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Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:49 pm

Here it is, Finnair's first "quattro", OH-LQA (cn 058, ex G-VFLY). Cabin modification, painting and crew training is taking place all at the same time to get the new bird ready for it's first service in AY colours on Monday 19th June. New seat covers for both J and Y are coming from UK, and they will be installed by July, when she begins her dedicated HEL-PVG-HEL service. The red Virgin arm-rests and other leather seat decorations will stay in J-cl, as will the IFE, with those tiny monitors in Y-cl. A big leap forward for AY in this 12 year old plane are the crew rest areas, with 2 pilot bunks behind the flight deck and 5 CA bunks in a container under mid-cabin floor. Finnair says that the plane is generally in good condition and well maintained. She will be flown by Finnair and Airbus pilots, until Finnair has enough of it's own A340 qualified crew to handle the rotations. Forward part of Y-cl has brand new seats, in place of VS premium eco cabin, with a huge legroom on row 21 (bulkhead) and a tight pitch at the back. But seats will be newly distributed when schedules permit, so that the pitch will be closer to that on Finnair's MD-11s'.
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:12 pm

Excellent Pictures OHLBU, thanks for sharing it.

Hopefully we will get to see the full color scheme soon. It's also good to see another A340 operator.

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Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:20 pm

That bright red would make me feel sick. I wonder how the VS pax can stand those colors. Needles to say; I have never flown Virgin.
 
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Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:42 pm

I think the mix of colours in the economy cabin particularly uphauling. How could someone pick such a combination?
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:50 pm

New seats in the forward Y cabin? What will they be like in comparison to the rest?
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:00 pm

Nice pics, needs a bit of a dust i think lol

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
She will be flown by Finnair and Airbus pilots, until Finnair has enough of it's own A340 qualified crew to handle the rotations.

It's always interesting to fly some time with another airlines and to get to know their routes, product, atmosphere.

Nice pictures BTW, The A340 will look beautifully in AY's colours, as in fact she does in EVERY company's colours.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:21 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 4):
New seats in the forward Y cabin?

The seats are the same design as in the rest of eco, just that they are newly-manufactured to replace the premium eco-seats which Finnair (sadly) does not need.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:49 am

Agree with Trekster.

The cockpit needs a good cleaning, dusty as hell and the economy class seats is awful IMO  yuck 

It´s gonna looke awesome with AYs c/s and take it out for a spin...

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:33 am

Holy Crap! I have never seen such small PTVs before. How can anybody see anything on those things??? I very ugly interior if you ask me, but once Finnair has added their own touch, I have full faith in them that they will impress me greatly. Thanks for sharing the pics and have some more to show when the colors are finally finished!  Smile
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:39 am

I experienced even smaller PTVs on a VS 747-200 back in 2000...

It was one of these:
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:39 am

You can see the PTV's because they are right infront of your nose VS Y config is nothing more than a charter flight in the disguise of a a scheduled carrier
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:00 am

Well, to play devil's advocate for a moment, aren't these some of the very oldest VS 343s? I think the cabin product on the 346 and newer/updated 744s is very different (V:port, etc.)
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting Canada Mike (Reply 12):
Well, to play devil's advocate for a moment, aren't these some of the very oldest VS 343s? I think the cabin product on the 346 and newer/updated 744s is very different (V:port, etc.)

Correct, the Finnair A343 has the old VS "Arcadia" IFE, this is now left on only one VS bird, G-VAEL, which is due to leave the VS fleet in a couple of months.

All the rest of VS's fleet have either Nova (@ LGW), or Odyssey (on 2 x LGW 747's, 1 x LHR 747 and the remaining 5 x A343's) or the excellent V:Port on the balance of the 747 fleet at LHR, and all of the A346's.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:20 pm

This has to be.... the ugliest damn plane I have ever seen. Great for Finnair and all but when I first looked at the pics.. i thought they were just unfinished interiors....do people have taste lol? I find Virgins colors classy and delicate , but this is like flying "Barney and Friends" episode or something .

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:25 pm

Very nice, very nice!

I thought already years ago Finnair should get A340s...  thumbsup 

...but damn those PTVs are small! Big grin LOL

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:42 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I experienced even smaller PTVs on a VS 747-200 back in 2000...

I remember coming back from the States on a 747-200 (VS) and the PTVs were like that. I can't understand why anyone bothered to watch them. You had to strain your eyes to see.  Sad

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:51 pm

Seriously guys.

I flew on G-VFLY from LHR to MIA on December 2003 and the PTV's were not that bad, at least is something and better than nothing.

As for the cabin colours, they did not make me feel sick at any moment, in fact I find it rather relaxed and welcoming and adds that "hip touch" Virgin is famous for, seat pitch was not that bad either the seats design makes it easy to slide your legs under the seat in front of you and voila! comfy. the worst pitch I experienced was in an AF 744 MIA-CDG on July 2002, even FR had a better pitch then!

Congrats to Finnair on their new "toy"

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:03 pm

I flew G-VFLY on 12th Feb in 2005 in premium eco. Good flight, good service and the PTV's arn't that bad! Better than nout!

Sure this will be a good thing for AY!

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:45 pm

very tiny PTV's in Eco class Big grin
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:08 pm

Really funny to see those small PTVs !!! But after all let's not forget that VS was one of the very first airline to fit those PTVs on long-haul planes.

Godd luck AY with the A340 !!

