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Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:13 am

Virgin's signature logo definitely looks sharper on the America scheme, as one poster had stated some weeks back that it was being "tweaked" to be more legible you can see the difference in both these photos when you compare. So possibly the tail design might be changed on all VS group carriers to look like VS America, not just the logo but the whole tail scheme.


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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:51 am

That is the new Virgin group logo. G-VFAB wears it at VS and it is used by Virgin Mobile/Virgin Money in the UK.
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:58 am

Question.... Is the Airline ever take to the skies here in the USA.????? The only thing I did not like about them is they where trying to hide the fact the Sir Richard Branson has his hand in on the airline. Now I know any dummy could tell he did by the name. But, why did the exec. for Virgian American try so hard to cover it up?????

As far as a new start up. I don't see this carrier as being a LLC. I see them as being something in between and LLC and major airlines. And I think they will go head to head with WN.

With that in Mind. Good luck Virgian America....

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 2):
But, why did the exec. for Virgian American try so hard to cover it up?????

I personally think Fred Reid is scum for what he did at DL, but what exactly did they try and cover up? It is no secret to anyone that Branson is involved as a stakeholder in the operation...
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:14 pm

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 2):
But, why did the exec. for Virgian American try so hard to cover it up?????

I think it has something to do with a certain section of the population (on both sides of the aisle) saying hey, he's not American, I think I'll fly American because then Americans will get the money...

More on topic... I don't like the new color scheme. It's kinda ugly. Too white. But hopefully, with Virgin America, it's what's on the inside that counts. (IFE,service, etc...)

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:33 pm

They are really gear at going up against JetBlue, United, American, and so forth. What I am really interested in seeing is how they plan on making money only flying transcon flights. The market is already over saturated with seats and we already showed that flying transcon is not profitable like we originally thought, hence why we are pulling back transcon flights and redirecting the aircraft.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:06 am

Are all VS aircraft going to be painted this way.


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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:13 am

No that was just a special paint scheme on one aircraft to celebrate Virgin Atlantic's 21st birthday.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:16 am

The airline won't see the light of day...they will not receive certification. And even if they did by some miracle, they would not survive. The domestic carriers would eat them alive.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:22 am

Can any one explain why VS America has an over all different tail design to their other subsidiaries and VS Atlantic.
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 8):
The airline won't see the light of day...they will not receive certification. And even if they did by some miracle, they would not survive. The domestic carriers would eat them alive.

I take it someone doesn't like Virgin America...  Wink

I personally think they'll do well! Who knows... they could succeed and push one of the current airlines out of the picture!
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I personally think they'll do well!

Based on?
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I personally think they'll do well! Who knows... they could succeed and push one of the current airlines out of the picture!

I think it will be interesting. They are definitely something new. However as much as people complain about US Airlines, they are incredibly efficient companies. They are very lean operations that try to maximize efficiency. An incredibly competitive market will do that to a company. US airlines have done everything possible to cut costs down. It will be interesting to see if a somewhat foreign company can do any better.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
Can any one explain why VS America has an over all different tail design to their other subsidiaries and VS Atlantic.

Is it because Americans like retro schemes?

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Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 2):
The only thing I did not like about them is they where trying to hide the fact the Sir Richard Branson has his hand in on the airline.

But if it becomes known, for example, that he so much as suggested that a Virgin America SFO-JFK flight should be scheduled to arrive, say, two hours before the scheduled departure of a VS flight to LHR that would that not be an infringement of the US federal law that forbids a non-American citizen taking any management decision for a US airline?
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:01 am

Embrace Open Skies and competition my friends. The inevitable short term pain will be outweighed by long term sustainability and profitability!

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 11):
Based on?

Brand recognition, really, and the fact that they are, indeed, something a bit new. Its hard to say, I guess, until they're in the air... but with people moaning about US airlines, if VA come up with something good, people may switch!
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:42 am

I just noticed the wingtips on that Virgin America a/c and think they are incredibly tacky. I haven't done my homework but is Virgin America going to be an all-Y LCC or offer a Business/First Class product as well?
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:48 am

When will they start flying? When will they start hiring ramp staff? Any ideas anyone????
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:52 am

Transcons could work well in secondary markets. NYC-west coast needs more competition and service like Ted Kennedy needs another fifth. That said however, there are numerous secondary markets for example; PVD, DTW, PIT, CLE, CVG, BWI, RDU, CLT, CMH among many others that could provide a defensible niche. Will they go for that? Who knows. In any case, despite the fact that I am not fond at all of the colr red, I like the scheme.
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Vasu (Reply 15):
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 11):
Based on?

