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Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:36 am

Here is an extract from the media release on the Air NZ website. Here is the link:

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/mediacentre/pressreleases/default.htm

Air New Zealand is to increase the number of Pacific Premium Economy seats available to customers flying internationally on the airline's B747 aircraft.

The airline's fleet of eight B747 aircraft will be reconfigured to replace 15 standard Economy seats located at the front of the main cabin with eight Premium Economy seats. Work is scheduled for completion by end of October.

Group General Manager International Airline, Ed Sims said the move to increase the numbers of these larger seats on the aircraft was in response to positive customer feedback and strong demand.

"We introduced the Pacific Premium Economy seating class in our upgraded B747 aircraft for those of our customers who seek the additional comfort and space but who do not look to purchase a Business Premier seat," said Mr Sims.

"This new seating option provided at a very competitive price, has proven extremely popular with our leisure customers flying long haul routes such as to Los Angeles, San Francisco and London, and there are strong forward bookings for this seat class. Allowing for seasonality, we have seen an average of 80% loadings in this cabin class with up to 95% during peak travel periods.

Our customers are telling us that the extra width and legroom are 'excellent' and the new seating arrangement within a small cabin environment is 'very comfortable', with many stating they would certainly use it again. Comparisons have even been made with our former business class, with one customer saying that 'the new Premium Economy is fantastic, almost as good as old Business Class."

The Premium Economy seats will be installed progressively in the eight 747 aircraft, with work commencing mid - August and completed by end of October.

Currently 23 Premium Economy seats are located in the upstairs cabin of the B747 so the additional seats in the main cabin will provide a total of 31 in this class offered on the aircraft.

Air New Zealand's new B777 aircraft have 18 Premium Economy seats available.

Premium Economy features Standard Economy features
39-40 inch seat pitch 34 inch seat pitch
18.5 inch seat width 17 inch seat width
9 inch seat recline 6 inch seat recline

Customers seated in Premium Economy share the same facilities as those in Business Premier and receive the same premium in-flight beverage service.


I expect this to be increased even further over the next 12 months.

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:10 am

Good news... thanks for the post NZ1

yeah I agree about it being increased more... Seems a bit of a waste to just have 1 row down stairs. 2 rows would be more efficient use of space... how much extra pressure will this put on the lavs though?
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:16 am

I hadn't seen the stats on the seat before.

The pitch is excellent and seat is as wide as BA's WT+ seat, yet they still manage to fit 10 abreast on the 744?
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:24 am

any chance the T7's will get an extra row?
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Good news... thanks for the post NZ1

yeah I agree about it being increased more... Seems a bit of a waste to just have 1 row down stairs. 2 rows would be more efficient use of space... how much extra pressure will this put on the lavs though?

Yeah it is good news. I was wondering how often does NZ fly their 744 and 772ER across the Tasman??. I've been trying to look for some P.E fares for winter and summer but can't find any. Do they even fly these A/C across the Tasman??
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
Yeah it is good news. I was wondering how often does NZ fly their 744 and 772ER across the Tasman??. I've been trying to look for some P.E fares for winter and summer but can't find any. Do they even fly these A/C across the Tasman??

Yes NZ5 flies LAX-AKL-MEL and then returns as NZ6.
NZ137/138 is often a 744 or 772ER
they don't really fly to SYD much however... I think maybe NZ101/102 AKl-SYD is a 772ER often.
AKL-CNS sometimes gets a 744 also.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Yes NZ5 flies LAX-AKL-MEL and then returns as NZ6.
NZ137/138 is often a 744 or 772ER
they don't really fly to SYD much however... I think maybe NZ101/102 AKl-SYD is a 772ER often.
AKL-CNS sometimes gets a 744 also.

Thanks for that Zkpilot. Do they ever fly these A/C domestically in NewZealand along with the 763?
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 6):

Thanks for that Zkpilot. Do they ever fly these A/C domestically in NewZealand along with the 763?

