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Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:32 am

Regional boss for Qantas Airways, Grant Lilly, has revealed that Qantas Airways has a back-up plan in case its trans-Tasman code-share scheme with Air New Zealand falls through, however Lilly is remaining tight-lipped about the plans.

Qantas and Air New Zealand want to stop competing on the Tasman by sharing aircraft and cooperating on prices to reduce losses on the route and cut costs. The code-share scheme is the result of the increase in the price of fuel.

Lilly has asserted that the airline will continue to “work by being a good business,” amongst suggestions that the airline could competitively destroy its Kiwi counterpart rather than code-sharing with Air New Zealand. (like Hell!!)

"Our focus is on making our own business work by being a good business, not by making anyone else's a bad business. We still fervently believe that tourism and travel is the sort of industry and business where there's plenty of room for everyone," said Lilly.

wonder what our friends in Auckland have to say ?!?
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RE: Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:40 am

Having NZ around is actually good for QF... it is the lesser of multiple dangers for QF... if NZ were to fold then there is no way in hell that QF could keep the likes of SQ and EK as well as UA, AC, DL, TG etc etc out of the market... SQ and EK in particular would love to get in the Australian and New Zealand markets.
By having NZ as a competitor for longhaul flights QF can say it is being kept honest whilst at the same time isn't subject to having global giants attacking it.
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RE: Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:50 am

QF is just trying to scare the kiwi's. They said this last time. They got kicked back and i haven't yet seen a serious attempt to attack Air NZ. The only change they've made is they stuck fricken jetstar on the MEL-CHC route, and that actually cost them my business so maybe its not helping them all that much.

Id day this is just to try and scare people in power in Wellington into allowing them. the Aussie government wont care much about this one, they'd be more concerned if virgin blue was under threat, so i'd say its just trying to create a bit of uncertainty in Wellington. QF would gain little by trying to destory NZ. In fact it could just loose a lot of money because its highly likely the NZ government would step in yet again. Because the question remains...well that's the downside, but what is the upside for QF? getting the NZ domestic market to itself? because if it happened there is no way SQ and EK wouldn't get greater traffic rights to the region, and probably 5th freedom long hauls out of auckland. Nope, this is just QF huffing and puffing. QF are very good at political games remember.
 
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RE: Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
By having NZ as a competitor for longhaul flights QF can say it is being kept honest whilst at the same time isn't subject to having global giants attacking it.

I agree Zkpilot especially with the longhaul fligths where QF charge alot more than NZ to the US but on the trans tasman route they are pretty even.
 
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RE: Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2):
QF is just trying to scare the kiwi's. They said this last time. They got kicked back and i haven't yet seen a serious attempt to attack Air NZ. The only change they've made is they stuck fricken jetstar on the MEL-CHC route, and that actually cost them my business so maybe its not helping them all that much.

Id day this is just to try and scare people in power in Wellington into allowing them. the Aussie government wont care much about this one, they'd be more concerned if virgin blue was under threat, so i'd say its just trying to create a bit of uncertainty in Wellington. QF would gain little by trying to destory NZ. In fact it could just loose a lot of money because its highly likely the NZ government would step in yet again. Because the question remains...well that's the downside, but what is the upside for QF? getting the NZ domestic market to itself? because if it happened there is no way SQ and EK wouldn't get greater traffic rights to the region, and probably 5th freedom long hauls out of auckland. Nope, this is just QF huffing and puffing. QF are very good at political games remember.

Couldn't agree more, QF and NZ are unique because the NZ and Aussie governments would never let the national carriers fold. When NZ got bailed out last time highlighted this, the importance of having NZ operate is of national importance.

If NZ got into trouble again (not very likely in it's current healthy shape) it wouldn't matter if it cost $1 Billion or $5 Billion to bail it out, it would be done irrespective of cost.

On the topic of the code sharing, if it goes ahead, NZ is nearly pulling completely out of WLG - does this indicate that QF makes more money on those routes or that NZ is simply giving QF a "sweatner" to codeshare? NZ get's CHC & QF get's WLG?
 
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RE: Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:14 pm

Overall in the codeshare agreement booklet from NZ it states that NZ will have 53% of the seats and QF will have 47% overall combined ops TransTasman. At this stage JQ and SJ services are not being included in the codeshare agreement.
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RE: Qantas Airways Has Back-up Plan For Code-share

Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
At this stage JQ and SJ services are not being included in the codeshare agreement

Do you think with this codeshare agreement in place JQ will increase service across the Tasman since there will be a cutback by QF??

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