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Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:08 am

Just saw on the major national television news that a VARIG MD11 had a serious accident while landing at BSB today. The images shown were incredible.
Central landing gear of the MD11 simply collapsed, opened a big hole on the fuselage, split small parts throughout wings and many other parts and opened a hole on the runway.
This is being investigated by ANAC.

Does anybody have more information about this?
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:10 am

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/3976134.html

"RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — The landing gear on a Varig airlines jet broke as it touched down Friday in the capital of Brasilia, the airline said in a statement.

None of the 108 passengers was injured, and the plane landed safely, Varig said.

The MD-11 jet was headed from Rio to the Amazon jungle city of Manaus, with a stopover in Brasilia. The 45 passengers bound for Manaus were transferred to other airlines, the company said."
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:14 am

I thought that Varig was going out the window. Glad to hear everyone was alright, but it could be one less MD-11 for us to all enjoy flying about!!Doh!!!
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:27 am

Does anyone knows if it was lack of maintenance or a hard landing?
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:31 am

And the dark cloud is all over the airline!!!

Yes, was it a HL or BAD mx???

This is really something serious considering the low cash and probably the limited mx procedures and resources its staff is up to in these days!!!

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Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:00 am

Only 108 people on the jet? Damn. Those are some really low load factors.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:11 am

Considering it was the middle central landing gear, difficult to believe it was a hard landing as this is the last landing gear to touch the runway. The central landing gear a little bit more retracted that those mounted on the wings and it is there just to hep support of the hole weight of the aircraft, like the one mounted on the A340.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:17 am

So I presume there was no more damage done to the airframe? I don't think in any case, a centre strut like those on MD-11s and A342/3s should cause lots of damage if broken, but I'm still curious as to any further damage to the frame.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:22 am

Hmm... At least the creditors will have a difficult time repossessing that a/c.  Wink
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:58 am

The incident occurred on RWY 11R and BSB stayed closed for more than one hour because 11L was being repaired.
Most of the flights that were going to BSB made a stopover in GYN.
If BSB had more than one airport, passengers would had been less perturbed  scratchchin 
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 6):
Considering it was the middle central landing gear, difficult to believe it was a hard landing as this is the last landing gear to touch the runway. The central landing gear a little bit more retracted that those mounted on the wings and it is there just to hep support of the hole weight of the aircraft, like the one mounted on the A340.

I'm no engineer, but I would have though that the central gear would be the first to give in a hard landing. Just think about, the full inertia of the, what, 200 ton fuselage right above it, probably striking the runway at over 1,000fpm for it to fail. Also, it's got half the wheels of the other MLG bogies, and presumably less oleo travel too. In addition to this, the outer bogies don't "tilt" the way they do on the A340--I understand that this "softens" the impact. Considering the average speed and sink rate of an MD-11 on landing, I'm surprised that for the most part the gear takes it so well.

This would leave eight MD-11s in their active fleet--at this rate they will soon have fewer widebodies than AR, and that is worrying!

Best regards,

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Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 7):
So I presume there was no more damage done to the airframe? I don't think in any case, a centre strut like those on MD-11s and A342/3s should cause lots of damage if broken, but I'm still curious as to any further damage to the frame.

As per images shown on tv, there was a big hole under the fuselage plus many other damage caused by the split of small parts. It was really a bad thing!
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting JJMNGR (Thread starter):
VARIG MD11 had a serious accident

Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident. I've just seen the pictures of the aircraft on tv and the landing gear made four big hole in its belly. One more wide body grounded for some weeks. Bad news to Varig.

Another news that just come over is that Varig has fuel to operate flights only until next Monday. It seems that Sunday will be the last day ...
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:25 pm

Please remember the center landing gear is in it's own wheelwell, so the "hole" you refer to is probably the center main landing gear doors departing the airplane. The pressure shell opening (where pax are) is feet above that lower loft line.

This is not to say the event isn't significant - I don't know if it is or isn't.
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 4:18 pm

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 5):
Only 108 people on the jet? Damn. Those are some really low load factors.



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
The MD-11 jet was headed from Rio to the Amazon jungle city of Manaus, with a stopover in Brasilia

I did the same in April on a 777 and there were not even close to 108 pax on board!
 
