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June 30th And B6

Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:48 pm

With B6 starting many new routes on June 30th, how have they collected the aircraft to start these routes.? Are they going to maximize utilisation of currently in service aircraft? Or are they starting all these routes with brand new aircraft?

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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:48 am

Hi GoBlue. That is a good question. A lot of the upcoming cities are E190 cities (RDU, CLT, PIT) which we do have spare a/c for. As for some of the A320 stuff happening (SYR - MCO, BUR - MCO, etc.), while we do typically have 1 spare a/c at JFK and LGB I have a feeling with the pull back on some of the transcon routes and the future changeover for the PWM flight from an A320 to an E190. Our goal right now is to fly the E190 more than what it is doing now to maximize revenue potential (from what I remember hearing). We're covered...don't worry.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:35 am

That sounds great, now with the addition of the JFK-CUN market, there is some more A320 service, hopefully they do not totally slash the idea of the transcons, they rae beneficial for everyone, however they do not yield the revenue the business people do.

I think B6 will be ok, any rumours of new cities yet?

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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Hi GoBlue. That is a good question. A lot of the upcoming cities are E190 cities (RDU, CLT, PIT) which we do have spare a/c for. As for some of the A320 stuff happening (SYR - MCO, BUR - MCO, etc.), while we do typically have 1 spare a/c at JFK and LGB I have a feeling with the pull back on some of the transcon routes and the future changeover for the PWM flight from an A320 to an E190. Our goal right now is to fly the E190 more than what it is doing now to maximize revenue potential (from what I remember hearing). We're covered...don't worry.

We also have one spare in FLL. Its always parked in the Remote spot next to Spirit.
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:14 am

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 2):
any rumours of new cities yet?

Tonight I was told from a pilot to expect an announcement of three new markets that start with a "St."...As always, take it with a grain of salt. We'll see...

As far as E190 utilization....I'm assuming we're using the aircraft more as the reliability goes up. The lines for the E190 are getting more attractive. In the beginning, it was something most f/a's tried to avoid due to the lack of productivity. For July, the lines look much, MUCH better for us.
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:21 am

Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 5):
Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively. Robert NWDC10

You would think that, but loads on JFK-BUF are very good. Correct me if im wrong, but I think there is 7x daily on A320 to BUF.
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 5):
Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively. Robert NWDC10

I would think it has to do with capacity...not really range.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:40 am

I've heard that St. Thomas and St. Louis are two of the cities that will be announced soon.... I don't know what the third would be.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:48 am

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 8):
I've heard that St. Thomas and St. Louis are two of the cities that will be announced soon.... I don't know what the third would be.

St. Petersburg/Clearwater (PIE) to supplement their TPA traffic  Big grin

Seriously, St. Croix (STX) maybe ?
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 1:49 pm

I was told tonight, Minneapolis/St. Paul and/or St. Louis- St. Thomas - and St. Maarten
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 10):
I was told tonight, Minneapolis/St. Paul and/or St. Louis- St. Thomas - and St. Maarten

I highly doubt MSP, though I think B6 would do very well there. The latter 3 are most likely the three "St." destinations being referred to.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 10:33 pm

According to station mgr Tisdale at Richmond, B6 flts have been running full and they are looking to add more. My guess is they may substitute a few 320s if loads are that good, thus freeing up the 190s for other startup routes.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:45 pm

Quoting Lowecur (Reply 12):
According to station mgr Tisdale at Richmond, B6 flts have been running full and they are looking to add more. My guess is they may substitute a few 320s if loads are that good, thus freeing up the 190s for other startup routes.

Unfortunately, this is not true. The station manager basically had to say that in order to get the local population more excited about B6. However, in reality, the RIC flights have been performing poorly both load- and yield-wise.

B6 was selling JFK-RIC at $59 o/w and BOS-RIC at $69 o/w even well past the inauguration of the service. Just recently the fares went up to $74 o/w (JFK) and $84 o/w (BOS). Perhaps this suggests some strengthening as we enter the summer travel season, though I think it has more to do with the hypothesis that more revenue will be collected via higher fares instead of higher loads.

