lnglive1011yyz
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JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:45 pm

Fair Use Extract from the Toronto Star's Website:

"Transport Canada stood by while thousands of Canadians boarded Jetsgo planes amid a growing list of safety problems at the discount airline.

More than a year after the death of Jetsgo, Transport Canada insists it did the right thing in keeping the doomed airline flying and has not changed its procedures in light of the Jetsgo experience.

Jetsgo, which offered tickets as low as $1, had repeated mechanical breakdowns, shoddy maintenance practices, inexperienced pilots and midair mishaps."

Click here to read the entire article

Again, as I have stated in the past, I do find that the concentration that the Toronto Star and the Record of Waterloo Region have put on this air-safety thing are, in some instances, overblown and quite hyped-up, I must say that this article highlights some of the issues that travellers that *I* know of who travelled JetsGo experienced however..

Quite a concern if you ask me -- that a Government body which is supposed to protect the people, would allow an airline with such shoddy maintenance practices (which has now been proven to be true, according to the Transport Canada report detailled in the article) to continue flying.

JetsGo had a great business model, unfortunately, the only way you can offer fares that low, is to undercut other areas of your business, and maintenance appeared to be one of them.

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niagaraflyer
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:40 pm

As blown up as the article may be the facts are still true. jetsGo had ongoing mx problems with their fleet and it's probably good that they suspended operations before they had a serious incident. An interesting statistic I found was the number of incidents that SG had:

2002 - 5
2003 - 15
2004 - 32
2005 - 7
Total (2002-2005): 60

Any other thoughts?

-Johnathan
 
toltommy
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:06 am

What % of total flights did the incidents represent? Was that percentage higher than other Canadian scheduled carriers?
 
airman99o
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:32 am

I Cannot believe the amount of problems in only 3 short years. WOW. I used to live with a flight attendant that worked there and she said it was a nightmare. On many flights there was this burning smell she said that lasted the entire flight. The incident in YYC was amazing that noone was hurt, and they managed to get airborne off the the grass. Also working with Ex Royal Airlines flight attendants. they had their share of stories of working for M. Leblanc. I think this man has a golden Horseshoe up his A**  crazy  Hopefully he will not be taking to the skies in Canada anytime soon. But I do hear that he is lurking somewhere with a new venture.

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canuckjetsettr
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:19 am

This seems to be an ongoing thing in Canada.

Nationair had horrendous maintenance issues. A plane even crashed! http://www.nationair-canada.com/

Royal had maintenance concerns with their L1011's and 727's quite frequently.

Air Transat's maintenance came under scrutiny after an A330 glides across the Atlantic (i am exagerating a bit) after losing all it's fuel.

SonicBlue airways loses it's operating certificate after one of it's Cessna Caravans crashes.

AC Jazz has only recently been in the news after their own people are speaking out about concerns.

And the first few years at WJ were spent "fixing" their ancient -200's by ways people who work there want to keep "hush, hush".

So.....

I guess that is all part of operating an airline in Canada. Competition is SO good, the airlines have started living on the edge. Cutting a few wages here, a few management positions there, and let's slash our maintenance budget and outsource it to a contract company which won't feel the same pride and respect an airline employee feels.

Oh, yes, deregulation is good for the Canadian people. It has given them the opportunity to "sample" all these different types of airlines with their "dawn of the jet-era" aircraft and fancy new hip slogans, just in time for them to close-up shop overnight or merge with another carrier.

I wonder how 5G's marketing budget compared to their maintenance budget?
 
tribird1011
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting Canuckjetsettr (Reply 4):
I wonder how 5G's marketing budget compared to their maintenance budget?

Interesting points...

However did you mean 5G or SG?

SG = Jetsgo
5G = Skyservice
 
BWIA330
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:45 pm

Hey,

I use to work for Jetsgo at the Toronto base as a ground agent, and let me tell you. That article is 100% true. I worked for Jetsgo, had free passes to fly with them and I choose to fly another airline and pay my money. Alot of us knew that the airlines fate was doomed after the YYC incident. And yes, thank god no one, or nothing fatal had happend. Those MD-80's were the worst thing to have operating at Jetsgo. And dont even mention the Fokkers, even worse. We had so many mechanical problems it wasnt even funny to deal with all the angry passengers.

Regards,

BWIA330
 
aeroplan73
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:02 pm

Jetsgo made Valujet look safe.

I never opted to try Jetsgo because of stories I heard from insiders regarding maintenance problems.

Transport Canada, much like the FAA, seems to turn a blind eye in many cases.

I think it comes back to the notion that if planes aren't 'falling from the sky', the system must be working.
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apodino
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 7):
I think it comes back to the notion that if planes aren't 'falling from the sky', the system must be working.

The problem I see is that agencies like the FAA and transport canada are there to ensure the safety of those who fly the skies. Airlines however are in the business of making money (and not doing a very good job at the moment) so they look for ways to take shortcuts and stuff, which is often at the expense of safety. The FAA turns a blind eye because these airlines send lobbyists up to the hill and funnels money to the right people. And when someone in government does see a problem and speaks out, like Mary Schiavo, that person is ridiculed. Then a tragedy happens. We should be proactive to prevent tragedies, not reactive.
 
thehangarcat
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting Canuckjetsettr (Reply 4):
And the first few years at WJ were spent "fixing" their ancient -200's by ways people who work there want to keep "hush, hush".

Prove it. I happen to know a heck of lot of people working at WS and maintenance and safety are always a top priority.

I'm sure every other point in your post can be googled to back up some facts but until you can dig up dirt on the maintenance of the 200's I am gonna call some serious shenanigans on this one.

WS flew those 200's and kept them in better shape than a lot of other airlines.
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canuckjetsettr
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:40 pm

Don't get me wrong. I am a BIG supporter of WestJet and fly them everywhere.

I always felt safe flying the -200's and still don't even think about any issues when boarding their new planes now. I know alot of people too and while I am not saying they would have EVER dispatched an unsafe aircraft, there were days early on where maintenance would not necessarily revert to "common" practices.

Those first few -200's were old (the oldest they ever had in their fleet) and when you first start flying a discount carrier for $29 one-way fares between YEG-YYC you can't honestly say they were able to put in the same MONEY (not care and attention by employees) but MONEY into maintenance.

Talk to some old school pilots (Ernie) and some old ops managers and they will tell you the days when they had to charter KFC 727's to support their ops when a -200 would go down for mtc.

Jetsgo had it's share of incidents. Far more than WJ. But don't forget that EVERYONE has growing pains. WJ had theirs, SG had theirs. Obviously the victor came out on top.
 
aeroplan73
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting Apodino (Reply 8):
We should be proactive to prevent tragedies, not reactive.

I fully agree with you, but it seems that politics and greed often come out ahead.
I remember, the choices were chicken or fish. I had the lasagna.
 
airman99o
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RE: JetsGo Probe Shows Issues With Transport Canada

Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:55 am

HAHA. too funny the comment about Skyservice's Marketing budget!! As I know what it is, Absolutly 0!!  Big grin hopefully our budget is a little higher in the maintenance Department Big grin

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