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:40 pm

Quoting DC10Forever (Reply 12):
Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident.

How would you define that.
regds
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Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:37 pm

Jeez, to say they are having a hard time of it lately would be an understatement.

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Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting Woosie (Reply 13):
Please remember the center landing gear is in it's own wheelwell, so the "hole" you refer to is probably the center main landing gear doors departing the airplane. The pressure shell opening (where pax are) is feet above that lower loft line.

I've just watched a short Brazilian news video (from globo.com), they reported the lower part of the landing gear - i.e. the bogey and part of the strut - had separated and bounced off the runway against the belly of the MD-11, causing the holes.

They also interviewed a passenger who, if I got her right, said she hadn't noticed anything, not even a noise.
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:51 am

Well this definitely isn't the best of times for Varig!

After this incident I don't think RG have much hope at all of staying in the air long...

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:02 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident.

How would you define that.
regds
MEL

An accident would be with fatalities, injuries and/or a destroyed airframe. Therefore a thread title like "Varig MD-11 accident" looks very scary and I'd also have thought "Varig MD-11 incident" is more appropriate.

By the way MEL you post a lot of questions and I see you never use a question mark ("?"). That might give your post a bit a rude and shouty impression, like that you demand an answer. Just wanting to point this out if you wonder why sometimes noone bothers to answer this might be the reason.
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:14 am

Pics anybody? I couldnt even find an article on Google news.

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting MEA-707" class=quote target=_blank>MEA-707 (Reply 19):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Well, I believe it was just an inccident and not an accident.

How would you define that.
regds
MEL

An accident would be with fatalities, injuries and/or a destroyed airframe. Therefore a thread title like "Varig MD-11 accident" looks very scary and I'd also have thought "Varig MD-11 incident" is more appropriate.

By the way MEL you post a lot of questions and I see you never use a question mark ("?"). That might give your post a bit a rude and shouty impression, like that you demand an answer. Just wanting to point this out if you wonder why sometimes noone bothers to answer this might be the reason.

Perfect MEA-707. Thanks for your quick explanation. There is a big difference between and aeronautical accident and incident, as set forth by the ICAO regulations. What happened to RG's MD-11 at BSB was only an incident, just like when an aircraft overruns a runway without serious damages or injuries to the aircraft or its passengers.

Regards,

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:16 am

Aircraft involved was PP-VQG, curiously enough the only MD-11 in RG's fleet not earmarked for freighter conversion.

Saludos,

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:13 am

I was under the impression that a MD-11 could land without the central gear no problem.(?) The slightly smaller Tristars do it.
 
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 23):
I was under the impression that a MD-11 could land without the central gear no problem.(?) The slightly smaller Tristars do it.

You're right, but this can happen only with a lower Maximum Landing Weight. I saw a few DC-10-30s landing and taking off with the center wheel retracted.
 
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:14 am

Here is a link where images could be seeing:

http://gmc.globo.com/GMC/0,,2465-p-M483699,00.html
 
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:22 am

A fact I know about maintenance is that most of the pieces of an aircraft are often being redesigned and their handbooks reviewed.
As MD-11s are no more built, is their maintenance becoming harder and harder to an airline?
 
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 5):
Only 108 people on the jet? Damn. Those are some really low load factors.

I was about to is it me or is 108 passengers on an MD-11 not alot!!  Smile
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:53 am

About the loads- yes, they are indeed very low, but then don't forget MAO is very big on cargo. Not saying that the flight was profitable, chances are it really wasn't, but the picture might not be as bad as it seems.

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Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 23):
was under the impression that a MD-11 could land without the central gear no problem.(?) The slightly smaller Tristars do it.

You're right; I just flew one a couple of weeks ago with the ctr. gr. retracted. Max t/o gross wgt was 445.0 It wasn't a big deal.
 
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 25):
Here is a link where images could be seeing:

http://gmc.globo.com/GMC/0,,2465-p-M....html

Know what I think? It could be hyd system failure since in the images, they showed the RAT deployed. Possible is that the Center Landing Gear didn't downlock from lack of hyd pressure. Prob just a free fall release.

