pm

Wow! Those look realllllly reallllly nice. I can't wait to have the A380 experience. I especially like the second picture from the top, it looks refreshing, comfortable, very zen-like. Does anyone know what sort of cabin configuration/layout each customer wanted? Or is everything pretty much standard.
 
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:13 pm

While those are beautiful pictures, I highly doubt that they will ever be used in service except maybe for a VIP plane. In reality, airlines aren't going to waste that much space. Afterall you are only on the plane for 12-14 hours at a time. Those seats are great and comfortable, but they take up too much space. They are overkill. An airline would have to charge way too much money in order to get a profit by offering those seats. First class fares are typically over $10,000 on long haul routes anyway, so first class is beyond the capabilities of all but a few wealthy people or important business travelers.

I would say that what this article shows as business class is a better representation of the first class that the few that can afford to pay it will experience.

Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 1):
Does anyone know what sort of cabin configuration/layout each customer wanted? Or is everything pretty much standard.

Things are not standardized at all. Each airline has its own seats that it uses. These are installed in a configuration that best suits the airline. There will be some airlines operating A380s without first class at all.
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:26 pm

I totally agree with RoseFlyer for what regards the Super First Class pictures.

It is clearly an attractive design that has been done for advertisement purposes in the mock-up center in Toulouse but I doubt any airline will choose such configuration for FC cabin - too much wasted space.

What I imagine instead is that the area with the sofa could be used by another couple at least of "minisuites" and that the lounge area could be redefined in one of the corners along maybe with a small bar and a smaller sofa.

The way it is presented, looks more like a quasi-VIP configuration.

Stylistically speaking, I like the clean modern lines - I maybe have some little doubts about the wide glossy black surfaces and the low level of contrast between colours inside the "minisuite".

Still very nice work!

About the Business Class, go and check Koreanair First Class cabin and you might find interesting similarities between those seats, just Koreanair uses a soft pastel green.
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Premium First-class Seat ("Kosmo Sleeper seat")

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Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:35 pm

“This concept is designed to be able to be put into production,” says A380 senior marketing analyst Corrin Higgs, who does not rule out the possibility that something similar could be seen on the A380s of one of the early customers, which include Singapore Airlines, Emirates and Qantas.

My question is whether the "seat count" remains in the 475 pax-range (discussed by SQ & QF) with this type of cabin?
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Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:56 pm

My feeling is, and I underline, my own feeling, that if you use such Super First Class along with the presented BC you would hardly reach the 475 pax-range, unless of course you squeeze people like sardines in economy.

I am sure somebody will have a very critical reaction to my statement and that will be more then welcome especially if supported by some data so that we can all understand a bit better.

My only memory of the A380 is the one of previous mock up I saw a couple of times in Toulouse but that was way more conventional then this new one.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:14 am

Airbus officials say the new mock-up has been built using commercially available parts to more closely reflect the creature comforts being introduced to the plane by airline customers.

Exact details of the airline plans are still under wraps and sensitivities are such that Airbus does not permit photographs in the cabin simulation. And anyone who has seen the real thing is subject to confidentiality agreements. It's fair to say, however, that the A380 is likely to take on-board facilities to a new level.


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,19407449-23349,00.html

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 4):
My question is whether the "seat count" remains in the 475 pax-range (discussed by SQ & QF) with this type of cabin?

Depends on the mix. Very small number of premium seats and/or a 11 abreast full economy maindeck at 32 inch, no hang-outs etc. helps.

My estimate is that when an airline put in a market standard 3 class specification like

- 16 First seats (~80 inch, everybody an aisle seat),
- 80 Business class seats (~60 inch, no middle seats)
- wide 8 & 10 abreast economy seats,
- no bars, lounges, shops etc.

the total seatcount for a A380-800 would be around 510-520.

A 747-400 would seat 350-360 with the same specs (but narrower 10 abreast ec. seats) / class mix, 747-8 about 10% more.

I would be surprised if EK really goes extreme: unparralled luxury at the upper floor & un-matched mass transport at the main deck.. a bit like the Dubai society.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:29 am

The sliding doors remind me of EK's suties on the A340-500.

The layout pics definitely look like something Branson and Virgin would try to do.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:36 am

It looks great! Only I completely agree with RoseFlyer. Have to see the 'real first/business classes' with my own eyes before believing it.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:40 am

Maybe we will have some airlines having a super first class, but I think it would be one or two only.

It does make me think though! Often when flying a leg from LHR to SIN passengers board our First cabin and don’t think it’s that good and I am talking space! I guess these passengers have so much money they are a ‘super’ class of their own!?

Now if anyone did have those seats etc, you can only start to think how many people would join the mile high club!