In any case, I do not see RIC being grown at all until loads pick up. I think this was expected, however, as RIC isn't a huge city and B6 is a new entrant. It should take awhile before word of mouth becomes a huge marketing concept for B6 in that market.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 5):
Why not have B6 use E190's on short thin routes and the A320's on the long heavily traveled routes? Within New York State they should use E190's exclusively.

Not really BUF has 8X a day with 7 on the 320 and then 1 on the 190 and then ROC has about 5X 320 service and SYR has 4X-with 3 320 flights and a 190 flight starting soon.

Quoting Tmarch291 (Reply 6):
You would think that, but loads on JFK-BUF are very good. Correct me if im wrong, but I think there is 7x daily on A320 to BUF.

Right, they have 8X total with 7 of them 320.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13):
In any case, I do not see RIC being grown at all until loads pick up. I think this was expected, however, as RIC isn't a huge city and B6 is a new entrant. It should take awhile before word of mouth becomes a huge marketing concept for B6 in that market.

Well I disagree, because in WMUPilot's trip report he was an FA for some RIC routes and he said the loads were very poor in the beginning but he checked the system and looks like the summer flights have high bookings and they may add 320's into the market. I am flying this route probably in July so I will see if it is right.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 9):
Seriously, St. Croix (STX) maybe ?

The market could not support daily service that is for sure.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
Well I disagree, because in WMUPilot's trip report he was an FA for some RIC routes and he said the loads were very poor in the beginning but he checked the system and looks like the summer flights have high bookings and they may add 320's into the market. I am flying this route probably in July so I will see if it is right.

Of course...it is true that loads will be higher this summer. That's a given for every route. However, April and May had very poor loads as did most of June. While I'm sure July and August will perform just fine (hence the higher fares), though I don't suspect A320s would be put onto this route, the real test is once September comes around.

I'm sure it's too early to tell how RIC will perform. I'm sure it's be a money-maker once B6 becomes more popular, but as of now it's not doing too great.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:39 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
Right, they have 8X total with 7 of them 320.

I thought they switched the 190 flight back to a 320, their site is listing all 8 flights as 320's right now. And from being on many B6 BUF flights I can tell you they are always busy.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:00 am

The 8th flight has been switched to an A320 for the summer. The 4th BTV has been switched to an A320 as well, though IMO that was a bad decision.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 3):
We also have one spare in FLL. Its always parked in the Remote spot next to Spirit.

Oooops, forgot about that one! I knew I was missing something! Thanks for clearing the cobwebs out of head!

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 11):
I highly doubt MSP, though I think B6 would do very well there.

Good point. I agree.

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
I am flying this route probably in July so I will see if it is right.

Let us know how it goes!
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 14):
Well I disagree, because in WMUPilot's trip report he was an FA for some RIC routes and he said the loads were very poor in the beginning but he checked the system and looks like the summer flights have high bookings and they may add 320's into the market

Very poor in the beginning, full enough to upgrade to 320's...I think not. The loads are still just 'o.k.' A320's arent going near RIC for quite sometime. PWM is the one that looks to be making the best improvement. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep an A320 on one of the flights.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 13):
Unfortunately, this is not true. The station manager basically had to say that in order to get the local population more excited about B6. However, in reality, the RIC flights have been performing poorly both load- and yield-wise

JetBluefan1 is right on the money.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:28 am

Can someone tell me how the upcoming CLT and RDU flights are looking thus far? Please, please, puuuurty please?
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:12 am

Richmond has received a $975,000 small airport grant that they are using to promote both AirTran and Jetblue. I believe some of the money will also be used to reduce landing/gate fees similar to what is being done in SYR. Part of the deal for the n/s MCO and extra JFK flt was an 18 month subsidy on these expenses. B6 probably lost money the first few months at Richmond due to poor loads and start up costs, but I see that station being in the black for 2006 when the subsidies are added in.
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
Can someone tell me how the upcoming CLT and RDU flights are looking thus far? Please, please, puuuurty please?

