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Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:45 pm

From Bloomberg:

Cathay Pacific Airways Orders Six Boeing 747-400 Freighters

June 22, 2006 06:21 EDT -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong's largest airline, said it had ordered six Boeing Co. 747- 400 extended range freighters.

- n1786b

[Edited 2006-06-22 12:46:44]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:48 pm

 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:35 pm

why didn't they order 748Fs instead?
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:00 pm

there were threads saying there were only 5 slots left for 744s, where did the 6th come from???

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
why didn't they order 748Fs instead?

they obviously need them now and not in 2-3 years!
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:01 pm

The six new aircraft are scheduled to arrive between May 2008 and April 2009. How about B748F, what's the schedule delivery to cargolux & NCA.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
why didn't they order 748Fs instead?

These are for delivery in 2008 and 2009 so they must need the capacity sooner. Of note, it has been discussed that only 5 744 slots remained available prior to the production shift to the 748. 10 744s have been sold this year and as stated by another member about a month ago CX were considering 5.

Question is are these the last 744s to be ordered before all become 748 orders?

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:15 pm

Why have they chose PW engines instead of RR.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 6):
Why have they chose PW engines instead of RR.

CX has recently become a PW4000 operator through the ex-SIA 747s they acquired. More to the point, the RB211 isn't an option on the 747-400ERF - just a choice between GE and PW. (All previous CX 747-400s have not been the "ER" version.)
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:27 pm

the 744F is still selling quite well!!!
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:39 pm

Cathay are going to have a large 747 freighter fleet in the near future:

6 x 747-400F
6 x 747-400BCF + 6 options
6 x 747-400ERF

18-24 747-400 freighters... no wonder the freight apron is now being expanded for the THIRD time in Hong Kong!!
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:40 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 3):
there were threads saying there were only 5 slots left for 744s, where did the 6th come from???

Boeing announced a production rate increase of 50%. That means approx 18 a year instead of 12. The remaining 744 slots were agressivly marketed, and the response was more than anyone thought apparantly.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:51 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 3):
there were threads saying there were only 5 slots left for 744s, where did the 6th come from???



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):
Of note, it has been discussed that only 5 744 slots remained available prior to the production shift to the 748.

They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:11 pm

Can anyone confirm whether the 744ER was previously available with P&W engines? This is the first I have heard of it!! I was under the impression that only the GEs were available.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:24 pm

Yes certainly it was available in PW options too.

[Edited 2006-06-22 16:31:19]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 12):
Can anyone confirm whether the 744ER was previously available with P&W engines?

Yes, it is an option. CF6-80C2B5-F, PW4062, and RB211-524H8-T are options for the 744ER/ERF.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 12):
This is the first I have heard of it!! I was under the impression that only the GEs were available.

Nope, Korean Air Cargo ordered PW for their 747ERFs  Smile
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:01 am

According to Boeing`s website, only GE and PW are available on the -400ERF.

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/pf/pf_400erf_prod.html

I can`t think of any 400ER(F)s with Rollers. Cargolux have selected Rolls for the last couple of times they have ordered, but they are standard -400Fs.

I would think that if RR was an option, CX would opt for it, although I am aware of the ex- SQ birds.
Feel free to correct me, this is something I`ve been wondering about.

edit for spelling

raggi

[Edited 2006-06-22 17:02:58]
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:07 am

Quoting Mush (Reply 11):

They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.

If so, could some of the orders for those last B747-400s be converted to orders for the B787-8?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
Quoting Mush (Reply 11):

They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.

If so, could some of the orders for those last B747-400s be converted to orders for the B787-8?

No, Boeing has announced a hard cutover from 744 to 748 production in 2009. This is the reason for the production rate increase recently announced, 744 sales are above expectations, and they must get them all built before the 748 starts.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 14):
Can anyone confirm whether the 744ER was previously available with P&W engines?

Yes, it is an option. CF6-80C2B5-F, PW4062, and RB211-524H8-T are options for the 744ER/ERF.

The 524H8-T was merely a study, and not formally launched. I don't believe RR even got round to running a development version of it.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:25 am

Quoting N754PR (Reply 9):
6 x 747-400F
6 x 747-400BCF + 6 options
6 x 747-400ERF

Dont forget the 200s, a wet leased A30B, Dragon's 200s/300s/BCFs (to come), Dragon's wetleased A30B, a couple of wet leased 200s, AHK's A306, that's a combined fleet of ~40 freighters.