When the CHC-LAX service operates they often reposition 744 from AKL-CHC and back... I think it operates as a domestic flight although the pax have to go through intl arrivals at AKL.
Hopefully this flight will soon operate with a 772ER year round 3x weekly rather than just seasonal flights.
There are flights that come down from Japan that go to CHC first then fly domestically back up to AKL although I think they are normally 763ER services, possibly 744 at times.
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 7):
When the CHC-LAX service operates they often reposition 744 from AKL-CHC and back... I think it operates as a domestic flight although the pax have to go through intl arrivals at AKL.
Hopefully this flight will soon operate with a 772ER year round 3x weekly rather than just seasonal flights.
There are flights that come down from Japan that go to CHC first then fly domestically back up to AKL although I think they are normally 763ER services, possibly 744 at times

Thanks for that once again. Its good to see NZ moving forward and always improving their service and product.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Good news... thanks for the post NZ1

yeah I agree about it being increased more... Seems a bit of a waste to just have 1 row down stairs. 2 rows would be more efficient use of space... how much extra pressure will this put on the lavs though?

My guess is that they would replace 5 rows of the blocks of three seats on one side of the aircraft (row 31-35) with 4 rows of two seats.

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:04 pm

NZ flies 763's and 772's domestically within NZ between CHC and AKL one way only as it is an extension of the KIX/NRT-CHC flights. There used to be a 744 that flew the route but I think that stopped in March. Bummer.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:01 pm

NZ1, any news on the 9th 744? Surely it must be getting close now to give it time for an overhaul, paint, refit in time for EIS for the 2nd daily LHR flight?
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:37 pm

This just shows the folly of having reconfigured the upper deck of the 747s as half Business Premier and half Premium Economy.

It would be too expensive and time-consuming to do now, but the entire upper deck should be Premium Economy, with a much expanded Business Premier section downstairs.

We have seen that BP and PE demand is outstripping supply: there are too many economy seats on the 747 and 777 aircraft.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:26 am

Great news - as I tried to book PE LHR-LAX a week ago and there were no free seats until OCT 2006 !!

Now thats market demand for you.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
It would be too expensive and time-consuming to do now, but the entire upper deck should be Premium Economy, with a much expanded Business Premier section downstairs

Mildly agree but having Business PAX next to galleys tends to be unpopular.

VS have similar config as what Air NZ is moving to. The upper deck PE is ALWAYS full - where the downstairs next to the Galley is often empty.

I've even volunteered to move downstairs as VS had no one sitting next to the Emergency Exits!!
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting NZ1 (Thread starter):
Premium Economy features Standard Economy features
39-40 inch seat pitch 34 inch seat pitch
18.5 inch seat width 17 inch seat width
9 inch seat recline 6 inch seat recline

Interesting that SeatGuru shows the economy and premium economy seats as both being 17.8" wide instead of 18.5".

I wonder what the correct answer is?
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 11):
NZ1, any news on the 9th 744? Surely it must be getting close now to give it time for an overhaul, paint, refit in time for EIS for the 2nd daily LHR flight?

Thats still being discussed. There may not be a need for it, if scheduling can rejig the 772 and A320's around a little bit, which of course is a huge cost saving.

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Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
This just shows the folly of having reconfigured the upper deck of the 747s as half Business Premier and half Premium Economy.

It would be too expensive and time-consuming to do now, but the entire upper deck should be Premium Economy, with a much expanded Business Premier section downstairs.

yes and no... I think the regulations (CAA/FAA) dictate the number of seats in that upper deck with only the 2 doors... by converting to all Y+ it would mean there would be too many pax upstairs from memory...
also currently there are a few complaints from some elderly and disabled pax feeling discriminated against because they can't make it upstairs and there is currently no Y+ seating downstairs...
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:37 pm

Really is kinda like the old First, Business and Economy... but structured differently.
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:19 am

This is good news. When I was on NZ2 on June 1st, I was told Premium Economy was booked out.
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Are NZ still looking to upgrade their 767 fleet? Any expected timeframes for that?
 
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Quoting RupesNZ (Reply 19):
Are NZ still looking to upgrade their 767 fleet? Any expected timeframes for that?

It's already completed, infact its in that same press release as quoted by NZ1 in the original thread.
 