I don't work for B6 or have actual data, but it looks like the bookings are doing very well. JFK-CLT will be a steep $94 o/w, which will provide excellent yields for B6. However, the bookings seem very strong on this route. JFK-RDU is also booking up very well even though it still starts a month from now. That route starts at $84 o/w (why's CLT cheaper?), which is also a good price for B6 to make money on.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 23):
(why's CLT cheaper?)

Probably because of US, and their presence in both CLT and NYC.
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 23):
why's CLT cheaper?

it's not.

RDU-JFK is $84
CLT-JFK is $94

CLT is more expensive..
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting GoBlue (Thread starter):
With B6 starting many new routes on June 30th, how have they collected the aircraft to start these routes.?

They're all stored in boxes at the JFK Hangar. The night before, employees are called in for OT and given air pumps. Here's a shot of one ready for service  Smile

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 23):
I don't work for B6 or have actual data, but it looks like the bookings are doing very well.

If you neither work for the company nor have actual data, how exactly is it that the bookings would look like they are doing wery well?! Did David Neeleman speak to you in a dream or something?
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 25):
it's not.

RDU-JFK is $84
CLT-JFK is $94

CLT is more expensive..

Woops. I meant to say RDU is cheaper. My bad.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 27):
If you neither work for the company nor have actual data, how exactly is it that the bookings would look like they are doing wery well?! Did David Neeleman speak to you in a dream or something?

You basically have to look at the fares for future bookings. If a fare is past the base fare ($84 - RDU, $94 - CLT), it usually means that the plane is beginning to fill up. On days such as Fridays and Sundays, there are fewer seats available at this fare, and some flights start at two or three buckets up from the base fare. Therefore, you really have to use judgement when evaluating such flights.

I've been following JetBlue's loads like this for about 3 years now. I usually check fares for the next day's flights. For example, I can tell you that tomorrow's BOS-AUS flight is about 85% sold out. One of tomorrow's RIC-JFK's has less than 9 seats left, while two others are about 88-90% sold, while the 6:00am departure is 70% full at best.

I've grown to really learn this system quite well. While it's not completely accurate, sometimes you just have to use your best judgement. However, when I have seen hard data directly from B6 or the DOT, I'd say that I do a pretty good job with my estimates.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting NiagaraFlyer (Reply 17):
I thought they switched the 190 flight back to a 320, their site is listing all 8 flights as 320's right now. And from being on many B6 BUF flights I can tell you they are always busy.

Oh that's even better! My dad used to fly that route a lot for business and said it was always full.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 18):
The 4th BTV has been switched to an A320 as well, though IMO that was a bad decision.

Well my cousin flies BTV-JFK-ROC a lot to go home and she does BTV-JFK do visit my other cousins/her sisters in the city and she said those flight also are very full also. I think it will do well because she said it does well everytime she does it.

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 20):
I wouldn't be surprised if they keep an A320 on one of the flights.

Thay already are switching them to the 190's in the fall. For example if the flight is flight 601 it will be 1601 for the fall/winter and be a 190 flight. They made this decsion and it has been in the bookings since a while back. The 320 will come back though and hapefully they will have 320's during peak times in the winter on PWM.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:26 pm

Any thoughts on how CLT service will do compared with that of PIT?
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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:32 pm

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 11):
I highly doubt MSP, though I think B6 would do very well there.

Why wouldn't they go to MSP? NW has a virtual monopoly on NYC-MSP flights, and B6's product is far superior to NWs. Granted, NW has the frequent flier loyalty, but there should be enough traffic from NYC to make the route work. There must be a good reason why they wouldn't go there, but I'd be interested in knowing what that reason is.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
There must be a good reason why they wouldn't go there

One word: NW.