Oh and the overnight A333 frieghters...
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:26 am

Yes I just remembered that the Koreans were P&W powered!! Does anyone remember Boeing talking about GE exclusivity when the 744ER was launched?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 19):
Dont forget the 200s, a wet leased A30B, Dragon's 200s/300s/BCFs (to come), Dragon's wetleased A30B, a couple of wet leased 200s, AHK's A306, that's a combined fleet of ~40 freighters.

True, but none are 744s, which is what the list was about...
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:46 am

Qantas' 744ERs are GE-powered I believe, in an otherwise RR-powered fleet.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 22):
Qantas' 744ERs are GE-powered I believe, in an otherwise RR-powered fleet

Correct, and they also have three ex MH -400s with GE engines. The remainder are RR.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 5):

As PanamDC10 said

That gives clues as to what CP will replace their 744's with. Would the A38F's have been deliovered quite so soon

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 20):
Does anyone remember Boeing talking about GE exclusivity when the 744ER was launched?

Just the pax version. QF is the only airline to operate it, and the majority of their 744s are RR, as are their 743s. They have a few (2?) ex-MH 744s with GE engines, IIRC.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting Mush (Reply 11):
They will probably build both 747-400 and the 747-8series on the same line for a year or two to fill any unfilled 747-400 orders just like they did with the 737.



Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 17):
No, Boeing has announced a hard cutover from 744 to 748 production in 2009. This is the reason for the production rate increase recently announced, 744 sales are above expectations, and they must get them all built before the 748 starts.

So they are going to start pumping out only the 748 in 2009?
That would mean that by the time that they finish flight testing the first one off of the line, several more would already be sitting around ready to go right?
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:23 am

Interesting, and surprising news. The 747-400ERF is a lot cheaper than the 747-8F, that surely explains the run to get the last ones.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 26):
That would mean that by the time that they finish flight testing the first one off of the line, several more would already be sitting around ready to go right?

Yes, SOP for Boeing and Airbus. Plan on seen many 787s manufatured while testing and certification happen also.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 28):
Yes, SOP for Boeing and Airbus. Plan on seen many 787s manufatured while testing and certification happen also.

Thanks!
That really helps me with the mental logistics picture.

Here' the announcement from Boeing:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/news/2006/q2/060622c_nr.html

SEATTLE, June 22, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] and Cathay Pacific Airways today announced the Hong Kong-based airline has ordered six Boeing 747-400ER (Extended Range) Freighters.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:18 am

Great news for Boeing and CX. Keep the line open a few more years. Big grin
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 25):
They have a few (2?) ex-MH 744s with GE engines, IIRC.

3 to be exact, 744 with GE ex MH

VH-OEB
VH-OEC
VH OEd

than there are 6 744ER`S

VH-OEE
VH-OEF
VH-OEG
VH-OEH
VH-OEI
VH-OEJ

and finally the original 744`s with RR

VH-OJA
VH-OJB
VH-OJC
VH-OJD
VH-OJE
VH-OJF
VH-OJG
VH-OJH
VH-OJI
VH-OJJ
VH-OJK
VH-OJL
VH-OJM
VH-OJN
VH-OJO
VH-OJP
VH-OJQ
VH-OJR
VH-OJS
VH-OJT
VH-OJU

Thats it :d

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:34 am

On the "Orders Forum", it is being reported that CX has found their SQ machines to be real money makers with the P&Ws hanging underneath. Quite remarkable for a company that used to swear by RR. Does anyone have a comprehensive list for Cathay Pacific's freighter fleet? Also, will these new 744ERFs replace older -200Fs?

The 747-400ER is only available with P&W or GE engines. There is no RR alternative.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:07 pm

Great news! Congratulations to Boeing and CX!

Quoting CX747 (Reply 32):
Also, will these new 744ERFs replace older -200Fs?

I would imagine so! I thought CX wanted all 742F's retired by the end of 2009 or somewhere around there.

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 31):
3 to be exact, 744 with GE ex MH

VH-OEB
VH-OEC
VH OEd



Quoting Raggi (Reply 23):

Correct, and they also have three ex MH -400s with GE engines.

VH-OEB is actually ex Asiana. A 747-48E.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:28 pm

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 33):
Does anyone have a comprehensive list for Cathay Pacific's freighter fleet? Also, will these new 744ERFs replace older -200Fs?

