B6FA4ever
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Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:53 am

so this is for all you pro's out there.

i was reading in another thread that CO has some 24(ish) flights daily between Newark and Houston. i checked out CO's website and only found they have 11, at least thats what i found for July 17th sked's...(varies on B737, B757's, and B767's).

so what airline has the most hub-to-hub flights?
mixture of a/c type?

does NW have any widebody flights between MSP and DTW for repositioning like UA does between their hubs?

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:58 am

I think that the 24 nonstops between Houston and NYC included COs service between IAH and EWR/LGA/JFK.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 1):
I think that the 24 nonstops between Houston and NYC included COs service between IAH and EWR/LGA/JFK.

oops. brain fart BIG TIME! *LOL* compltely forgot about LGA and JFK! thanx for the correction!
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting B6FA4ever (Thread starter):
so what airline has the most hub-to-hub flights?

In the United States I believe that it would be Alaska/Horizon between Seattle and Portland. Horizon operates up to 31 daily flights between the two cities.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Thread starter):
mixture of a/c type?

Almost everything is on Dash 8s. There are some CRJ-700s and Alaska has operated mainline jets on the route too.

31 nonstop flights between SEA and PDX might surprise some people since the Northwest is often a part of the country that is forgotten about, but SEA-PDX is a huge market as far as frequencies go. It isn't as big of a market as the shuttle routes in the Northeast or in Texas, but one airline dominates and operates more flights on a single route than anywhere else in the country. The flights are pretty much every half hour between 6am and 9pm.

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting B6FA4ever (Thread starter):
so what airline has the most hub-to-hub flights?

I would think that AA DFW-ORD takes the prize for any single hub to hub route. 18 flights per day. 17 MD-80 and 1 777.
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:10 pm

Tomorrow NW has.....

16 MSP-DTW flights

7 MSP-MEM flights

7 DTW-MEM flights
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:28 pm

Looks like there are actually 18 flights tomorrow from MSP-DTW.

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
In the United States I believe that it would be Alaska/Horizon between Seattle and Portland. Horizon operates up to 31 daily flights between the two cities.

Wow!!! I had no idea it was that many. I would have guessed it was around 12 or so.
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:50 pm

For the heck of it:

PIT-PHL: 12 dailies on US
PHL-PIT: 10 dailies...

I tried to find information on PHL-CLT but their website/internet is being a piece of shit for me tonight... I would imagine upwards of 12 daily flights between PHL and CLT on A320, 737, 757, and 767 aircraft. I know that at least one aircraft or two between PHL and CLT are a 767...
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:00 pm

Well, LH between FRA and MUC would be pretty high, as well as JL and NH between Tokyo and Osaka.
 
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:01 pm

not themost, but not bad...

ATL-NYC Region

ATL-LGA has 16 tomorrow (ranging from MD-88 to 767-300s)
ATL-EWR has 10 tomorrow (MD88 to 757)
ATL-JFK has 7 tomorrow (CRJ to 767-300)

Total ATL-NYC: 33
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:01 pm

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 2):
oops. brain fart BIG TIME! *LOL* compltely forgot about LGA and JFK! thanx for the correction!

Ha! That must have been my comment in the other B6 thread. Yea, EWR, LGA, and JFK included.  Wink

Nice mixture of a/c for CO, all kinds of 737s, a couple 752s, a 753, 3 762s.

I think you will do well at HOU. Big cities, lots of ties, etc...
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:06 pm

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 7):
Wow!!! I had no idea it was that many. I would have guessed it was around 12 or so.

Nope, it's opperated so that if someone misses a flight its not a big deal at all and will be on the next one no problem. Shuttle style. Also, they have to compete with Amtrak and cars, so I think the frequency is necessary. Also, they offer free wine/microbrews, leather seats, great FAs etc etc... Great service! Plus, there's a LOT of traffic going between the Puget Sound and Western Oregon everyday. Some people even commute to Seattle everyday from Vancouver,WA and Portland (crazy people!)

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Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:07 pm

QF between SYD & MEL this Friday have 33 flights on a mixture of 763/738 & A332 aircraft. Between 0600 and noon there are 14 flights: 12x763, 1x738 & 1xA332.

As well JQ has 5 flights on that day with A320s.

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
I tried to find information on PHL-CLT but their website/internet is being a piece of shit for me tonight... I would imagine upwards of 12 daily flights between PHL and CLT on A320, 737, 757, and 767 aircraft.

Only 10 from PHL to CLT...9 the other direction. I would have guessed more as well.

Interestingly enough, US has more flights LAS-PHX - 14, all HP aircraft.
 
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Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:15 pm

I fly MSP-DTW (or vice versa) on NW to help me keep my status. Even with 16 or 18 daily flights between MSP and DTW, those flights are always full. Even the times I've flown the route on the 753, there weren't many, if any at all, open seats.