NW has been known to be quite the protector of its turf when it comes to those who encroach on its territory (ie: F9 LAX-MSP and DH IAD-LAN). As NW is now in bankrupcy, I'm not sure if their competitive reaction will be as strong. Nevertheless, it's never easy to enter a major airline's key hub.

Do I think B6's product is superior? Yes. Does MSP need a competing carrier? Yes. B6 could make it work through lots of advertising and by getting many New Yorkers on those flights. It's going to take awhile for the route to warm up if it ever does happen, IMO.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:09 pm

JetBluefan1,


Is B6 able to connect long beach with denver, phoenix, seattle and portland, also there is sacramento and oakland. I am at a loss as to why they would not connect all there western stations to one "mini hub". Also the LA area can probably support it!

Thanks for your insight, as for the the NW and MSP argument. B6 is going to have to pick a legacy to chase around the country, and i am not sure B6 is the one you want to do. I would think AA, since they have been unable to mount any credible reaction to much of what B6 has done in the past! Just my 2 cents

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:15 pm

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 33):
Is B6 able to connect long beach with denver, phoenix, seattle and portland, also there is sacramento and oakland. I am at a loss as to why they would not connect all there western stations to one "mini hub". Also the LA area can probably support it!

B6 only has 30 slots at LGB to use and they are all in use. They decreased JFK flights but added those to the SMF flights and they increased BOS and IAD for the summer but they are pretty full in LGB. BUR will see expansion from B6 and maybe SAN but not LGB expansion anymore.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
we do typically have 1 spare a/c at JFK and LGB

Just 1 at JFK? Perhaps 1 dedicated spare but if a B6 plane were to have MX troubles, JFK would be the best place to have it at...

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 3):
We also have one spare in FLL. Its always parked in the Remote spot next to Spirit.

I've always wondered how this works...Does it just sit there all day and then get sent back into the system at night (while another aircraft sits there the next day)?? Or do they only keep her there for a few hours at a time?

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 4):
For July, the lines look much, MUCH better for us.

How so? Just because some of the 190 flights are longer now?

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 34):
B6 only has 30 slots at LGB to use and they are all in use. They decreased JFK flights but added those to the SMF flights and they increased BOS and IAD for the summer but they are pretty full in LGB. BUR will see expansion from B6 and maybe SAN but not LGB expansion anymore.

Any word on more gates at BUR coming through?
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:03 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 35):
Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 3):
We also have one spare in FLL. Its always parked in the Remote spot next to Spirit.

I've always wondered how this works...Does it just sit there all day and then get sent back into the system at night (while another aircraft sits there the next day)?? Or do they only keep her there for a few hours at a time?

Well it sits around all day till 1hr prior to the OAK flight leaving, Then it comes back at around 8am and sit again till 6:15pm or so. If we have a mechanical on one plane they send that spare out while they fix the broken one. I've seen this spare go to TPA and RSW alot also, just a quick 25min flight.
 
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 35):
Any word on more gates at BUR coming through?

Last I heard, B6 is supposed to get a second and third gate. I think the chances are good considering that B6 is showing to be the only real interested carrier in expanding BUR ops. (ie: 5th flight to JFK, MCO and LAS service commencing soon). If JetBlue gets what it wants, I think BUR could be their most profitable station on a per-flight basis; BUR-JFK is absolutely amazing from what I've heard.

Quoting GoBlue (Reply 33):
Is B6 able to connect long beach with denver, phoenix, seattle and portland, also there is sacramento and oakland. I am at a loss as to why they would not connect all there western stations to one "mini hub". Also the LA area can probably support it!

As JetBlueAtJFK stated, B6 only has a limited amount of slots to work with at LGB: 28 (27 of which are currently being used). I think service to PHX, SEA and PDX would be great additions for B6 at LGB, but I don't think we'll see such expansion in the near-term.

However, the FAA has stated that LGB *may* need to be used for increased traffic come 2011 because of the evergrowing demand for air travel. I don't have many details on this just yet, but from what I know, the FAA has the right to overrule the city's noise ordinance (which is the source of the slot program) and allow for more flights.

