dogfighter2111
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Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:54 am

Heya,

Can anyone help me out by telling me, with pictures, what the largest passenger aircraft was to land on a Grass Runway/Strip.

I have seen a Fokker 100 perform a touch and go on a Crass Strip, so largest aircraft that has done a touch and go or preferablly a full landing. Can anyone provide info?

Thanks
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:21 am

I saw a video clip once of a TU154 doing a very bouncy landing on a grass strip. I will try to research it, and see if I can find it, but it has been a long time and not sure I can find it.

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:27 am

The Russian jets were designed for landing on unpaved fields. The Tu-154 definitely could land on unpaved runways and routinely did for years in the vast Soviet Union. I think the IL-86 was designed to be able to as well, but I don't know if it did. Sorry I don't have any pictures.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:30 am

InterFlug IL-62 DDR-SEG at Stolln - Rhinow

http://www.airvideo.de/videos/landung/il62_landung.rm
(Source: www.airvideo.de)

More information (in german)
http://www.otto-lilienthal.de/

[Edited 2006-06-24 00:32:08]
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:33 am

Isn't the C-17 capable of unimproved field ops? I don't know if this means grass, though. I don't think grass will hold alot of weight....
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:45 am

I suppose you mean intentionally land on a grass strip, rather than, er, unintenionally. Didn't the Tu-144 land on a gravel/grass in order to be displayed?
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:57 am

Larger than a Fokker 100 and very close to home:


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Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:01 am


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Of course, I've been to see DDR-SEG Lady Agnes as well at Stolln!

Landed on a grass strip and then hauled up the hill.

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting Se210 (Reply 3):
InterFlug IL-62 DDR-SEG at Stolln - Rhinow

Thanks Se210!
That's the one I was thinking of!

Awesome landing!

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting Se210 (Reply 3):
nterFlug IL-62 DDR-SEG at Stolln - Rhinow

http://www.airvideo.de/videos/landung/il62_landung.rm
(Source: www.airvideo.de)

More information (in german)
http://www.otto-lilienthal.de/

Holy s**t, what a landing. Can you imagine being a passenger? They build those Russian planes like tanks.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:13 am

Not sure if this qualifies, but didn't Boeing test a 707 (albiet with over sized tires) in a muddy field that could barely hold the weight of a passenger car?

I seem to recall reading that someplace. I'll dig around and see if I can find a link to something more substantive.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:13 am

How about the TACA B737 that landed on the levee outside of New Orleans
some years ago.
That was a grass runway. They had to strip the interior completely to
be able to fly it out.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:25 am

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 10):
Not sure if this qualifies, but didn't Boeing test a 707 (albiet with over sized tires) in a muddy field that could barely hold the weight of a passenger car?

Yes, the 707 prototype was flown to Orchard Field before it was renamed O'Hare. That flight was in the mid-50's and take-off was done at full power. The tires were sunk halfway into the mud.

It seems like I read this on the fliers they handed out that day Aug. 23 or 24, 2003 at BFI on the Dash 80's way to IAD. There were press kits handed out at the ceremony.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:26 am

Confirmed, the Tu-144 and indeed all the other jets present at Monino landed on its gravel strip.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:15 am

I've seen a video of an AN-124 landing on grass, it was a couple of years ago and i don't remember where but... I watched that video about 30 times, it just did not seem possible.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 11):
How about the TACA B737 that landed on the levee outside of New Orleans
some years ago.
That was a grass runway. They had to strip the interior completely to
be able to fly it out.

This incident has always fascinated me, it's a shame I've only ever been able to find one photo and that there wasn't more documented about it considering it was a fairly big deal!
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 15):

Care to share? Big grin
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:51 pm

I'm going to volunteer the C-130 since I have proof.



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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:54 pm

Alaska has 737-200s that are equiped with special tires to do field landings (I think this means Gravel in most cases - but probably grass in some of the remote places in Alaska during the summer time).
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 16):
Care to share? Big grin



YAY! My first PHOTO post! I am amazed I figured it out!

[Edited 2006-06-24 07:13:30]
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 9):
They build those Russian planes like tanks.

Good thing it wasn't an MD-80, the tail probably would have fallen off
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:53 pm

Gee, thanks everyone for the replies. I had no idea that the russian builds were that capable. Also, that landing! Wow!

Well, thanks very much for all the info. And sadly we can't see the photo posted by WNCrew, but perhaps he can post the URL to it?

Thanks
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:27 pm

If desert grass, ie dirt counts then this would take the cake. QF sent a 742 back to the QF mueum in Longreach Queensland.


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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:54 pm

That's what the C-5 Galaxy was designed to be capable of. The landing gear of the An-124 looks even more suited.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 22):
If desert grass, ie dirt counts then this would take the cake. QF sent a 742 back to the QF mueum in Longreach Queensland.

Sorry - but it landed on the SEALED 04/22 1936 x 30m runway at Longreach - the dirt is from beside the runway, and from turning at the end - where I imagine it would have gone off the turning bay!!!
(And 747s can land on a runway that length, Qantas operated 747SPs into Wellington for years - RWY 19/36 1936x45m)

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Meanwhile, Kendell Airlines in the southern states was given permission to operate their SAAB 340 aircraft from grass runways; and I am pretty sure they did. Maybe one of the Australian members could help me out on that one!  Smile
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 21):
And sadly we can't see the photo posted by WNCrew, but perhaps he can post the URL to it?