Maybe a lot of segment hogs like me  Smile
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:26 pm

Not a record but UA operates 17 flights a day between SFO and LAX. They used to have a lot more on the route when they used to have Shuttle by United/United shuttle. There are a lot more flights between the Bay Area and LA if you include the satellite airports.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Mon Jun 26, 2006 2:50 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):
as well as JL and NH between Tokyo and Osaka

I would not call Osaka a hub for JL or NH. Though there are many flights between Osaka and Tokyo, there are also tons of flights between all major cities. When you really only have two airlines (there are others but limited service) all cities are focus and hubs. If you put Osaka as a Hub then you have to put CTS, FUK, NGO, and OKA as hubs as well.
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:46 am

Would like to know LAX-SFo on UA must be alot

and also AC from YYZ to YUL close to 26 i think...
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting B6FA4ever (Thread starter):
does NW have any widebody flights between MSP and DTW

A few years ago, NW operated a DC10 between MSP-DTW to repostion aircraft. Now, the only heavy operating between the two cities is a 757(-200 and -300). The equipment varies between MSP and DTW. Anything from a DC9 to a 753.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 19):
A few years ago, NW operated a DC10 between MSP-DTW to repostion aircraft. Now, the only heavy operating between the two cities is a 757(-200 and -300). The equipment varies between MSP and DTW. Anything from a DC9 to a 753.

Northwest also used to fly the D10 between MSP and MEM as well (circa '01 and '02). I flew that several times and the flights were always packed. Now I think they fly anything from a CRJ to a 753 between the two cities.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:41 am

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 20):
Northwest also used to fly the D10 between MSP and MEM as well (circa '01 and '02). I flew that several times and the flights were always packed. Now I think they fly anything from a CRJ to a 753 between the two cities.

I don't think the 753 frequents MEM.
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:29 am

Cathay Pacific's skd HKG-TPE
CI 10flts daily
KA 4flts daily
BR 10flts

CX 460 (e) HKG (-) 08:35a TPE (1) 10:15a 1:40 330
CX 530 (e) HKG (-) 09:10a TPE (1) 10:50a 1:40 330
CX 450 (e) HKG (-) 10:10a TPE (1) 11:55a 1:45 744
CX 406 (e) HKG (-) 12:10p TPE (1) 1:55p 1:45 330
CX 564 (e) HKG (-) 1:10p TPE (1) 2:55p 1:45 330
CX 466 (e) HKG (-) 1:25p TPE (1) 3:05p 1:40 773
CX 420 (e) HKG (-) 2:25p TPE (1) 4:05p 1:40 330
CX 510 (e) HKG (-) 2:55p TPE (1) 4:35p 1:40 773
CX 472 (e) HKG (-) 3:55p TPE (1) 5:35p 1:40 343
CX 400 (e) HKG (-) 4:30p TPE (1) 6:15p 1:45 773


CX 470 (e) HKG (-) 5:45p TPE (1) 7:25p 1:40 330
CX 402 (e) HKG (-) 6:35p TPE (1) 8:15p 1:40 330
CX 468 (e) HKG (-) 7:55p TPE (1) 9:40p 1:45 773
CX 464 (e) HKG (-) 9:00p TPE (1) 10:40p 1:40 330
CX 408 (e) HKG (-) 10:00p TPE (1) 11:40p 1:40 330
CX 462 (e) HKG (-) 10:55p TPE (1) 00:35a+1 1:40 343
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:48 am

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned IB's shuttle service between MAD and BCN. I know BCN may not be as big a hub as some of the other places already mentioned, but the number of flights is immense. Add to that flights with JKK and AEA and you get a ridiculous amount of flights!  Wink

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Ophila (Reply 22):
Cathay Pacific's skd HKG-TPE

Except that TPE isn't a hub for CX. That's a lot of widebodys though.

OH! I just remembered, I checked the AS/QX schedules and there are 31 flights scheduled one-way from SEA-PDX today. All of them are on QX Dash 8-200s and one Dash 8-400. They run pretty much every half and hour on the zero and the thirty from 7AM 'til 9PM plus a couple after 9PM and one at 6AM. Each flight is around 50 minutes. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 seats today, one-way!

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:32 am

Sorry for the double post!

More AS info!

Other AS hub flights include;
SEA-ANC 20 Daily AS-73G, 734, 739 MD80
SEA-GEG (Spokane,WA) 16 Daily QX-Dash 8-200/400, AS-734, 73G, 739
SEA-LAX 12 Daily AS 734, 739, 73G, MD80
ANC-FAI (Fairbanks, AK) 9 Daily AS-734, 739, 73G, 73M
SEA-SFO 8 Daily AS-734, 73G
SEA-JNU (Juneau, AK) 8 daily AS-734, 73M
SFO-LAX 7 Daily AS-739 (6 operated by AA)



Non-Hubs
SEA-SNA (Orange County,CA) 8 Daily AS-734
SEA-LAS 7 Daily AS-MD80, 73G, 734 (73H -What is this?)
SEA-SJC 7 Daily AS-MD80, 734, 739
SEA-KTN (Ketchikan, AK) 5 Daily AS-734
SEA-PHX 5 daily AS-MD80, 734, 739


Lots of frequencies out here on the west coast... I was pretty surprised at the frequency of some of these routes.