Currently Cathay has the following B747F's in their fleet:
6 x B747-400F (RR Powered)
1 x B747-400BCF (P&W Powered - converted ex-SIA)
1 x B747-200SF (RR Powered - converted CX aircraft)
3 x B747-200F (RR Powered)
3 x B747-200SF (GE Powered - converted ex-Varig)

In addition, Cathay has an additional 4 x ex-SIA B747-400 which are still to be converted into -400BCF. One is currently undergoing conversion to be completed in July.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:00 pm

Btw, which CX freighter is the next to be stripped, now that B-HMD is finished:

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=&picid=2964

I they continue at this pace, CX whole freighter fleet is in shiny silver in a year.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:29 pm

Darn!! The old gal is still the Hot Ticket in Town. Well done Boeing. I wish I had your marketing skill.  Smile
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting TL925 (Reply 34):
1 x B747-400BCF (P&W Powered - converted ex-SIA)

This aircraft is actually a former CX pax aircraft, B-HOU.

Quoting TL925 (Reply 34):
In addition, Cathay has an additional 4 x ex-SIA B747-400 which are still to be converted into -400BCF. One is currently undergoing conversion to be completed in July.

3 more to be delivered actually, 3 now in PAX fleet already.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:11 pm

The next BCF will be delivered next month. B-HKH will be our first 747-400BCF with P&W engines.

As for the next 742F to be done...I am not sure I will try and find out.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:29 pm

Quoting NA (Reply 35):
CX whole freighter fleet is in shiny silver in a year.

NA: If my eyes are correct, you are the only one who said anything about the livery. As I looked at the Boeing press release w/ photo, I noticed the 744 does indeed has a silver fuselage. I had no idea that CX had already decidedly planned for the whole freighter fleet to the silver look...I thought the jury was still out on that topic. Interesting. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060622c_nr.html
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:10 am

The next B742F to be stripped and polished will be B-HVZ.
The whole fleet of CX Cargo will be stripped and polished shine in time to come.

[Edited 2006-06-23 17:17:54]
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:09 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 37):
3 more to be delivered actually, 3 now in PAX fleet already.

B-HKD
B-HKE
B-HKF

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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:34 pm

Here is the current and possible CX 747 Fleet.

Rego/ Engine/ Type

HMD CF6-50 -200SF (ex AHK/Varig)
HME CF6-50 -200SF (ex AHK/Varig)
HMF CF6-50 -200SF (ex AHK/Varig)

HIH RB211-524D4 -200SF (ex CX pax)

HVY RB211-524D4 -200F (ex BA, G-KILO)
HVX RB211-524D4 -200F
HVZ RB211-524D4 -200F

HOO RB211-524G-T -400
HOP RB211-524G-T -400
HOR RB211-524G-T -400
HOS RB211-524G-T -400
HOT RB211-524G-T -400
HOU RB211-524G-T -400BCF (ex CX pax)
HOV RB211-524G-T -400
HOW RB211-524G-T -400
HOX RB211-524G-T -400
HOY RB211-524G-T -400
HOZ RB211-524G-T -400
HUA RB211-524G-T -400
HUB RB211-524G-T -400
HUD RB211-524G-T -400
HUE RB211-524G-T -400
HUF RB211-524G-T -400
HUG RB211-524G-T -400
HUH RB211-524G-T -400F
HUI RB211-524G-T -400
HUJ RB211-524G-T -400
HUK RB211-524G-T -400F
HUL RB211-524G-T -400F
HUO RB211-524G-T -400F
HUP RB211-524G-T -400F
HUQ RB211-524G-T -400F
HUR ???
HUS ???
HKD PW4056 -400 (ex-SIA)
HKE PW4056 -400 (ex-SIA)
HKF PW4056 -400 (ex-SIA)

HKH PW4056 -400BCF (ex-SIA arrives in July)
HKJ RB211-524G-T -400BCF (ex-SAA arrives Sept. Could have a different Rego)
HKS ???? -400BCF
HKT ???? -400BCF
HKU ???? -400BCF

BCF options as stated (These could be current CX pax A/C).

???? -400BCF
???? -400BCF
???? -400BCF
???? -400BCF
???? -400BCF
???? -400BCF

Recent Order to arrive between May 2008 and April 2009

???? PW4062A -400ERF
???? PW4062A -400ERF
???? PW4062A -400ERF
???? PW4062A -400ERF
???? PW4062A -400ERF
???? PW4062A -400ERF

CCA
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RE: Cathay Pacific Orders 6 747F

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:48 pm

The EX-SAA B744 will not be B-HKJ. She will be B-HUR. Following the trend that RR engines will have HO* or HU* and PW 744s will have the reg as HK*

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