Super fun! Lol

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:45 am

Airline Addict - it is correct those doors are similar to those of A345 but:

1. the walls are much higher which implies a proper ventilation in the cabin is more difficult or, at least, needs some serious adaptation compared to an open cabin configuration;

2. the fact that the walls are so high has its own implications also on decompression and you might imagine that, in the production version, the doors or the lower parts of the walls might need some kind of grid or anyway nice looking and well integrated opening to allow air to flow through also at the bottom of the walls and not only at the top;

3. the doors in EK 345 are two (if I am correct about 14" or 16" each) which is a plus for safety. Imagine the mechanism of one of the two doors gets blocked, you can still in most cases get out of the mini-suite through half opening. In the case of the new mock up we have apparently one big door which must surely have some emergency feature in case the mechanism gets blocked and the passenger needs to escape (also, considering the wall size, he surely would not climb them).

Another point I am interested in is: is the black surface actually a semi- transparent one or not?
For safety, attendants should be able to check on the passenger during flight - can you imagine what somebody with bad intentions and total privacy could do in a 12 hrs flight? But I am sure they have thought of a solution and maybe there will be video-cameras installed. In EK A345 , correct me if I am wrong, it is still possible for an attendant to have a look inside the mini-suite from above the walls since they are considerably lower.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:51 am

I also tend to think this is one of those "neat in theory, but not in practice" ideas like the 748's "Sky Suites". However, EK might want them for their current ZRH-DXB A345 service. Can ZRH handle an A380?  Wink
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:52 am

CSMUK,
considering your experience with pax, do you think some of them could feel a bit claustrophobic in such space and with higher walls then EK mini-suites?

I am sure that the designers have thought about it and I am curious how did they try to make the space feel more relaxing even when the door is closed.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:53 am

Very impressive indeed. But at what cost to the customer? For whatever they would charge, you could probably call up Netjets and rent your own airplane. Who would want the hassle of going through the airport with 500 other pax to ride that thing? A technological marvel none the less, and much respect to Airbus, but I think and the numbers (of orders) seem to indicate that Boeing was more "on" with their predictions of fragmentation and better fuel efficiency.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:59 am

TinPusher,

Yes yours is a good point. Maybe the airline will have to add something to the experience like for instance a Maybach picking you up and bringing you to the terminal just in time for TO without you even having to look at those other 500 pax boarding at the same time (yeah I know it sounds a bit complex)...
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 10):
Imagine the mechanism of one of the two doors gets blocked, you can still in most cases get out of the mini-suite through half opening.

I was wondering about that too. Is it possible that the suites are not used for take-off and landing, but rather only opened up after critical phases of flight? (Like the Upper Deck concept for the 747-8 suites)
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:07 am

Mark,
If the doors are locked in open position I do not think that it is a problem for TO if a pax is sitting inside the mini-suite, provided that cute sofa has passed certification.
What I would only imagine is that there must have been a study confirming that attendants were able to check on the pax during TO as, if I am correct, there is a specific rule for certification saying that a certain percentage of pax must be visible during TOL - maybe somebody more expert in this field will be able to confirm or explain about this.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:31 am

WWOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH  Smile Just like AA new Biz Class seats Big grin
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:26 am

All i could say is WOW. I wonder how much it would cost to fly in one of those seats. Simply amazing. Honestly, i cant see any airline with these seats.

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:33 am

Quote:
The suites have a sliding doors and are large enough to accommodate several people

So if you buy one seat, could you invite some friends from econ up?  Wink

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 7):
The layout pics definitely look like something Branson and Virgin would try to do.

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Looking at the 2nd pic, this reminds me of his double bed.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:40 am

Holy crap that is nice.

I still plan on booking a holiday for the sole enjoyment of riding the A380 on longhaul.

Suggestions?

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:08 am

Yes, very nice indeed. My guess is that SQ/QF/VS will offer something similar to the suites in the front part of the upper deck with the rest of the deck Business Class. Economy, except for the front cabin, will rule the lower deck and be pretty jammed.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 13):
Very impressive indeed. But at what cost to the customer? For whatever they would charge, you could probably call up Netjets and rent your own airplane.

That was my thought, too. The "super-mega-high-yield" passengers that the airlines would want (or need) to attract to justify this type of product are probably taking Gulfstreams and Falcons which offer similar luxury as well as the totally personalized timetables and freedom from the rush of the "unwashed masses" in crowded airports that even the mighty A380 can't offer.

I can't afford either option...but if given a choice between a luxury suite in an A380 or my own G-V that lands at my local municipal airfield, I'm taking the G. Remember that most super-rich VIPs are not airplane geeks like we are!