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/taca-msy/photo.shtml

PS: I can see my picture, but noone else can?
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 25):
PS: I can see my picture, but noone else can?

Air Disasters apparently prohibits hot-linking to save bandwidth, so it won't show up for us unless we input the URL.

thanks for the image, by the way!
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 9):
They build those Russian planes like tanks.

Pity they don't maintenance them like that really isn't it?

Getting better though. Am I the only one who thinks the Tu-204 looks like a 757 slightly. I like that aircraft a lot.

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:25 am

An An22 landed on the grass at Farnborough in 1988 I think it was http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1029995/L/
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:59 am

Way back when, New Tribes Missions owned a DC-3 that they would fly from Chicago to Venenzuela I believe. They would take missionaries into the tribal locations and land on grass airstrips at the beginning of the Missions history. Then later came the Cessna. Sorry I do not have pictures of it. My college (New Tribes Bible Institute) only has the pictures of the first flight and first pax (missionaries) to fly down to VEN and the fatal crash of the DC-3 2 years later in the USA  Sad
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 20):
Good thing it wasn't an MD-80, the tail probably would have fallen off

hahaha. nice!
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:54 am

The An 124 certainly has landed on grass / gravel strips.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting PlanenutzTB (Reply 9):
They build those Russian planes like tanks.

Yes, most Soviet aircraft were built to land on unpaved runways. Speaking of tanks, Soviet military doctrine never considered combat helicopters as anything other than flying tanks. Helicopter tactics were taught at the tank academies, not at the aviation academies.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:32 am

Guys..

You forget the biggest plane in the world (I believe it's the biggest)

The Antonov 225!!!!
Because of it's many wheels (saw it last week on Discovery Channel) it can land on grass etc.
I am really certain that's the one!!

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 4):
Isn't the C-17 capable of unimproved field ops? I don't know if this means grass, though. I don't think grass will hold alot of weight....

Yes, the Globemaster III can do it. The reason mil. transports can do it is literally the number axles on the landing gear. I spreads the weight out over more tires so no one tire is taking as heavy a load. The C-17 can take off from just about any surface except water.  Big grin The Galaxy isn't as good in this respect as originally hoped.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:28 am

I was flying from Portsmouth(UK)_ and this was a limited grass runway. The aircraft due to operate to jersey was a DC3 of Channel Airways. It went Tech and they flew a Viscount in to that airport. On arrival it was decided it could not fly out with passengers!!What a way to run an airline!!Sorry I did not even have my box brownie to take a piccy...This was in 1962.....
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:48 am

Boeing 727s have used mud runways in Angola...


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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:55 am

A bit vague, but this subject sparked my memory. A good story if true?
Anyone know anything about a Bizjet (Gulf 2?) landing on the grass in a emergency at a racecourse (in Ireland?). They built a long tarmac car park so it could depart.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting DHHornet (Reply 37):
A bit vague, but this subject sparked my memory. A good story if true?
Anyone know anything about a Bizjet (Gulf 2?) landing on the grass in a emergency at a racecourse (in Ireland?). They built a long tarmac car park so it could depart.

Ohh i remember that, I think it was a Mexican registered Gulfstream II that was due to land in Shannon, but due to bad weather diverted to cork and as a precaution set down at mallow racecourse.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:12 am

The Russians and Ukrainians made their planes to land on grass strips like AN 124 and TU154/134,cant imagine AN225 to land on grass or sand. Dont know if there´s any western buildt a/c exept the Hercules 130.
No pax a/c that I know of.

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting EGNR (Reply 36):
Boeing 727s have used mud runways in Angola...

Those planes are almost as dirty as AF jets...  duck 

I'd think the mud would be considered a FOD hazard, no?

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting CptSpeaking (Reply 40):

"Those planes are almost as dirty as AF jets"

B727 in Angola are sparkling clean compared to AF fleet, hell even AFs new 773ER are in a horrible dirty state  yuck 

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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:11 pm

Some chap landed an Airbus A320 in the grass a few weeks ago, unintentionally of course.
 
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:08 pm

Any aircraft can use a grass runway as long as the weight distribution is equal to or less than another plane that can.

Tractors are big heavy machines, but they can drive on grass without even damaging it because their tires are big enough to distribute the load.



So the question should not be What is the Biggest aircraft to use a grass field, but what is the Highest Weight Distribution that a grass runway can support. It could be that a DC-9 can not use a grass runway, but an AN-224 can.
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 43):

I am nto askign what aircraft can land on a grass runway though, i am asking what is the largest aircraft that HAS landed on a grass runway.

And to all others, that is great. I think the russian builds are all made for grass landings, but wouldn't it be more for gravel runways?

Thanks
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RE: Largest Aircraft To Land On A Grass Runway?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:53 pm

I know that the boeing 737-200 could land on unpaved runways. Airlines could order them the 737-200 would come with a different kind of linding gear.

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