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 20):
Quoting RupesNZ (Reply 19):
Are NZ still looking to upgrade their 767 fleet? Any expected timeframes for that?


It's already completed, infact its in that same press release as quoted by NZ1 in the original thread.

yes apart from some of the leased ones.
It is not a full upgrade... partial IFE upgrade but not individual seat IFE.
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:33 pm

To clarify, the FIRST PHASE of the 763 refit has been completed. That is, new seat covers, carpets, and soft furnishings (ie curtains).


The SECOND PHASE is to enhance the existing IFE by adding more dropdown screens to make it easier to see. This is scheduled for later this year/early next year, as it takes longer than the 24-48 hours per aircraft the first phase took.

I've worked a couple of sectors on the refit 763 and it looks pretty nice.
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:54 pm

Thats great news!
My dad has flown the PE on the 777, and its not as nice as the 747 and its a pretty small cabin, he wasn't to impresssed with it on the 777, but my mum said it was fine on the 747... there is a difference in the products.
So yes I think that its a great idea to add some to the 747, but I also think that 777 could use a few more rows, and space them out just a little more!

I hope Qantas does this for their 2 class 747, I think that it is a great idea, although I do like having it exclusivly business up stairs on Qantas... and if you put the PE down stairs older fork could get to it with out as much problems. but ohh well you can't have everything in this world!
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Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 23):
Thats great news!
My dad has flown the PE on the 777, and its not as nice as the 747 and its a pretty small cabin, he wasn't to impresssed with it on the 777, but my mum said it was fine on the 747... there is a difference in the products.
So yes I think that its a great idea to add some to the 747, but I also think that 777 could use a few more rows, and space them out just a little more!

From what I understand the PE on 777's are identical seats to Y, just more legroom?
 
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 24):
From what I understand the PE on 777's are identical seats to Y, just more legroom?

no they have more recline, more pitch and have full leg and footrests as well as business premier wine and drinks list  Wink
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:38 pm

The Premium Economy seats are different seats altogether from the normal economy, on both the 772 and 744 fleets.

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on the 772 there are only 2 rows, there should be more if you ask me, but seat pitch is :
Pacific Premium Economy
39" (99cm)
Pacific Economy
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Configuration:
Pacific Premium Economy
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Pacific Economy
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interestingly enought there was an article on the news tonight with what could be the new colour scheme,
the tail didnt do much for me but the new "wave" to replace the pacific wave looks good, thats if that is the new one
 
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Quoting ZKNSJ (Reply 28):
interestingly enought there was an article on the news tonight with what could be the new colour scheme,
the tail didnt do much for me but the new "wave" to replace the pacific wave looks good, thats if that is the new one

I only saw the very end of that clip.... anyone record it at all that would like to put it up on youtube?
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Quoting VHVXB (Reply 4):
Yeah it is good news. I was wondering how often does NZ fly their 744 and 772ER across the Tasman??. I've been trying to look for some P.E fares for winter and summer but can't find any. Do they even fly these A/C across the Tasman??



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Yes NZ5 flies LAX-AKL-MEL and then returns as NZ6.

But not for long.
If the competition consumer approves the Tasman Ntworks Agreement, NZ will withdraw its B744 service from MEL, and replace it with a B763 terminator.

Details can be found on NZ's website..
 
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 29):
I only saw the very end of that clip.... anyone record it at all that would like to put it up on youtube?

you have a link to the video via this page

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411365/753494
 
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 30):
But not for long.
If the competition consumer approves the Tasman Ntworks Agreement, NZ will withdraw its B744 service from MEL, and replace it with a B763 terminator

Better book quickly. from what i have read and the pics i've seen the new interior looks very good. I hope to sample their product very soon.
 
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Has NBS finished its upgrade yet? When is SUH due to go in and be completed by?

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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 15):
if scheduling can rejig the 772 and A320's around a little bit,

How is it envisaged that a 777 could help except to be substituted on the daily 747 return flight AKL-MEL or AKL-BNE. ?
 
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 34):
How is it envisaged that a 777 could help except to be substituted on the daily 747 return flight AKL-MEL or AKL-BNE. ?

