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Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:18 am

I thought this was a very amazing pic. I had started a thread a while ago asking if the An 225 contrailed, and now I finally have my answer.   


http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=416252

Here's another: http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=190098

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:28 am

That sure is a unique contrail.  Smile

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:38 am

Pretty cool. Too bad there are not more of those cruising the skies.  wideeyed 
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting WorldXplorer (Reply 2):
Too bad there are not more of those cruising the skies.

What happened to the sole aircraft that was flying?

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:46 pm

Quoting American777 (Reply 3):
What happened to the sole aircraft that was flying?

It's still flying revenue cargo flights through Antonov for many carriers on a charter basis. However, there was another one to be built, but it's never been completed.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:51 pm

Big version: Width: 1248 Height: 972 File size: 107kb
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:47 pm

why not just use the 225 as an airliner lol?
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:56 pm

CF188A, the hull is only partly pressurized if I recall right. there´s place for 80
people on top deck I think?
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:02 pm

Put an extra floor in and several hundred seats convert to 4 Trent 1000s, might be out before the A380!  Smile lol. What would it look like in QF livery!
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:31 pm

Perhaps a silly question, but is the 225 the only aircraft flying today with 6 turbofan engines on it other than the B-52 which doesnt count in my opinion  Smile

Sometimes looking at that plane it just looks..........odd, like there is editing to the picture to add the extra engine on each wing. Still a great looking aircraft in my opinion though.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:34 pm

My question is how do you push with the dual nose gear?
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting Jbmflyer (Reply 9):
Perhaps a silly question, but is the 225 the only aircraft flying today with 6 turbofan engines on it other than the B-52 which doesnt count in my opinion

B-52 has eight.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Dw747400 (Reply 11):

B-52 has eight.

Yeah, should have rephrased that. I meant to say 6 or more which is where the B-52 comes in. Sorry
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:06 am

Any news about the second AN225 ?
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 7):
CF188A, the hull is only partly pressurized if I recall right. there´s place for 80
people on top deck I think?

Pretty sure the lower deck is pressurised, because they can carry livestock down there.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 10):
My question is how do you push with the dual nose gear?

There is a special tow-bar. The Antonov 124 also has dual nose-gear...
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting Danimarroquin (Reply 13):
Any news about the second AN225 ?

So far, it appears to be half-complete, though the following pic is 2 years old:

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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Ignatiy Savranskiy


But then again, there haven't been any news on any new progress, so we can only guess at the state she's in...
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:59 am

The 225 was built to carry the Russian shuttle which is approximately the same size as the US shuttle.Why does the 225 need 6 engines whereas the US one is carried on a 747 with only 4 engines.
Can someone shed light on this?
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting Comet4b (Reply 17):
The 225 was built to carry the Russian shuttle which is approximately the same size as the US shuttle.Why does the 225 need 6 engines whereas the US one is carried on a 747 with only 4 engines.

The AN-225 was also designed to carry other pieces of the Buran stack, not just the shuttle, and thats where the extra lifting power came in.

Basically it was designed more as a generic lifting vehicle that could also carry the Buran, rather than a specialist lifting vehicle that could only carry the Buran.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 16):
So far, it appears to be half-complete,

Previous posters (in other threads) have claimed that all the major parts exist and it's mostly a matter of assembly to get the second aircraft flying. That may be making the job sound easier than it really is.

OTOH, it may be that the single aircraft isn't profitable enough to make the second one worth completing. That would be a pity, since it's such an impressive plane.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:25 am

It will cost more these days to complete an An225 than it did when they made the first one. Same problem with the new A124. The ones that exited are cash cows, they cost little to nothing because they were available from the Military and can be hired out on charters for real money with crews that make a fraction of what their western counterparts make.

That business model cannot last forever. But there is still a high demand for that kind of uplift.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20):
It will cost more these days to complete an An225 than it did when they made the first one. Same problem with the new A124. The ones that exited are cash cows, they cost little to nothing because they were available from the Military and can be hired out on charters for real money with crews that make a fraction of what their western counterparts make.

Problem with all AN-124s produced before 2001 is that they are only rated for 7,500 hours - the -100 series upgrade brings them up to 24,000 hours.

Many companies are upgrading their AN-124s to the new standard and orders are still being placed for new aircraft.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:20 am

Comet6, the engines aren´t as good as the Boeing is fitted with. The Buran was smaller than the US space shuttle.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 22):
Comet6, the engines aren´t as good as the Boeing is fitted with. The Buran was smaller than the US space shuttle.

The SCA is fitted with 4 JT9D-7J turbofans at about 53,000lb of thrust each, while the AN-225 is fitted with 6 Lotarev D-18 turbofans at about 52,000lb of thrust each.

Not exactly a difference worth quibbling over.