Should be interesting...

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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:11 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
Any thoughts on how CLT service will do compared with that of PIT?

I think CLT is going to do very well, maybe even better than PIT! I do think B6 will be profitable in both cities however. B6 in my opinion is going to see a lot of traffic PIT-BOS. 2x daily is not going to be enough.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 37):
Last I heard, B6 is supposed to get a second and third gate. I think the chances are good considering that B6 is showing to be the only real interested carrier in expanding BUR ops. (ie: 5th flight to JFK, MCO and LAS service commencing soon). If JetBlue gets what it wants, I think BUR could be their most profitable station on a per-flight basis; BUR-JFK is absolutely amazing from what I've heard.

I've heard that as well. It seems like they struck a gold mine there....Hopefully they will get more gates soon and turn it into a nice focus city.

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Reply 36):
Well it sits around all day till 1hr prior to the OAK flight leaving, Then it comes back at around 8am and sit again till 6:15pm or so. If we have a mechanical on one plane they send that spare out while they fix the broken one. I've seen this spare go to TPA and RSW alot also, just a quick 25min flight.

Interesting...So the spare aircraft operates the OAK flight out at night? Do you know where it comes from in the morning?

How often does B6 have mechanicals at a station like FLL anyhow?
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 32):
NW has been known to be quite the protector of its turf when it comes to those who encroach on its territory (ie: F9 LAX-MSP and DH IAD-LAN). As NW is now in bankrupcy, I'm not sure if their competitive reaction will be as strong. Nevertheless, it's never easy to enter a major airline's key hub.

Do I think B6's product is superior? Yes. Does MSP need a competing carrier? Yes. B6 could make it work through lots of advertising and by getting many New Yorkers on those flights. It's going to take awhile for the route to warm up if it ever does happen, IMO.

Yes, NW still likes protecting its turf at all costs despite Ch. 11... chances are that they wouldn't have started IND-SFO if FL didn't start beforehand.

If B6 even considers MSP, they need to factor in the strong possibility of NW increasing capacity to/from JFK. If B6 starts MSP-JFK with 4-6x daily E190 flights, I could see NW going from 3x daily A319s as it is right now to 8-10x daily... and adding triple WorldPerks miles, too.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 35):
Any word on more gates at BUR coming through?

They have A8 and A9 and they still have room to grow and possibly some more later on.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 37):
B6 is supposed to get a second and third gate.

They already have 2 Gates so your mean 3rd and 4th probably.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 38):
I think CLT is going to do very well, maybe even better than PIT! I do think B6 will be profitable in both cities however. B6 in my opinion is going to see a lot of traffic PIT-BOS. 2x daily is not going to be enough.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
Why wouldn't they go to MSP? NW has a virtual monopoly on NYC-MSP flights, and B6's product is far superior to NWs. Granted, NW has the frequent flier loyalty, but there should be enough traffic from NYC to make the route work. There must be a good reason why they wouldn't go there, but I'd be interested in knowing what that reason is.



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 32):
NW has been known to be quite the protector of its turf when it comes to those who encroach on its territory (ie: F9 LAX-MSP and DH IAD-LAN). As NW is now in bankrupcy, I'm not sure if their competitive reaction will be as strong. Nevertheless, it's never easy to enter a major airline's key hub.

Do I think B6's product is superior? Yes. Does MSP need a competing carrier? Yes. B6 could make it work through lots of advertising and by getting many New Yorkers on those flights. It's going to take awhile for the route to warm up if it ever does happen, IMO.



