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AR Most Profitable Routes?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:46 am

I was reading a couple of days ago that the flights to AKL/SYD are the most profitable for Aerolineas Argentinas and the flights to MAD are the worst.
Any idea if this is true?
What about MIA, FCO, GIG, GRU, SCL, COR, IGR, BRC, USH ?


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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:22 pm

MIA-EZE is quite high-yielding for AA, so I would imagine that AR does well as well. Of course, that doesn't say anything relative to other longhaul destinations.
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:28 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
the flights to MAD are the worst.

Oh ! I thought for years that MAD is the most profitable route for AR
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:33 pm

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 2):
Oh ! I thought for years that MAD is the most profitable route for AR

Same here!

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
What about MIA, FCO, GIG, GRU, SCL, COR, IGR, BRC, USH ?

Don't forget JFK.
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:37 pm

The AKL/SYD route for AR rarely gets cancelled or changed unlike their other international flights that get switched to ridiculous departure times or cancelled all together.
My friend met me in SYD flying AR from EZE and she was talking to the crew about the route. They also told her that AR will send crews to stay in AKL for about 2 weeks and do the AKL-SYD-AKL leg of the trip.
They use the A340-200 and she said the service was great but the seats
looked worn down.
 
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:24 am

Anybody has an idea of how well MEX does for AR? I am sure it is not as profitable as it could be because of the stop in BOG and the very attractive fares that AR advertises in Mexico. If AR could find a widebody with better range to send to MEX, they would surely turn a very nice profit.
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:39 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
I was reading a couple of days ago that the flights to AKL/SYD are the most profitable for Aerolineas Argentinas and the flights to MAD are the worst.
Any idea if this is true?

Apparently so. I'm not an expert as to why, but I think it has something to do with yields on the EZE-MAD being awful. Fares are relatively low on this route, and the passengers are for the most part VFR (Visiting Friends & Relatives). And on the ever fewer occasions that AR send a 742 on the route instead of a 744, it proves costly against the competition. Bear in mind that on the westbound leg, the 742 very often has to put down somewhere in Brazil (GRU or GIG) for fuel.

Quoting Worldsurfer (Reply 4):
They use the A340-200 and she said the service was great but the seats
looked worn down.

Matters maybe, but they are more comfortable than those of the 744s.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
Anybody has an idea of how well MEX does for AR? I am sure it is not as profitable as it could be because of the stop in BOG and the very attractive fares that AR advertises in Mexico. If AR could find a widebody with better range to send to MEX, they would surely turn a very nice profit.

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Personally I believe that it was a big mistake to reintroduce the A310 a couple of years back. I think that AR--like several LatAm carriers--should have acquired a mix of 762ER/763ERs many years ago, for the A310 does not have a larger cousin of the same generation with a similar range, and struggles to even make it JFK on one tank. Besides the A342s, which serve a purpose, AR, in my opinion, should stick to Boeing for the time being.

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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 6):
Apparently so. I'm not an expert as to why, but I think it has something to do with yields on the EZE-MAD being awful. Fares are relatively low on this route, and the passengers are for the most part VFR (Visiting Friends & Relatives).

What makes this even more interesting and ironic, my friend Máximo, is that for IB this route is one of its top-two in terms of profit. Which goes to show that one's man meat... I guess AR could maybe increase its profitability in the route to MAD if it gets newer planes, signs codeshare and mileage agreements with other carriers and the Argentine per capita GDP continues to increase.
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:44 pm

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 6):
Fares are relatively low on this route, and the passengers are for the most part VFR (Visiting Friends & Relatives)

Hola Maximo! como estas?

Fares are indeed relatively low and competition is huge. Not only does AR have to compete directly with IB, but now Air Madrid offers very cheap flights, And also LAN Argentina should begin EZE-MAD, according to their original plans, so competition will be even tougher.

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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:07 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
What makes this even more interesting and ironic, my friend Máximo, is that for IB this route is one of its top-two in terms of profit

IB probably gets most of the premium traffic for local passengers, and all the premium traffic from Europe that connects through MAD. AR probably gets very little connecting traffic through MAD and little connecting traffic at EZE.
 
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
What makes this even more interesting and ironic, my friend Máximo, is that for IB this route is one of its top-two in terms of profit. Which goes to show that one's man meat... I guess AR could maybe increase its profitability in the route to MAD if it gets newer planes, signs codeshare and mileage agreements with other carriers and the Argentine per capita GDP continues to increase

The problem is that Argentine people are fed up with AR and do not want to fly their own airline, and even though the economy is on the rise , they would rather use US and European carriers for their service and reliability compared to AR.
 
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RE: AR Most Profitable Routes?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:35 am

Any chance AR will restart EZE-Brazil-Europe flights again? Taking advantage of Varig situation.


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