The CLG broke off the strut, bounced off the runway and punched a hole right between the skin and the last door on the MD-11 and came to a rest on the side of the runway.
 
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Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:06 pm

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 25):
Here is a link where images could be seeing

Thank you for that link. Now I see that it was the auxiliary landing gear, now I understand why the a/c was able to land without problems.
Did the presenter say at the end that the heavy maintenance scheduled for that plane was in three years? Is that what he said?
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Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:39 am

Glad that this ended up to be a mere incident and everyone is ok ... everyone except the airline. As if things were not ba enough for RG this incident will just make things worse. I hope they keep on flying but it seems like a long shot now  Sad

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Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:43 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 19):
By the way MEL you post a lot of questions and I see you never use a question mark

Cant do that till 31st Dec 2006 2359 hrs  Smile
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On the topic.Are you saying Its an Accident only if there are Casualties & a written off Airframe,else its an Incident.
The Defination as per DGCA out here differs.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 31):
Did the presenter say at the end that the heavy maintenance scheduled for that plane was in three years? Is that what he said?

Should there be a connection.
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Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:33 pm

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 29):
You're right; I just flew one a couple of weeks ago with the ctr. gr. retracted. Max t/o gross wgt was 445.0 It wasn't a big deal.

Some other folks have done the same, and yet some other folks had their camera ready...


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Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:40 pm

Poor Varig, they are really having it rough arent they? Can anyone get me a website with pictures of the accident? I cant find any.
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 23):



Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 23):
was under the impression that a MD-11 could land without the central gear no problem.(?) The slightly smaller Tristars do it.

Guys! I can't believe everbody let this one slip by, Tri-Stars do not have a center gear!  Big grin
 
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I guess the accident aircraft is shown in this photo?
 
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:15 am

Wait a minute... Thats it? Thats all? You guys made it sound like the damage was horrifying and the aircraft was ripped apart. Is that really it? well that is a it of a disapointment...
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:32 am

Quote:
Wait a minute... Thats it? Thats all? You guys made it sound like the damage was horrifying and the aircraft was ripped apart. Is that really it? well that is a it of a disapointment...

Disapointment at the fact that there's not more destruction?????????
 
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:43 am

Quoting SvenvdM (Reply 39):
Disapointment at the fact that there's not more destruction?????????

Oh god no, you guys just made it sound alot worse, like that MD-11 was totaled, I was being sarcastic
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:49 am

Guys . A little heads up for future reference. The difference between an accident and incident is determined by the amount of damage in $$$ terms.
 
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:53 am

Quoting JJMNGR (Thread starter):
VARIG MD11 had a serious accident while landing at BSB today. The images shown were incredible.
Central landing gear of the MD11 simply collapsed, opened a big hole on the fuselage, split small parts throughout wings and many other parts and opened a hole on the runway.

DRAMA QUEEN! Please people, be realistic when posting!
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 42):
DRAMA QUEEN! Please people, be realistic when posting!

Drama is always the case whenever JJMNGR talks about Varig. His dislike of RG is starting to get boring and outdated.

Just read any discussion about RG and look out for his criticism.

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Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:41 pm

Come on!

Don´t look only to this picture to conclude nothing more happened ok?
Most of Brazilian newspapers and massive national television showed much more than this picture.

The accident or incident whatever; opened a hole on the runway and many other damage on the aircraft that this far away picture does not show.

And YES!! I don´t like VARIG. Please, let me remind all of you that this is an open forum. If some of you prefer just to read what you want and good things about something, this is the wrong place. Create a community on the ORKUT "VARIG LOVERS" and there all VARIG lovers are going to read just what they want.
 
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RE: Varig MD11 Incident At BSB

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 10):
probably striking the runway at over 1,000fpm for it to fail.



Quoting LVZXV (Reply 10):
Considering the average speed and sink rate of an MD-11 on landing, I'm surprised that for the most part the gear takes it so well.

You don't really think that the MD-11 has any higher sink rate upon landing than any other big jet do you? Avg rate of descent on final about 700-800 fpm reduced to as close to 0 as possible at the 1' level.

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