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:50 am

Hub to Hub:
US PHX-LAS: 15, A320, A319, 733
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting B6sea (Reply 24):
OH! I just remembered, I checked the AS/QX schedules and there are 31 flights scheduled one-way from SEA-PDX today. All of them are on QX Dash 8-200s and one Dash 8-400. They run pretty much every half and hour on the zero and the thirty from 7AM 'til 9PM plus a couple after 9PM and one at 6AM. Each flight is around 50 minutes. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500 seats today, one-way!

Those flights are very full too, and they generally have very high yields. Unrestricted full Y is around $325 round-trip. Mainly catering to business travellers willing to pay the price, and PDX/SEA passengers connecting to other cities.

Quoting B6sea (Reply 25):
(73H -What is this?)

737-800 with winglets

Quoting B6sea (Reply 25):
Lots of frequencies out here on the west coast... I was pretty surprised at the frequency of some of these routes.

Agreed. It is really amazing that AS alone has over 30 daily flights to the LA basin (including BUR, ONT, LGB, LAX, SNA) and over 20 to the bay area (SFO, SJC, OAK). And the ANC frequencies are ridiculous this time of year too - and these flights are packed with people paying high fares.

A couple other interesting tidbits from SEA:

NW flies 9x daily using all 757s on SEA-MSP (about an even mixture of 752/753)

DL flies 7x daily SEA-ATL (3x 763, 3x 752, 1x 738)

AA flies 10x daily SEA-DFW (8x 757, 2x M80)

Even though the above aren't hub to hub routes, SEA definitely sees lots of frequencies this time of year (and the flights are very full and the fares are high).
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 21):
I don't think the 753 frequents MEM

actually it does per the NWA website...flight 165 MEM-MSP is a 753; flight 444 MSP-MEM is also a 753
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:37 am

AA flew as many as 23 flights each way between ORD and DFW, with the vast majority being MD-80s. There may have been a 757 or two, and there was a 777 in the mix.

That was prior to 9/11.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
Only 10 from PHL to CLT...9 the other direction. I would have guessed more as well.

That is rather odd. More flights between PIT and PHL and PHL and CLT, US' two largest hubs... PIT-PHL is a hub-2ndary hub/focus city pair...
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
That is rather odd. More flights between PIT and PHL and PHL and CLT, US' two largest hubs... PIT-PHL is a hub-2ndary hub/focus city pair...


Something tells me that a certiain Canyon Blue and Saddle Tan airline has something to do with that.......
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:24 am

Not exactly a hub-to-hub, but AA ORD-LGA, 19 flights/day.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 30):
PIT-PHL is a hub-2ndary hub/focus city pair...

There is also alot of O&D traffic on that route as well as Business between the two cities.  Smile
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:56 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 33):
There is also alot of O&D traffic on that route as well as Business between the two cities.

True, that is one of PIT's highest O&D markets besides D.C., NY, and Chicago...
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:17 am

There are 29 daily flights between DAL-HOU on Southwest.
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 14):
Interestingly enough, US has more flights LAS-PHX - 14, all HP aircraft.

WN does not have "hubs" per se, but between two of their largest cities:

LAS-PHX x 19
 
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Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 31):
Something tells me that a certiain Canyon Blue and Saddle Tan airline has something to do with that.......

And what airline might that be? I don't know!!!! Aaaagh! Geee-wiz...
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:23 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 27):
Even though the above aren't hub to hub routes, SEA definitely sees lots of frequencies this time of year (and the flights are very full and the fares are high).

Agreed. I mean, I'm leaving on a family vacation to upstate NY (Jamestown area) and we're flying SEA-MEM(I believe) and then to BUF and back and I think the fare was still around $350 roundtrip and it was definately by far the lowest fare because there's no way in hell I would willingly fly NW transcon.(no offense, but NW and I dont have a great track record in the service dept. and from what I've heard that's pretty standard.)

God, I wish B6 or AS would start BUF-west coast flights soon.

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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:03 pm

Didn't AA have even more flying between DFW-ORD in the past (around 1990). I recall half-hourly MD-80s from 0600 to 2200. Then maybe one at 2300 & midnight.

Also UA used to do a lot of ORD-DEN with DC10s, 763s, 777s & 757 hourly with occasional 747s thrown in as well and some additional frequencies during bank times before 2001. A 727 was considering small for that run. Granted there are still widebodies on that route but nowhere near those in the past.
 
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RE: Hub - To - Hub Flying

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:12 pm

Virgin Blue has 17 flights a day between Sydney and Brisbane using the B737-700 and the B737-800 even though Sydney is not their hub