Brand recognition, really, and the fact that they are, indeed, something a bit new. Its hard to say, I guess, until they're in the air... but with people moaning about US airlines, if VA come up with something good, people may switch!

Exactly... something new... VA (I wonder what their code will be)... I think this will happen..... just later than hoped....
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:58 am

Why is it ok for American companies to own businesses outside America but not the other way round? Americans are pushing globalisation and buying up businesses overseas and others like Virgin are trying to do exactly the same in America. Can anyone tell me what the problem is?
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:04 pm

VS Nigeria also have the new logo.


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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 11):
Based on?

And maybe because of how succesful VS was?
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:39 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 20):
Why is it ok for American companies to own businesses outside America but not the other way round? Americans are pushing globalisation and buying up businesses overseas and others like Virgin are trying to do exactly the same in America. Can anyone tell me what the problem is?

Its airline regulation that's it. Plenty of foreign companies buy US companies and vise versa.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:48 pm

Quoting Vasu (Reply 15):
Brand recognition, really, and the fact that they are, indeed, something a bit new. Its hard to say, I guess, until they're in the air... but with people moaning about US airlines, if VA come up with something good, people may switch!

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 24):
Indy Air was new...

No, Indy was a last-ditch effort for a regional airline that didn't have a choice but to either try it on their own or shut down. Not much else to do when you no longer have major airline contracts.

You know, people said the same things about jetBlue when they were starting up. Why not let them start flying and give them a chance before everyone jumps on them as being an unnecessary addition to the US domestic market. Who knows, maybe they will be a very welcome change to what's offered today.

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting LH423 (Reply 25):
No, Indy was a last-ditch effort for a regional airline that didn't have a choice but to either try it on their own or shut down. Not much else to do when you no longer have major airline contracts.

Ah, sarcasim is wasted on the masses...
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:38 am

The thing is...i dont think they will even have a chance to fly. THey will not get the operating certificate.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 27):
The thing is...i dont think they will even have a chance to fly. THey will not get the operating certificate.

I'd still love to understand why they shouldn't. Because other carriers don't want competition? Tough. Other businesses don't get that sort of protection.
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Flaps (Reply 18):
That said however, there are numerous secondary markets for example; PVD, DTW, PIT, CLE, CVG, BWI, RDU, CLT, CMH among many others that could provide a defensible niche

Me thinks if Virgin America trys to set up in BWI FL and WN will not be very happy.

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:48 am

You forget there are laws that apply to ownership of a domestic carrier by a foreign entity or person. It is clear that while Branson says he would not be running VA, he will clearly be pulling the strings and will have an ownership more than the 49% allowed under the law.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 30):
You forget there are laws that apply to ownership of a domestic carrier by a foreign entity or person. It is clear that while Branson says he would not be running VA, he will clearly be pulling the strings and will have an ownership more than the 49% allowed under the law.

I guess I haven't seen proof of this. It seems more like speculation to me. Anyway, why do I care who's pulling the strings?
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:54 am

You should care because if you are a VA fan then you may be surprised at what the law says, etc. If Branson is pulling the strings and essentially "runs" the company, then VA will not be getting its certificate and will be sent on its way...
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 32):
You should care because if you are a VA fan then you may be surprised at what the law says, etc. If Branson is pulling the strings and essentially "runs" the company, then VA will not be getting its certificate and will be sent on its way...

I'm not exactly a fan (hardly care either way), I'm just surprised at the swell of hatred towards them. People should be working harder to make their products stand out rather than trying to prevent competition. Let the market decide.
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:23 am

I am not saying i hate VA...but reality is the chances of them getting the proper certification is as good as Jenna Jameson coming over to my place tonight...not happening..which would really suck  Big grin
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:48 am

It would be safe to assume VirginBlue will progressively start to alter the font of "Virgin" on their tails soon too...

Anyone have any idea when this may start to occur?
 
