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Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:46 pm

Rather interesting article...I've heard of pilots reading while flying but taking a nap?! Wonder how this will turn out.

From: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/727356.html

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The Israel Airports Authority (IAA) at the Transportation Ministry looked into allegations that Arkia pilots fell asleep on the job, Haaretz discovered on Wednesday.

Both the IAA and the airline ultimately said the suspicions were baseless, but Arkia officials say the company's management is involved in a cover-up.

The suspicions concern two recent Arkia flights to Europe. During both flights, staff reported pilots sleeping at the helm of the Boeing 757 planes.

In the first incident, a flight attendant reportedly attempted to reach the cockpit through an internal radio. When no pilots responded, he entered the cockpit and found them asleep.

In the second incident, which occurred some two weeks ago, the pilots were reportedly discovered sleeping by another flight attendant.

Arkia sources, who requested anonymity, told Haaretz, "A cover-up exists at the company regarding these two incidents." They said that those involved or know the details did not formally complain out of fear of the response of Arkia's new management.

"Many people in the company know about these severe security incidents, but are scared to speak up," the sources said.

The sources also said that since the airline's ownership switched hands, pressure has gone up on employees to work as many flights as possible. They say that pilots are overworking themselves, affecting their ability to function.

Arkia said in response to the suspicions, "These rumors have reached the ears of Arkia's management and the Israel Airports Authority. Arkia has carried out an in-depth examination including all of those allegedly involved as well as those who spread the rumors, and we have found that the rumors are baseless and never happened."

According to the company, "Arkia pilots are professional, responsible and accountable, characteristics of Israeli pilots in general."

A senior public relations official at the Transportation Ministry confirmed the airline's stance, saying, "An examination we carried out with Arkia reveals that these incidents never took place."
 
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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:06 am

Doesn't Airliners.net have some member supposedly affiliated with the ownership of Arkia? (The thread was a few months old.. at least)
Would be interesting to see their response. Was Arkia the airline that had the management trying to cover up the JFK incident, or was that another Israeli carrier?
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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:32 pm

I am not sure about the JFK incident, what occured?
I never flew with Arkia, I was going to, but I flew Israir instead. After my Israir experience I was going to say I'll fly Arkia next time, but I guess I'll just still with LY for domestic israel flights...
 
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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
Was Arkia the airline that had the management trying to cover up the JFK incident, or was that another Israeli carrier?

That was Israir. As far as I know, Arkia has never flown to JFK.

As far as pilots sleeping in flight, I don't have a problem with it, with one condition: that one of them be awake at all times. Let's face it, cruise is dull, and if one of the pilots needs to take a catnap so that they'll be fully awake for the approach, fine by me. Just as long as someone is awake up there.

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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:18 pm

It could be argued that it would be unprofessional of them to try to stay awake during final approach at dawn after an all nighter without taking a nap during cruise.

Those who think pilots shouldn't nap during cruise: have you ever flown the schedule that airline pilots fly? Naps are good because they make the flight safer.
 
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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 1):
Doesn't Airliners.net have some member supposedly affiliated with the ownership of Arkia? (The thread was a few months old.. at least)
Would be interesting to see their response. Was Arkia the airline that had the management trying to cover up the JFK incident, or was that another Israeli carrier?
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Quoting CaptainJon (Thread starter):
A senior public relations official at the Transportation Ministry confirmed the airline's stance, saying, "An examination we carried out with Arkia reveals that these incidents never took place."

If you read this, you can obviously see that it never happened. the aviation sector in Israel is very cutthroat, and some airlines use nasty tactics to incriminate, or discredit other airlines. This is obviously a clear case of that
 
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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:42 pm

There's nothing the matter with a "battle nap" at cruise to keep you functioning well. But not both of you at the same time! That's a key point.
 
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RE: Allegations Of Arkia Pilots Sleeping On The Job

Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:53 pm

Isn't One Taking a Nap while other Monitors common.Its only when the Monitoring guy gets bored & sleeps off it matters.
Certain Aircraft have Built in Devices that sense Control actuation withen a certain time period or else sounds an alarm if no control has been touched.
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