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 40):
If B6 even considers MSP, they need to factor in the strong possibility of NW increasing capacity to/from JFK. If B6 starts MSP-JFK with 4-6x daily E190 flights, I could see NW going from 3x daily A319s as it is right now to 8-10x daily... and adding triple WorldPerks miles, too.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:18 am

NW doesnt mess around - look what they did to F9 when they tried to open up LAX-MSP... not only did they compete on that route, NW went ahead and turned LAX into their own little focus city as well. They've also gone on to compete with Midwest and other airlines out of IND, OMA, MKE, and IAD adding point-to-point service from these cities if I remember correctly...
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting JetMARC (Reply 44):
NW doesnt mess around - look what they did to F9 when they tried to open up LAX-MSP... not only did they compete on that route, NW went ahead and turned LAX into their own little focus city as well. They've also gone on to compete with Midwest and other airlines out of IND, OMA, MKE, and IAD adding point-to-point service from these cities if I remember correctly...

While I am not disagreeing with you, I would also argue that this was a very stupid move by NW and probably explains why they are in the situation they are in. I'm not a big fan of dumping capacity mentality although I fully understand why airlines do it.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 35):
Just 1 at JFK? Perhaps 1 dedicated spare but if a B6 plane were to have MX troubles, JFK would be the best place to have it at...

Well, let me clarify. Normally, we will have 1 dedicated spare A320 at each "hub" (JFK, LGB, FLL). Then, you also have spare a/c for portions of the day as well. For example, we had 1 A320 available all day at JFK today along with another A320 that is available through 6:30pm or so, then it is scheduled for service. Then, you also have spare E190's at JFK and BOS. This pretty much allows us to ferry an a/c to every sector that we fly fairly quickly.
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 42):
I hope that US is up to the supreme competition then!!!

Knowing US, they will drop the route, claiming there wasn't enough traffic or something. PIT is nothing to US anymore, quite sad.

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RE: June 30th And B6

Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:25 am

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 47):
Knowing US, they will drop the route, claiming there wasn't enough traffic or something. PIT is nothing to US anymore, quite sad.

US is still quite committed to serving PIT though. It was bad airport management that essentially caused US to close up shop regarding the hub, as well as not expanding it internationally back in the 90s. USPIT10L provided a lot of information on what US wanted to do with PIT back in the 90s on a previous PIT-related thread. According to his posts, US wanted to essentially launch a lot of international service from PIT, including a PIT-NRT shortly after the new terminal opened. That route never happened because US could not secure the 767 aircraft needed to do that route. (I am not sure if the airport authority could have been any aid in that regard or not. My guess is not, but still...)

US ran into a lot of financial trouble in the 90s and the airport authority did nothing to aid them in their financial situation. They were quite aware of what US was shelling out to keep the flights and their hub operation in PIT, but they did nothing for them... In the wake of 9/11 the bottom dropped out from US, and the A.C.A.A. did nothing...

I turned the cold shoulder to US for turning theirs to PIT, but I think they had every right to do so. The county apparently gave US the cold shoulder in that regard.

Since then, now that Onorato and Kent George are in charge, I think that they know what they are doing. They both know of how vital US is to the region despite their considerably smaller presence now. US will not likely bring back any of its lost service; they are now in talks with a few other airlines to try and convince them to start service at PIT. I am looking forward to next friday nonetheless!!! It's B6 day!!! Big grin
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RE: June 30th And B6

Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 39):
I've heard that as well. It seems like they struck a gold mine there....Hopefully they will get more gates soon and turn it into a nice focus city.

I think that intime JetBlue will become larger and provide solid service in the west coast. When I state this, I mean, they will have routes that do not just fly over to the east coast.

Anyways, regarding BUR. BUR would make a great focus city but it is really close to LGB. However, even though these two airports are in close proximity I think that BUR could do wonders for B6. I have no inside sources or anything at JetBlue but maybe JetBlue is thinking about adding more service to/from Burbank. On June 30, 2006 JetBlue is starting LAS and MCO service from BUR. They also have five dailies to JFK. Perhaps if these routes do extremely well they could add 1-2 more dailies to LAS and 1 more daily to MCO and maybe there might be BUR-OAK service. I know WN operates this route and JetBlue stays away from Southwest like the black death ... but perhaps BUR could be in the making.
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