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Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 7:36 am

I have a feeling most of us have used economy class on an overseas flight, what do you think of it, I have flown over seas six times on 3 trips and i have used economy once, I was flying on a BA DC-10(right before they were retired,some were being retired when i flew on it) and i was not at all pleased with what coach passengers were getting compared with biz and first class, the service was good but the seat was cramped,small and barely reclined and we were packed in like sardines, i truly think that the FAA should regulate economy class on 5 hour plus flights, like having a head rest, wider seat, foot rest, more legroom and a little bit more of a recline and PTV's what are your experiences? and what would you have the FAA do to make economy a better flying experience.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 9:27 am

Firstly, I think that the FAA has no business regulating the service that airlines offer. It would be an abomination to the free-market economy to have the government regulate the quality of service provided by a carrier... if passengers are willing to accept the service levels they were offered (and the fact that seats are selling proves that they are), then airlines are doing all that they need to to satisfy the demands of the market.

Secondly, if the FAA had such authority, they would not regulate such changes. A simple cost-benefit analysis, which is the driving force behind all FAA decisions, would show that there would not be enough lives saved to justify the cost... nobody ever died from a lack of comfort or entertainment on a flight.

Finally, even if the FAA did regulate such service enhancements in the US airline industry, foreign airlines (such as BA) would not have to comply as they are not US companies.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 10:38 am

I have flown transatlantic 3 times now. Twice on Virgin and once on Iberia. all times in coach. All these flights were on 747s. I was tricked about the 747. I always heard stories how it was so spacy and wide. All that means is more room to pack people in. For the rest of my travelling I will now try to avoid a 747. They just cram too many people in it. Then there's always the person that says, "Hey man, you get what you pay for." Well let me tell you, I would have no problem paying more to compensate for 9 abrest and a couple more inches of pitch. Business class is too rediculously expensive to even consider. The price goes from $600 to $6000 r/t coach to business. What happen to the gap between there? Well at least Virgin has PTVs, Iberia was a different story. I would think the best a/c to go long range is a 767. It is just barely a wide body and though the seats may be as narrow as a 747, it feels a lot roomier.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 11:36 am

I have flown transatlantic 4 times, twice with Continental, once with Delta, and once with Sabena, all in coach class. I have never flown first class or business class before, so I can't really compare by experience. However, my experiences crossing the Atlantic in coach haven't been that bad. Continental's service was very impressive in my opinion. The seats were comfortable, the food was on the most part very good, and the service could not be beat. The same goes for the flight I was on with Sabena. Delta wasn't very good, but they got me there in one piece. All in all, it would be nice to have added legroom and space, but I am satisfied with what is currently offered in coach by the airlines on transatlantic flights.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 12:14 pm

coach has always been bad, but nowadays i find that buisness is also getting bad. you still pay allot of money, but the food is still auwfull and the rolls could be used to break a window incase of an emergency. the set pitch is also become a problem (wonder why aa is going to start haveing "more room in buisness" to go with the "more room in coach") i find that nowadays companys make seats smaller and say that they are ergonomic but that is bs. aa needs to take out the beloved footrests because they are almost not usable when the person in front has his chair reclined. Seems only first class gets the good seats but very few people are ready to shell out more then 6 grand for a seat.

BTW- i will be flying coach class on lan chile and then american when i go back home in a few days. ill be sure to right a trip report and compare the 2 airlines(seat pitch)
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 12:53 pm

I have flown serveral times in economy on 13 hour journeys (LON-HKG, LON-SIN, FRA-MNL). Yes the seats are narrow and you are fighting for elbow space on the armrest but that is why those big comfy chairs 'Up the front' cost more money to sit in. Long sector Y class travel is OK as long as you have prepared yourself with a decent book, NO handluggage (extra stretching space for your legs) and an empty bladder. I agree that the regulatory bodies have no jurisdiction here - this is the airline's domain to make the cost of fast travel comensurate with comfort and convenience. The airlines are doing a good job these days in learning about customer needs and those that slip up in their focus on the customer soon feel the results in their P&L. Free personal inflight entertainment is generally available on all long hauls with the major European and Asian carriers and that helps tremendously in passing the time for 'back of the bus' passengers and adding value. As an airline customer I am now more selective in which carrier flys me in Y... and that results in better services from all the players.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 6:27 pm

I have flown on FRA-JFK-FRA route with PIA B747-200 and B747-300 in economy. I felt really tired after the flight: the plane was full, there was a smoking area, no much legroom, the seats were small and uncomfortable and we had a few screaming kids on board.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 7:48 pm

British Airways is introducing World Traveller Plus. A Plus ticket from LHR-NYC will cost about 1000 Euros.

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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 8:14 pm

FAA has only to regulate security matters and NOTHING else!!! (only for the US airlines and for the flights to the US, altough many countries follow the FAA)
It is up to the airlines to set standarts. Swissair for example has PTVs on all (not sure if already all MD 11s are equiped) long haul aircrafts in economy. It is up to the passengers to chose the airline.
I agree with you, I hate economy class, but business is often very expensiv. I try to get upgraded with my Qualiflyer miles.
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Tue Jun 20, 2000 8:47 pm

What kind of airlines do you fly?????

I have nothing bad to say about spending 11 hrs in TG's economy. Good legromm etc. and i felt fresh when i got of the plane. I'm usually more tired after a 4hrs charter flight.
Also i don't felt anything to the jetlag everybody is talking about. Redy for a new day when i got of the plane in the morning after sleeping about 2 out of 10 hrs.

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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Wed Jun 21, 2000 12:24 am

I think that there are a lot of airlines that are very expensive and have only a very small legroom, like Qantas for exemple or SIA (31 inch/81 cm) .So people who are very tall should choose an airline which is cheaper and offers a much better Service, like MH, TG or NZ for example(all 34 inch/86,5cm)
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RE: Economy Class International-what You Think

Wed Jun 21, 2000 1:15 am

Economy (coach) class is luxurious compared to charter travel, I flew Virgin in a 747 LGW-BOS and AF CDG-LAX-SFO-CDG 777, 747, ok the seats arn't armchairs but they are hugh compared to charter airlines. I flew Britannia 767-200ER from HUY-SFB Via Shannon, the seating config is supposed to be 2-3-2, Britannia use 2-4-2 ONE EXTRA SEAT in the row.

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