I reckon A320's/772's will replace the AKL-MEL/BNE flying. NZ also seem to have a few 744's on the ground in AKL during the day, so perhaps better utilisation and the reduction in AUS flying might make up that difference? didn't they also drop the CHC-LAX flight? Given the refit must also be nearing completion on thew 744 fleet, this should also free up some metal?
Or we might see a 772 take over one of the LAX runs, given that more LHR bound traffic might be heading via HKG??
 
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 35):
Or we might see a 772 take over one of the LAX runs


I agree that a 777 could be used as a substitute for a 747 on NZ5/6 if need be.
Not sure how they could turn it around in LAX without a spare flight crew either in LAX or in SFO.
 
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Quoting NZ747 (Reply 33):
Has NBS finished its upgrade yet? When is SUH due to go in and be completed by?

NBS should be finished in about a weeks time, while SUH will enter the hangar straight after NBS and take around 6 weeks to upgrade.

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 36):
Not sure how they could turn it around in LAX without a spare flight crew either in LAX or in SFO.

Spare crew could be paxed to LAX/SFO. Happens quite often for flights that operate through the islands

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Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:06 pm

It's bizarre to suggest that 747s will stop flying Trans-Tasman.

Firstly, for high yield pax, they offer the only true Business Class Air NZ Trans-Tasman flights: A320s have neither AVOD nor decent recline.

Secondly, what do you think the 747s will do after they arrive at AKL from LAX at 6 each morning, and don't depart back to LAX and LHR until the evening?
 
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 38):
It's bizarre to suggest that 747s will stop flying Trans-Tasman.

Firstly, for high yield pax, they offer the only true Business Class Air NZ Trans-Tasman flights: A320s have neither AVOD nor decent recline.

Secondly, what do you think the 747s will do after they arrive at AKL from LAX at 6 each morning, and don't depart back to LAX and LHR until the evening?

Thats why 777 will fly it instead as they have "true Business Class".
With the rejig of the fleet due to the 2nd daily LHR service it is possible there may be some changes to other 744 flight times (NZ1/2 should stay the same but NZ5/6 could change as it won't be so important for taking pax up to LA who then switch flights).
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
I think the regulations (CAA/FAA) dictate the number of seats in that upper deck with only the 2 doors... by converting to all Y+ it would mean there would be too many pax upstairs

I don't believe additional Economy seats would get you over the limit since South African flies 747's with all economy on the upper deck to the UK and just changed from those planes to the US.
 
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Quoting 787KQ (Reply 40):
I don't believe additional Economy seats would get you over the limit since South African flies 747's with all economy on the upper deck to the UK and just changed from those planes to the US.

yeah I just had a thought about that... maybe its not the doors that are the problem but the number of F/A's on the upper deck.
Most airlines have 2 F/A's for the upper deck...if it was all Y+ or Y then you would need 3..which is a bit of a waste of a F/A...
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 35):
I reckon A320's/772's will replace the AKL-MEL/BNE flying



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 36):
I agree that a 777 could be used as a substitute for a 747 on NZ5/6 if need be.



Quoting Koruman (Reply 38):
It's bizarre to suggest that 747s will stop flying Trans-Tasman.

I agree, but it's there in black and white.
Under the Tasman Networks Agreement, NZ would cease operating its B744 to MEL..

http://www.airnz.com.au/aboutus/inve...ents/proposed_tasman_codeshare.htm

http://www.airnz.com.au/resources/tasman_mot_application_public.pdf

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on a little bit of a different subject... when is airNZ looking to retire there 747's ...because im definatly not looking forward 2 that day!! cuase if it were me i'd buy 8 more to replace them...why, because the 747 is and forever will be the queen o the skys.!.. ( in boeing's book anyways)oh ( and mine)  Smile
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Quoting Final47 (Reply 43):
i hate to hear that the 747 is becoming a old work horse

In the face of modern planes that are so much more economic, how else can it be? It happens to every plane. It may be lovely, but so was the DC-7C, the Britannia, and the DC-8. The B777's rule the sky now; soon it will be the B787 and A380. Once the latter two machines are mainstream, the B747 will struggle even more than it already is...
 
