A388
Topic Author
Posts: 7194
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:35 pm

Hi,

I was thinking about this the other day. I know that Air Caraibes lacks the aircraft to fly from St. Martin to Paris but if they would apply for the route, would they get it? St. Martin is partly French, so it would fall within the Frech overseas territories. I also think there is still room for another airline to fly between Paris and St. Martin. It would be awesome to see the A330 of Air Caraibes arrive and depart from SXM Big grin

A388
 
FoxBravo
Posts: 2769
Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:34 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:03 pm

I'm not sure if the A330 could take off from SXM with enough fuel for the nonstop to ORY, but I suppose they could tag it onto their PTP-ORY flights, or even offer a triangle service ORY-SXM-PTP-ORY.

Note that they do already serve the St. Martin-Paris market by offering connections from Grand Case, on the French side of the island, via PTP. I remember seeing ads for this service when I was in St. Martin a couple of years ago.
Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
 
AlitaliaMD11
Posts: 3704
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:19 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 1):
I'm not sure if the A330 could take off from SXM with enough fuel for the nonstop to ORY

Corsair has done it with their A330-200s.
No Vueling No Party
 
FoxBravo
Posts: 2769
Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:34 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):

Corsair has done it with their A330-200s.

Interesting, didn't realize that. Maybe this could be a good use for one of Air Caraibes' A330-200s, now that they have added a -300.
Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
 
A388
Topic Author
Posts: 7194
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:59 pm

Corsair indeed has used the A330-200 for some time so it's do-able.


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sam Chui



I think Corsair uses the A330-200 to SXM during low season but I'm not sure. By the way, I think PTP-ORY and FDF-ORY are further apart from each other then SXM-ORY so this route mustn't be much of a problem to operate. Speaking of Corsair, when is their first A330-200 scheduled to be painted in the new TUI colours like their 744 have now?

A388
 
swissgabe
Posts: 5147
Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2000 4:57 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
I was thinking about this the other day. I know that Air Caraibes lacks the aircraft to fly from St. Martin to Paris but if they would apply for the route, would they get it? St. Martin is partly French, so it would fall within the Frech overseas territories. I also think there is still room for another airline to fly between Paris and St. Martin. It would be awesome to see the A330 of Air Caraibes arrive and depart from SXM Big grin

Didn't another airline obtain traffic rights to operate flights from SXM to Paris? If not mistaken, it is a new start-up airline.
Smooth as silk - Royal Orchid Service /// Suid-Afrikaanse Lugdiens - Springbok
 
FlySSC
Posts: 5186
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 1:38 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 2):
Corsair has done it with their A330-200s.

Corsair doesn't fly nonstop SXM-ORY.

Don't think it would be very interesting and profitable for Air Caraïbes to fly SXM-ORY. They are based at FDF/PTP, and it would be much more convenient and logical for them to propose from there, via their local network, a fast connection to/from SXM.
 
Evan767
Posts: 2198
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:52 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:01 am

This is really off topic, but I don't want to start a whole new thread for this. How often do planes come in over Maho?
The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
 
A388
Topic Author
Posts: 7194
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
Don't think it would be very interesting and profitable for Air Caraïbes to fly SXM-ORY. They are based at FDF/PTP, and it would be much more convenient and logical for them to propose from there, via their local network, a fast connection to/from SXM.

BWIA used to fly to Europe from other Caribbean islands besides their main hub as they represented most english speaking Caribbean islands. The same is with Air Caraibes. Even though their hubs are at PTP and FDF, they were formed out of the smaller french airlines from the french speaking Caribbean islands. With St. Martin being an overseas french territory, Air Caraibes can fly this route for them if their is no local airline, right? Not that they will do it, but technically it is possible right? Air Caraibes is also the first Caribbean airline who formed an Caribbean alliance to improve the co-operation of the aviation and to improve the connectivity between the french speaking islands. I agree with FlySSC opinion that it's better to transfer passengers through their hubs as it is more logical, but I was just wondering what the possibilities are for SXM.

A388  Smile
 
User avatar
Flying Belgian
Posts: 1906
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2001 12:45 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:04 pm

I've seen Air Caraïbes has acquired a brand new A330-300X, so anyone knows if Air Caraïbes is planing new routes ? Or is just to add frequencies to some destinations ?


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © T.Laurent



FB  Wink
Life is great at 41.000 feet...
 