As I said before, the AN-225 was designed to carry other components of the Buran stack, including the boosters, which is why its rated to carry so much more than the SCA.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:37 am

I'd love to know what they make of those contrails on Chemtail Central but it's such a mess these days it's difficult to know where to look.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:50 am

What is the range of that thing in miles?
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 25):
What is the range of that thing in miles?

2425nm with maximum payload of 551,000lb, 8700nm with no payload.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:18 am

What a beast! If Shaq were an airplane, he'd be a AN-225!

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:26 am

Damn....the Russians sure know how to do BIG.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:26 am

Quote:
My question is how do you push with the dual nose gear?




Its quite the process..the 225 and the 124 both have special towbars, which are flown with the aircraft. So You push it out, then load the towbar on the aircraft.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 27):
What a beast! If Shaq were an airplane, he'd be a AN-225!

Gus

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 30):
Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 27):
What a beast! If Shaq were an airplane, he'd be a AN-225!

Gus

Who would be the 380?

Louie Anderson.

Gus

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:18 am

What are the main differences between the An225 and its little sister the An124, apart from the obvious extra 2 engines and the twin tail?
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 30):
Who would be the 380?

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 32):
What are the main differences between the An225 and its little sister the An124, apart from the obvious extra 2 engines and the twin tail?

Two more sets of main gears on each side. Also the An-124 can open up in the back while the An-225 can't and is only loaded up from the nose.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 34):
the An-225 can't and is only loaded up from the nose.

They want to equipt the second Mriya with an aft loading door.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:50 am

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 34):

Is there any physical difference betwee the An225 and An124? Length wise and width wise. I would imagine the width is slighty different but what about the length? Also, is the cross section of the cargo bay the same for both aircraft?
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 36):

Is there any physical difference betwee the An225 and An124? Length wise and width wise. I would imagine the width is slighty different but what about the length? Also, is the cross section of the cargo bay the same for both aircraft?

The AN-225 is basically a -124 with extensions just before and just after the wingbox and in the wingroots, the internal cross section is pretty much identical.
 
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 36):
Is there any physical difference betwee the An225 and An124?

Externally, apart from the said fuse plugs, the most eye-striking difference is, as you said, the "twin tail" of the An-225, designed as such so that the Buran shuttle, or any of its system components, that are carried externally would not obstruct airflow over the vertical stabiliser. Plus, with all the gear carried on top, some extra stability and control was needed...

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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:16 am

My Gawd, don't tell me the Russians are in on the chemtrail conspiracy, too?

LOL

My sister rents out a room to this loser who is a fanatical conspiracist. Believes:

-9/11 was carried out by the US
-Twin towers fell from explosives
-UFOs are being hidden by Nasa
-contrails are chemical sprays dispensed by airliners to poison us

and get ready for this one:

-the earth is hollow. And in the center is a little sun for the people that live there.

The reason for these conspiracies, I asked?

To cancel out our national debt.

???????????

Naturally, guys like that are usually the kind of guys that need to rent rooms to stay off the street. Thus his presence in my sister's house.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:55 am

Have a look at this pic: It shows the An-225, the An-70 and 2 An-148 flying in formation over Kiev's Gostomel (Antonov) Airport.

http://www.antonov.com/news/photos.xml?image=photo/u-photo-1.jpg

That must have been a sight ! Too bad the pic is so small. It was at an airshow 2 weeks ago.
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:40 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 19):
Previous posters (in other threads) have claimed that all the major parts exist and it's mostly a matter of assembly to get the second aircraft flying. That may be making the job sound easier than it really is.

OTOH, it may be that the single aircraft isn't profitable enough to make the second one worth completing. That would be a pity, since it's such an impressive plane.

To quote ACW (Air Cargo Week) Issue of 20 March this year:
(Graham Pearce, the UK commercial Director for Antonov Airlines) Pearce is pessimistic on the delayed appearance in the skies of a second, huge, 250-tonne payload, 1.100 m³ volume AN-225 freighter carrying the Antonov Airlines livery. "If you'd have asked me two years ago, the answer would certainly have been "yes", he said. "But, with the problems we've had with the legal case, the type of work the AN-225 can handle has suffered a lot.
"The aircraft can move a lot of high-tech and high-value cargo and if we can re-establish the levels of business we were seeing two years ago it would be nice to see a second AN-225 available to the market. We know there is a demand for a 250-tonne capacity aircraft."
If it did appear, the second AN-225 would have a series of modifications made to its design and its avionics, Pearce said.
"The airframe already exists. I am hopeful that the Antonov Design Bureau will work to get the second one flying in a couple of years."

end of quote
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RE: Antonov 225 Contrailing (Very Cool Pic!)

Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:04 pm

That is a really cool pic.

I must say that I have seen the Mriya overflying Warsaw some 2 years ago from my kitchen's window. First I thought that was a Jumbo or A340, but then I looked closely and I saw 6 contrails and that characteristic H-shaped tail. I couldn't believe my eyes, but threads in Polish aviation newsgroups have confirmed that was Mriya.

Really an impressive view to see.

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