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 38):
It's bizarre to suggest that 747s will stop flying Trans-Tasman

Yes totally, lets not forget all the MEL based pax that are chosing to fly NZ over UA (lets say their loyal to SIA for asia and europe so they're krisflyers).... this is a popular flight for getting to the USA. They've got no intention of staying in New Zealand but still, this is a significant amount of business for NZ, and it will stay that way until United ups there game on this route.
 
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Quoting Final47 (Reply 43):
on a little bit of a different subject... when is airNZ looking to retire there 747's ...because im definatly not looking forward 2 that day!! cuase if it were me i'd buy 8 more to replace them...why, because the 747 is and forever will be the queen o the skys.!.. ( in boeing's book anyways)oh ( and mine)
i hate to hear that the 747 is becoming a old work horse... :C



Quoting Antskip (Reply 44):
In the face of modern planes that are so much more economic, how else can it be? It happens to every plane. It may be lovely, but so was the DC-7C, the Britannia, and the DC-8. The B777's rule the sky now; soon it will be the B787 and A380. Once the latter two machines are mainstream, the B747 will struggle even more than it already is...

NZ is looking to replace them from 2011 onwards... some of the 744 fleet are quite old (16 years from memory), whilst others are not so old (6 years), whatever the replacement is, by the time it has completed replaced the 744's it won't be until 2013 at the earliest.
NZ is VERY interested in the 748I (and I see that Boeing is now contemplating extending it more to be the same length as the 748F thus allowing an extra 24 or so pax which makes it even more appealing). The other option is the 773ER... Whilst this has good economics, it has downsides also. It will not kill the 748I for economics at all... and since NZ focuses quite heavily on the premium market, it does not offer the capacity for premium that the 748I does. If NZ were to replace the 744 with 773ER then it would be replacing the 8x744 with at least 12x773ER (increased frequency to compensate which causes problems when it comes to purchasing slots at LHR).

As for the whalejet, NZ has no intention of ordering the A380.
It is a) too big for NZ
b) not that great financially unless completely full
c) goes against NZ's point-point model (with a few key arterial routes served by 747)
d) it is a fugly aircraft!  duck 
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RE: NZ To Increase Premium Economy On 744 Fleet

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 46):
NZ is VERY interested in the 748I

I understand NZ not going for the A380, but very much hope they go ahead with the B747i! - it seems to be a very able beast - and far more suitable for NZ's premium routes than the A380. The A380 makes an awful lot of sense, though, for routes where slot-restrictions prevent the B747i or B777 being adequate (like for EK out of MEL and SYD).
 
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RE: NZ To Increase Premium Economy On 744 Fleet

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting Antskip (Reply 47):
I understand NZ not going for the A380, but very much hope they go ahead with the B747i! - it seems to be a very able beast - and far more suitable for NZ's premium routes than the A380. The A380 makes an awful lot of sense, though, for routes where slot-restrictions prevent the B747i or B777 being adequate (like for EK out of MEL and SYD).

I agree about the B748, there is something special about flying on these birds. Isn't the most profitable part of EK's network Australia? Guess it makes sense to give the Aussie's what will become the benchmark of traveling.

Just on a side note, what are the chances of the A380 coming to CHC ? Will EK continue the whale jet on from SYD?
 
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RE: NZ To Increase Premium Economy On 744 Fleet

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:14 pm

Quoting 1Des1 (Reply 48):
ust on a side note, what are the chances of the A380 coming to CHC ? Will EK continue the whale jet on from SYD?

EK New Zealand routes are add-ons to their highly profitable and much more central Australian routes. EK sends on to New Zealand the planes they fly to Australia (they don't keep a plane in Australia especially for the New Zealand section!) , so chances are strong that whatever plane EK used to Australia will also be the one they send on to a New Zealand route. If Australia does not allow EK more flights into Australia, then it is more likely that EK will use bigger jets -i.e. the A380. It will be interesting... Depends also on how profitable the CHC route is. They could send another A380 on to AKL instead, cutting out CHC altogether - if the planes are too big for going there, and if AKL market can be expanded. I think and hope the A380 will go on to CHC. It will be a big hit for the Chrischutch crowd!

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