But imagine the fisticuffs between frequent flyers all trying to bum free upgrades to those seats  Smile
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:27 am

I remember when the 747 first came out in 1970, for most airlines, the upper deck was a lounge for the first class passengers. But it was only a matter of time before airlines realized that the lounge was a non-revenue gimmick and replaced it with revenue earning seats. This will probably apply to the A-380 as well.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:30 am

No wonder the A380 is delayed over and over again, if airlines want to make the aircraft into a boutique hotel, damn straight it will be weight restricted and have technical problems with all that stuff onboard... and for what? So that some snobs can eat caviar for 16 hours just to flaunt their wealth?

Who the hell wants to eat something that a fish deposits on a river bed anyway? I take an LCC instead, thanx  

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:39 am

Why don't they just give economy passengers a little bit more legroom and save the money that goes into this kind of nonsense for other projects?

I understand the need for diffferent 'classes' of 'service', but the type of poeple who are being targetted for these extremely pricey looking sofa rides have so many other options available to them, that it is rather wasteful to focus so much on this very limited sphere of the market. Of course, airlines will say otherwise. I understand it generates huge profits, but I still think better facilities could be offered to more of the flying public - even just an inch of legroom would be nice.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:05 pm

more of those customizations that airbus is complaining about which are causing delays...  Wink
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:11 pm

I like the look in those photographs. I would imagine that in 200 years, a spaceliner might have cabins and common areas that look a bit like those.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:21 pm

I work in the private jet industry and that layout looks like something you might see on a BBJ or other VIP jet that would cost over a $100,000 to charter for a one way trip across america. Looks damn nice though...
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:24 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
I also tend to think this is one of those "neat in theory, but not in practice"

I think they are neat in practice! I'd fly in one, if I had the money and was on that route.

As for wasted space, the AA flagship suite provides a great amount of space and still fits 4 across on the 777. If it was pumped up with better materials like wood and fine leather, it's totally practical.

In a configuration as Keesje describes, 510 would be tough, but might be doable depending on what went where. But 500 would be more than feasible. I think airlines like SQ will only have 475 because of a higher premium ratio and Y+ seats as well. On the 748, you'd fit between 390 and 400 in a similar config but with the 17.3" Y seats and middle J seats on the main deck (unless they are VS or NZ style J seats, which are very space efficient and are all aisles).
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RE: Pics Of A380 Super First Class Suites

Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:26 pm

Did anyone see the video of the A380 in VIP layout??

that looks really awesome!!
 
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RE: Pics Of A380 Super First Class Suites

Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:31 pm

Well, As the old saying goes, it come down to money. A 747 can have a interior just like that. Only when it come down to money, all of that will go.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:43 pm

Quoting Ryfly777 (Reply 32):
Well, As the old saying goes, it come down to money. A 747 can have a interior just like that. Only when it come down to money, all of that will go.

exactly. you could make the interior of a 747-100 stowed away in the desert look like that if you wanted to.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:13 pm

Quoting KRIC777 (Reply 23):
That was my thought, too. The "super-mega-high-yield" passengers that the airlines would want (or need) to attract to justify this type of product are probably taking Gulfstreams and Falcons which offer similar luxury as well as the totally personalized timetables and freedom from the rush of the "unwashed masses" in crowded airports that even the mighty A380 can't offer.

This is a valid point, but what if the A380 First also has a Michelin star and a legendary wine cellar? Add to that a lower noise level, less bumpy ride and more FAs tending to you and the bigger plane can look pretty compelling.
 
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RE: Pics Of A380 Super First Class Suites

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:45 pm

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 13):
Very impressive indeed. But at what cost to the customer? For whatever they would charge, you could probably call up Netjets and rent your own airplane.

Probably not:

Quoting Darrenthe747 (Reply 29):
I work in the private jet industry and that layout looks like something you might see on a BBJ or other VIP jet that would cost over a $100,000 to charter for a one way trip across america. Looks damn nice though...



Quoting Ikarus2006 (Reply 14):
Yes yours is a good point. Maybe the airline will have to add something to the experience like for instance a Maybach picking you up and bringing you to the terminal just in time for TO without you even having to look at those other 500 pax boarding at the same time (yeah I know it sounds a bit complex)...

This is what Lufthansa offers to First Class passengers anyway - they only use "cheap" Porsche and Mercedes cars instead of Maybachs.

Quoting Propulsion (Reply 26):
Why don't they just give economy passengers a little bit more legroom and save the money that goes into this kind of nonsense for other projects?

Probably because eco passengers prefer lower fare to legroom. This "kind of nonsene" can be a way to keep eco fares lower by generating more revenues in first.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:48 pm

Will these be located near the Casino, ski jump, Olympic swimming pool, ice skating rink and the shopping mall?

We all saw the identical, ridiculous, plans for the first 747s.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 36):

We all saw the identical, ridiculous, plans for the first 747s.