YULYMX
Posts: 734
Joined: Fri May 12, 2006 10:53 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:30 pm

Corsair with the A330 fly nonstop to ORY not with the 747
 
tockeyhockey
Posts: 880
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:57 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
This is really off topic, but I don't want to start a whole new thread for this. How often do planes come in over Maho?

on the weekend, it's pretty frequent. it might be typical to see as many as 15 757/A319/737 coming from CO, DL, US, UA, and AA. you'll also see the AF A340 and the KLM 744. on top of that, there are dozens and dozens of winair, liat, and air caribes prop flights, a dozen or so private jets (stood behind a beautiful G5 just a few days ago), and at least one completely random jet -- like a 727 or a canadian charter 737.

there are plenty of times when there is little or no activity on the runway or in the landing pattern, but on the weekend, movements are pretty constant. this is not your typical sleepy little caribbean airport.

and this is for the shoulder season. in high season, even more charters will come in.
 
corsairf/a
Posts: 366
Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2000 12:01 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:01 am

Corsair flies nonstop on thursday and sunday from ORY to SXM but all flights back to ORY are via PTP or FDF be it with the 747 or A330.
 
YULYMX
Posts: 734
Joined: Fri May 12, 2006 10:53 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:20 am

If AF 340 Can takeoff back to CDG, A330 Could do it to
 
corsairf/a
Posts: 366
Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2000 12:01 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:36 am

Yes an A330 can do it but for Corsair and Air Caraïbes it will not be profitable. AF can do it thanks to its huge hub and lot of parteners.
 
Qantas744er
Posts: 1158
Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:36 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:30 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 13):
If AF 340 Can takeoff back to CDG, A330 Could do it to

Yeah here comes another "slow climb a340" thread...

the 340 is better off, because if the 340 looses an engine on takeoff it still has 75% of total thrust power a 330 would only 50% this is also a reason AF will/hasnt used the 777 yet, even if it has a bigger TOW weight etc. the Engine out will be a problem.

BTW Air Europe has done 777 nonstop services to europe from SXM

Cheers Leo
You live and you die, by the FMA
 
YULYMX
Posts: 734
Joined: Fri May 12, 2006 10:53 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 15):

Never saw a picture of a 777 at SXM??
 
Longhornmaniac
Posts: 2967
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:33 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 16):
Never saw a picture of a 777 at SXM??


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Joe Pries - ATR Team



Cheers,
Cameron
Cheers,
Cameron
 
YULYMX
Posts: 734
Joined: Fri May 12, 2006 10:53 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:17 am

Thank you!  Smile

first for me!
 
A388
Topic Author
Posts: 7194
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting Corsairf/a (Reply 14):
Yes an A330 can do it but for Corsair and Air Caraïbes it will not be profitable. AF can do it thanks to its huge hub and lot of parteners.

The number of french tourists to SXM is high as SXM is a very well known leisure destinations to french people. Because of this I was under the impression that Corsair would have no difficulty in filling their seats yearround, right? Those tour operator charterflights are always packed in my experience. How are the load factors for Corsair to SXM? If SXM doesn't fill the flights, combining the SXM flights with PTP and/or FDF would make up for it, right? The popularity of the french caribbean islands in my opinion would seem very attractive to any airline who operates those flights, wouldn't it? I would think that having a big hub to feed passengers isn't as important to destinations like SXM as the demand from the french market alone would give reasonable load factors, right? Anyone with more insight into this?

A388
 
corsairf/a
Posts: 366
Joined: Sun Oct 08, 2000 12:01 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:03 pm

A388 most of our pax on the ORY/SXM continue to FDF or PTP and are not happy with the stop, Corsair flies 6 direct flights to FDF and the same to PTP which are the most important market for Corsair. On SXM there are at best 200 people on each flight.
 
A388
Topic Author
Posts: 7194
Joined: Mon May 21, 2001 3:48 am

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:34 pm

Quoting Corsairf/a (Reply 20):
A388 most of our pax on the ORY/SXM continue to FDF or PTP and are not happy with the stop, Corsair flies 6 direct flights to FDF and the same to PTP which are the most important market for Corsair. On SXM there are at best 200 people on each flight.

200 passengers out of 500 is not bad at all. That's almost half the flight. It does show the importance of SXM as a leisure destination in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised that this number goes up during high seasons.

A388
 
legoguy
Posts: 2971
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:59 pm

RE: Air Caraibes, SXM-ORY

Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:42 pm

Way way way off the topic but the Air Caraibes is just absolutely brilliant. I would love to see it fly over Maho Beach when I visit there in 2 years time!!  Smile Smile Smile
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?