latinaviation
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New Airline: Haitair

Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:51 am

Haitian start-up Haitair applied with the US DOT last week to commence flights from Port-au-Prince (PAP) to Orlando (daily), Ft. Lauderdale (4x weekly) and New York/JFK (3x weekly). They plan to wet-lease a 727-200 or MD-80. DOT docket is OST-2006-25178.
 
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting LatinAviation (Thread starter):
Haitian start-up Haitair applied with the US DOT last week to commence flights from Port-au-Prince (PAP) to Orlando (daily), Ft. Lauderdale (4x weekly) and New York/JFK (3x weekly). They plan to wet-lease a 727-200 or MD-80. DOT docket is OST-2006-25178

Well good to see the Haitians try to get an airline up and running. I'm surprised FLL is going to only be x4 weekly, when AA runs daily FLL-PAP(738) and x3 MIA-PAP(A306).

In the future if somethings get sorted out, I can see NAS as a destination. Nassau is the hub of the Bahamas and Haitian population estimates range anywhere from 40-75 thousand people.

Well hope it works out, although something with more cargo hauling capability might come in handy.  wink 

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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:20 am

How long did it take them to come up with that name? Because it gets my vote as the worst airline name ever. And yes I remember u-land.
 
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:39 am

I'm gonna have to agree that that is a pretty crappy name. At least in English. But, I'm glad to see a Haitian Airline. I think AA does pretty well on the PAP flights, but like the other major cities in caribbean, lots of luggage. Hopefully the 722 and M80 will be able to handle all that.

How's the security situation at PAP? I remember reading a sign at Ft.Lauderdale/Hollywood airport last Christmas that said Port-Au-Prince airport didnt have good security and that travelers should beware or something to that effect. Anyone know anything?

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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:03 am

I wonder if the name "Air Haiti" was taken.
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:40 am

The chances of this airline ever taking off are as good as American Airlines pulling out of Haiti.
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The chances of this airline ever taking off are as good as American Airlines pulling out of Haiti.

Care to share why you feel so strongly about this? I am clueless about Haiti.
 
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:46 am

I'd be guessing, but maybe it has something to do with the state of tourism in that country. If American Airlines (as implied) is already serving Haiti, then it seems as though it would be difficult to break into it, since it seems like a small market, these days.

I'm just hazarding a guess, though. I would welcome a better answer from someone else.
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:47 am

Quoting Fpofllflyboi (Reply 6):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The chances of this airline ever taking off are as good as American Airlines pulling out of Haiti.

Care to share why you feel so strongly about this? I am clueless about Haiti.

Every two years or so, a different company attempts to start a new Haitian airline. They apply with DOT, claim they are going to use 727s and/or MD80s (leased from Falcon Air, of course) and then, nothing happens. Ever. The closest we've gotten was with Air d'Ayiti - the on again off again airline that was able to reach an agreement to wet-lease, for cheap, an Aero Continente 767 to fly MIA-PAP-MIA while the plane sat between LatAm runs.
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
nothing happens.

Maybe it's because no one can afford a ticket.

Mark

Tell that to AA, who maintains the expense of a CTO in Miami's Little Haiti. In fact, it is often thought that MIA-PAP is AA's single highest yielding flight in revenue per passenger per mile, despite the extra expenses incurred in flying to Haiti.
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:19 pm

Yeah, Haitians may not be able to afford the tickets but Americans from Haiti can and they bring everyone/thing they own with them.

Currently AA has 5 flights scheduled to PAP today.
FLL(1) 738
JFK(1) 757
MIA(3) A300

so... that's a lot of capacity.

Then, I checked Expedia.com just to get a ballpark on prices. (Jul27 with return Aug3) and prices were 375USD for the afternoon flight and 407USD for the Morning and Night flight. I also found something interesting. An AF(Yes, I do mean Air France) A320 Flight no.3943 from MIA-PAP departs at 8:45AM... interesting? Didn't know AF had that kind of opperation in MIA... Or is it opperated by someone else?

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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting B6sea (Reply 12):
Haitians may not be able to afford the tickets but Americans from Haiti can and they bring everyone/thing they own with them.

Actually, our neighbor is an FA on those flights JFK-PAP. Of course it helps that she is fluent in Creole and French.

To quell the speculations here, those flights are loaded with Haitians. Not Americans, or anyone else. Those AA flights are packed with Haitians, and yes, they bring a lot with them on their flights.
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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:16 pm

AA sends 3 A306's down there and 4 in the high season. Those roach coach flights are packed to the gills!!  wink 

Quoting B6sea (Reply 12):
FLL(1) 738

I've seen that flight before (#1988) and I saw people bringing on fans, yes fans onboard the flight  Smile

Quoting B6sea (Reply 12):
An AF(Yes, I do mean Air France) A320 Flight no.3943 from MIA-PAP departs at 8:45AM

Yes, it goes to PAP and then PTP(Guadeloupe)

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RE: New Airline: Haitair

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting B6sea (Reply 10):
An AF(Yes, I do mean Air France) A320 Flight no.3943 from MIA-PAP departs at 8:45AM... interesting? Didn't know AF had that kind of opperation in MIA... Or is it opperated by someone else?

Air France has an A320 based in the Caribbean in order to connect the French Antilies and French Guyana with the United States. It flies CAY-FDF-PTP-PAP-MIA 3x a week. The Port Au Prince stop is needed to help fill the plane. Lots of government traffic on the route fills it before that. It takes the plane the whole day to get between CAY and MIA. On Mondays, not enough time to make the round-trip between Cayenne and Miami, the plane does a shorter hop between CAY and PTP.

Until around 2003, Air France also had an agreement with Air Caribes to fly MIA-PAP with ERJs in an Air France colour scheme. Quite a site at MIA.
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