This is so old... those plans were, by modern standards, crap. The amount of personal space in First has in fact been increasing over the past decade or so, so it isn't impossible at all that something like this would be implemented. After all, those aren't that much larger than Emirates' A355 First cabins, and then there's a small lounge with 2 sofas. There are 6 revenue-generating cabins in that space in addition to that lounge.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:43 pm

To all the people who know it all about what an airline will put inside an aircraft, they'd better think twice.

When you look at the new A340-600 for QTR, there is even a dedicated lounge space for F/C with seats, bar, etc and it's taking a fair amount of space, and it's located between the F/C and B/C zones...
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:08 pm

Knoxibus,

I think we all agree that something out of the norm is possible on the A380 and surely some airline will surprise us all but I also believe that at the base of many comments here there is a question: will these wonderful designs be sustainable and really beneficial for the airline in the long run?

Most likely only time will tell...
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:16 pm

I admit I did not read ALL the posts (which is a rule normally for me sorry, pretty busy right now  ) but I just read the one below and could not let that set a standard on this post, hence my reply which at least is factual.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
I highly doubt that they will ever be used in service except maybe for a VIP plane.

I also agree with you Ikarus, especially on the fact that you admit that these kind of items will be installed, but maybe not in the long run, although I think we might have a few surprises.

Edit: typo

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:20 pm

Great pics, but...

Looks rather like a hospital to me....all that white plastic and orthapedic like beds etc. I half expect to see some doctors strolling up and down the ailse's with clipboards in hand.

I know this particular concept will never come into fruition, but i personally like my flying experience to envolve being in a cabin with other pax. I would personally take business class over first class. I know its strange, just my preference.

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:26 pm

Knoxibus,

Here is the sad part... assumed that those designs will be mounted, I doubt that the price tag will be affordable for me.

Has anyone a solid experience in FC travel?

Which one is considered to be the most expensive at present? EK, SQ, JAL Virgin or someone else?
I only remember somebody in my office (the poor thing) once had to fly Dubai to Australia to try out the competition, and it was quite a bill...
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:30 pm

Hantsflyer27,

I understand your concern. I admit that whenever we try to increase the level of privacy, we risk to segregate passengers into boxes unless we use very smart solutions allowing flexibility in configuration. This is anyway not easy.

I also quite like having the chance to interact if I want to with other passengers.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting Propulsion (Reply 26):
Why don't they just give economy passengers a little bit more legroom and save the money that goes into this kind of nonsense for other projects?

If people are willing to pay for it, ufortunately they're not!
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting ANstar (Reply 44):
If people are willing to pay for it, ufortunately they're not!

Just ask SA)">AA. They aren't even willing to pay the SAME amount for greater space by choosing SA)">AA first all else being equal. After all, if they were, SA)">AA's loads would have been 100% every day and MRTC would have remained on their product.

Pax aren't educated enough about the product they are buying to know the difference, even when price isn't a factor...
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RE: Pics Of A380 Super First Class Suites

Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting KRIC777 (Reply 23):
That was my thought, too. The "super-mega-high-yield" passengers that the airlines would want (or need) to attract to justify this type of product are probably taking Gulfstreams and Falcons which offer similar luxury as well as the totally personalized timetables and freedom from the rush of the "unwashed masses" in crowded airports that even the mighty A380 can't offer.

Well you are partially right. For a corporation or a family of over 4 people, such aircraft make sense. However, many people (including Billionaires such as Carl Icahn, and Warren Buffett) will not use their private aircraft for even ultra-long range trips. They see such an expenditure as a waste. The organization where I work had a G500, however the standard rule is that the CEO himself cannot use it unless two other people are present. Otherwise he goes BA, CX, LY First like the rest of senior managment. In addition, although the G500 is roomy (I have traveled in it) they are dreadfully uncomftorable for 17 hour journeys to begin with. Some execs here wont go travel in them because they prefer to get up and walk around. A twin aisle jumbo provides a good deal of "stretch out" room, however a single aisle G500 with people sleeping, bags on the floor and FA's serving meals actually gets rather cramped--even with 4 pax.

Also, our CEO returned from SIN the other day and said he "really liked the seats in their first class! Can we get them?" For now, when we want to make our seats a bed, it is a whole chirade. The seat in front of you has to be lowered, the FA joins them together, and a mattress is put on them. If the seat is a sofa, the pillows are taken off, a mattress is put on, or the seat flipd over and a bed is made. While this sounds easy, in a fully loaded plane it isn't. In fact, often the seats are left slightly reclined because it is too much hassle. G500/550's so NOT have electronic adjestable seats. Check on the Gulfstream website. It isn't an option... Although we DO have connexion!

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