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:33 am

Exactly, as Flying Belgian says, VS was among the first to introduce PTVs in Economy, along with SQ, so these are among the first introduced in airline service - in Y Class. I've flown VS in Y Class, on the 744 (to MCO and back) and in all fairness to them, while the screens were admittedly small, the IFE was excellent and I think it would be wrong to rate them as a charter service. Also, I found the colours warm and restful, rather than loud.

And if you want bigger PTVs, try the VS A340-600s!

Anyway, good luck to AY with the A340s. Hopefully, Airbus will be sort them with "bridging aircraft" to make up for the A350 delay.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I experienced even smaller PTVs on a VS 747-200 back in 2000...

Wow, VS 742s had PTVs 6 years ago, but UA 744s don't have them today! However they are finally changing them which is way over due. Although there wasn't much they could have done while they were trying to emerge from Chapter 11...
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:30 am

Does anyone know Finnair's exact plans for this ex-Virgin A343 aircraft?

Virgin acquired this rather early-build A343 around the same time that it placed its A343/A350 order....thus, Finnair will be flying this older A343 side-by-side with newly delivered, far more advanced A343s that will come directly from Airbus. Does Finnair plan to keep this older A343 once it has received delivery of its new A343/A350 fleet (Finnair has stated that it is sticking with the A350 - but thats another story) or will this aircraft be retired with the MD11s?
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 22):
Wow, VS 742s had PTVs 6 years ago

Those old VS 742s had them long before that! (I can't remember exactly when they got them though)
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
Does Finnair plan to keep this older A343 once it has received delivery of its new A343/A350 fleet

IIRC, I would say no. I already asked the question a few months ago, I'll try to find the right thread.

This is to fill the gap before the A343 "Enhanced" comes in, as no pax MD11 were available while AY was planning to open India and Nagoya.

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:17 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I experienced even smaller PTVs on a VS 747-200 back in 2000...

Haha, talking about stone age PTV's. Were those the first PTV's developed? They indeed look very small!!! How can you watch something on such a small screen.

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
Does anyone know Finnair's exact plans for this ex-Virgin A343 aircraft?

OH-LQA is a stop-gap aircraft, enabling AY to operate all the planned services until the A343Es join the fleet. For the summer timetable she will be dedicated for HEL-PVG route, and next winter she'll be doing HEL-KIX and HEL-NGO. Current plan is that she'll be sold later next year as the new quads are delivered, but that may of course change. Those will have a new generation IFE in eco also, which must mean bigger monitors too. One thing to worry about is that OH-LQA's Arcadia-system has only been ordered by VS so spare parts may become hard to find.

Lets hope AY will make a total cabin upgrade into it's MD-11s in the future, as the A350s wont be delivered for several years to come, that is for sure. Now there is no PTVs in eco, just new LCD-screens which have not been working well at all. And in OH-LGE/F/G there are no PTVs even in J-cl, they are replaced by portable DVD-players.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:21 pm

Quoting FFlyer (Reply 2):
That bright red would make me feel sick.

Canada3000 had bright red interiors as well, on top of that, there were no dividers seperating the Y class, so if you sat in the rear of one of their A332´s and the sun was shinning it, it really hurt the eyes on a long haul flight.

Nice to see that AY has chosen the A340, any airline that flies the A340 and MD11 is a company that has taste. Can´t wait to see it in full AY colours.
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:34 pm

Nice to see another A340 operator. I love that aircraft. When do Finnair receive the next A340 and how many will they get?

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 29):

Next deliveries will be in May and June '07.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 27):
And in OH-LGE/F/G there are no PTVs even in J-cl, they are replaced by portable DVD-players.

Those planes just received their new J seats, didn't they get the PTVs at the same time?

I'm booked to fly OH-LQA tomorrow, I just hope it will actually fly the OUL-HEL route like in the schedule...
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:24 am

The PTVs are so tiny!!!
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:53 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 31):
Those planes just received their new J seats, didn't they get the PTVs at the same time?

Apparently they are still equipped with only video walkmans....??! I was very surprised when I heard that. Haven't flown them myself yet so this is second hand information.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 19):
very tiny PTV's in Eco class Big grin



Quoting LY777 (Reply 32):
The PTVs are so tiny!!!

Hey guys, has anyone noticed the PTVs are really tiny?

Anyway...

Quoting DLBOIFIN (Reply 33):
Apparently they are still equipped with only video walkmans....??! I was very surprised when I heard that. Haven't flown them myself yet so this is second hand information.

I've heard this too. I guess the second hand planes didn't have the necessary cabling installed. Really unfortunate too, as AY will have a hard time marketing four different experiences... (MD-11, second hand MD-11, A343, second hand A343)
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:11 am

I just love hearing people knocking PTV's when airlines such as LH/UA/AI/KL/AY etc etc don't even offer then at all on some or all of their a/c yet these airlines never take a bashing.

ANY PTV is better than no PTV.

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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 31):
I just hope it will actually fly the OUL-HEL route like in the schedule...

Should be, first flight is AY501 HEL-KUO at 6:15 and a busy multi-sector day from then on. I'm going to test her on Wednesday from HEL to OUL, hopefully I can then show some new pics with a completed interior and painted exterior.
 
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:29 am

IMO The A340 with its hair dryer engines will never hold candel to the MD-11, but thats just my opinion.  Smile
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:58 pm

I think that AF has the same PTVs on their A340
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RE: Finnair's First A343 - Pics

Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:39 am

Well, it's still in the blah boring paint "scheme". Finnair missed a good opportunity to intruduce a nicer, more striking livery with this aircraft.

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