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:32 pm

If VA did start service, i would try them...i would be saying the same thing about a new domestic carrier trying to start service. THere is no room for another airline in an already saturated marketplace. Especially when some airlines are starting to add capacity again.
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
VS Nigeria also have the new logo.

That Virgin Nigeria picture shows the same style as the current Virgin Blue and Virgin Atlantic schemes, not the new Virgin America one...

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:38 pm

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 32):
You should care because if you are a VA fan then you may be surprised at what the law says, etc. If Branson is pulling the strings and essentially "runs" the company, then VA will not be getting its certificate and will be sent on its way...

Seems to me you're doing an awful lot of hoping in this particular matter as you keep on repeating this nonsense......any particular reason why?
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:04 am

Hey guys,

Check out www.virginatlantic.com, it shows Virgin's new logo !

Which has been adopted by Virgin America.

I think it's a lush logo, very modern !
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 8):
The airline won't see the light of day...they will not receive certification. And even if they did by some miracle, they would not survive. The domestic carriers would eat them alive.

 checkmark 

Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I take it someone doesn't like Virgin America...

Add me to that mix as well!

Quoting Expressjetphx (Reply 16):
I just noticed the wingtips on that Virgin America a/c and think they are incredibly tacky.

I'm betting the F.A.A. is gonna say SOMETHING about that. You cannot brand the american flag and you must get permission to put the american flag on your aircraft without F.A.A. permission. This is something that WN had to apply for in 2002.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 20):
Why is it ok for American companies to own businesses outside America but not the other way round?

This is airline regulations.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 24):
Indy Air was new...

LOL!!!! and it didnt last long did it?! Im betting the start-up of so-called Virgina America will have the same results.

Quoting Cumulonimbus (Reply 29):
Me thinks if Virgin America trys to set up in BWI FL and WN will not be very happy.

WN will do an all-out assault on Virgin America, no doubt.

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 30):
You forget there are laws that apply to ownership of a domestic carrier by a foreign entity or person. It is clear that while Branson says he would not be running VA, he will clearly be pulling the strings and will have an ownership more than the 49% allowed under the law.

 checkmark  This is why the F.A.A and D.O.T. is withholding certification, among other things, I presume.

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 31):
I guess I haven't seen proof of this.

Look up F.A.R. Part 121/135.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 38):
Seems to me you're doing an awful lot of hoping in this particular matter as you keep on repeating this nonsense......any particular reason why?

Dude.....I cant put it any simpler than this but ITS THE LAW!!!!
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:23 pm

Quoting Expressjetphx (Reply 16):
I just noticed the wingtips on that Virgin America a/c and think they are incredibly tacky.



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 40):
I'm betting the F.A.A. is gonna say SOMETHING about that. You cannot brand the american flag and you must get permission to put the american flag on your aircraft without F.A.A. permission. This is something that WN had to apply for in 2002.

The wingtip design is pretty much directly taken from the winglet design on the VS planes which depict the UK union flag in a similar manner. I agree it looks a bit odd, but that's exactly where it came from.
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Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting JBo (Reply 41):
The wingtip design is pretty much directly taken from the winglet design on the VS planes which depict the UK union flag in a similar manner. I agree it looks a bit odd, but that's exactly where it came from.

It doesnt matter, the FAA will say SOMETHING about it sooner or later....
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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 42):
It doesnt matter, the FAA will say SOMETHING about it sooner or later....

Could you please point us in the direction of the FAR relating to the use of the American flag on aircraft?

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RE: Virgin America Tail Wears The New Virgin Look?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 43):
Could you please point us in the direction of the FAR relating to the use of the American flag on aircraft?

I seem to recall that being asked before and no one being able to find it.

Here's the thing, what's on the Virgin America wingtip is NOT the American flag. It is, in fact, a representation of the flag that has neither 13 stripes, nor 50 stars, or any other number of stars that have been displayed on an American flag in the past. Therefore, it is NOT the US flag, it is merely a resemblance of such and is, as such, completely legal to display. THAT is in the United States Flag Code, along with all the other rules for proper display under any conditions.

For other examples of this loophole in the rules that allows companies to use likenesses of the US flag in or as their emblems, see US Airways and North American Airways.
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