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Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:38 pm

The average age of the Jet2 737 fleet is over 18 years, all delivered between 1986 and 1988. Mostly acquired used from Ansett or Lufthansa, these aircraft will already have had a more than useful life with their previous owners. I just wonder how well they serve Jet2? The main LCC airline (FR and U2) are now favouring the lastest available aircraft such as the A319 and the 737NG. Will Jet2 convert anytime soon?
 
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting ACEregular (Thread starter):
The average age of the Jet2 737 fleet is over 18 years, all delivered between 1986 and 1988. Mostly acquired used from Ansett or Lufthansa, these aircraft will already have had a more than useful life with their previous owners. I just wonder how well they serve Jet2? The main LCC airline (FR and U2) are now favouring the lastest available aircraft such as the A319 and the 737NG. Will Jet2 convert anytime soon?

They do the same job as the 737NG and the A319/A320. As they have lower lease costs than the newer generation aircraft (even with possible added costs such as redcued fuel efficency and higher maintanence costs etc) they are more economical to operate for LS at the moment. With time, they will upgrade their fleet. However, they are a relatively new airline compared to U2 and FR. Look at FR and U2, it took them a fair few years to upgrade their fleets. If LS are still around in 2-3 years (which I hope they are and that they're at CWL also) they may then be looking at renewing the fleet.

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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:00 pm

Been some rumours of Jet2 getting some 767s flying around lately
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Been some rumours of Jet2 getting some 767s flying around lately

....which suggests they may be looking at doing similar to FlyGlobespan. What do u reckon? I'm sure a scheduled lo-co MAN-SFB would do well.
 
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:44 pm

I like Jet2 a lot. The aircraft look fairly new and to be honest, I live under the approach/departure path into LBA and MAN and the Jet2 737s seem quite fresh looking. Seen them at LBA and they look great, I love their new livery. How old is the average thomsonfly 737? and BMI Baby. They both operate 737 classic. How old are their 757's and their sole A300


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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Been some rumours of Jet2 getting some 767s flying around lately

I'm not so sure to be honest. Where do the flyglobespan Boeing 767s fly to?

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 3):
I'm sure a scheduled lo-co MAN-SFB would do well.

This is an interesting route for a low-cost Airline, there is often discussion about low-cost long haul travel. I would think this flight would have some success in months such as July, August and December, but I am not so sure for the rest of the year. Many people may have holiday homes in Orlando and this would be a suitable flight, but if you were going on holiday to Orlando, I think alot of people would go package, with Virgin, MyTravel, Thomson etc...

Family's with Children bring alot of tourism to Orlando for obvious reasons, so you've got to think about the school holidays.

What frequency would you be thinking of? Twice weekly?

Plus, some people would not be very optimistic in what a low-cost long haul flight would get them. A seat on a plane with 30" legroom (at a guess), and what else? I don't know if flyglobespan to Low-cost Long Haul flights or not, but some people aren't going to be tempted by flying low-cost for 9/10/11 hours. What kind of things would be included in the flight? A Meal and drink? Entertainment?

Maybe there is a market for these kind of flights?

[Edited 2006-06-24 14:58:32]
 
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:48 pm

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 5):
Where do the flyglobespan Boeing 767s fly to?

Glasgow-Sanford and soon Manchester-Cape Town and Toronto
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Jet2 737s seem quite fresh looking.

The 737s look good, I'm not so sure about the Boeing 757s though, which I think the paint doesn't quite look right.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
How old is the average thomsonfly 737? and BMI Baby. They both operate 737 classic. How old are their 757's and their sole A300

Well, Thomsonfly Boeing 737 average age is 11.4 years, with the average age of the next generation Aircraft (B738s) being 6.3 years.

The Thomsonfly Boeing 757s average age is 12.2 years. I don't think they operate an A300?

As for bmibaby, the average age of the 737s is 11.9 years, so just a little older than Thomsonfly.

And Jet2, is average age 18.7 years.

Data is from Airfleets

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Glasgow-Sanford and soon Manchester-Cape Town and Toronto

Thanks. I would be interested in reading about whats included on these flights. How successful have they been so far?

[Edited 2006-06-24 14:56:33]
 
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 7):
I don't think they operate an A300?

I meant Jet2 sorry.

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 7):
I'm not so sure about the Boeing 757s though, which I think the paint doesn't quite look right

 flamed  They look gorgeous. I loove the 752 in that lovely livery. Same with TOM and TCX and BA
 
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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting BA787 (Reply 8):
I meant Jet2 sorry

LS don't operate any A300s. Channel Express use to operate them on cargo flights, but all have been retired since last year i think. One is in storage at BOH iirc.

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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:59 pm

Quoting Cosmic (Reply 5):
Where do the flyglobespan Boeing 767s fly to?



Quoting Cosmic (Reply 7):
I would be interested in reading about whats included on these flights. How successful have they been so far?

3 classes - Business, Premium and Economy.

Business includes -

Use of airport executive lounge prior to departure
Priority check-in
Priority boarding
40kg luggage allowance
Champagne prior to departure (although I believe it is now after departure)
Sleeper seats with 50" seat pitch
Gourmet meals served with fine wines
Complimentary drinks throughout the flight
Individual in-flight entertainment (own PTVs but not AVOD)
Complimentary headset
Soft pillow and blanket

Premium includes -

Priority check-in
Priority boarding
30kg luggage allowance
34" seat pitch
Full meal service
Complimentary drinks throughout the flight
In-flight entertainment with complimentary head-sets (1 projector screen)

Economy includes -

30" seat pitch
20kg luggage allowance
Purchase onboard a wide range of meals, snacks and refreshments
In-flight entertainment available - headsets purchasable onboard (1 projector screen and 2 smaller drop down ones)

As for how successful the flights are, well they are doing very well indeed. The first couple of weeks of operations the flights were full in all three classes outbound and I believe the average load factor is now about 180 +/-. Americans wanting to come to Scotland are taking advantage of this flight as well. The service has recently been extended for the winter season operating 3 days a week resuming to daily from next June again.

As for the original question about whether Jet2 will re-equip anytime soon then I would have to agree with Christa on his answer. Lease rates for the 737 classics is a lot less and bearing in mind that EZY and FR started out with classics for years before moving to NGs then hopefully if Jet2 are still around (which I hope they will) in years to come they will probably upgrade then.

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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:46 pm

I can't see Jet2 replacing the B733s any time soon, yes they are old but they are still working well and are in good condition for their age. Plus it's the perfect aircraft for low-cost operations.

It's the same with bmibaby; I can't see them either replacing their B737-300s/500s any time soon. They don't really need to, it wouldn't make sense. Although the rumour was that they are to be eventually replaced with A319s.

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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 9):

Not what Flight Interantional says. The Airline directory lists an A300 operating with Jet2 logos but for Channel Express


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RE: Will Jet2 Re-equip Anytime Soon?

Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting GCDEG (Reply 10):

That all sounds very good indeed. I wasn't aware that they are operating a 3 class outfit in the Aircraft, I thought it was full economy. How do they manage to keep the prices low with the long haul flights? If other low-cost long haul flying was to follow suit I can see this being popular. Nice to hear about the increased number of services, that's good evidence that the flights are doing well.

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 11):
It's the same with bmibaby; I can't see them either replacing their B737-300s/500s any time soon. They don't really need to, it wouldn't make sense.

They've acquired some new B733s recently over the past few months, so I agree that the chances of a fleet replacement I can't see happening soon. Maybe in the future there is a chance of some of the older bmibaby Boeings leaving for newer Boeings to come into the fleet?

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