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Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:10 am

Airbus is poised to begin its assault on the mid-size long-range freighter market, as it finalises long-held plans to launch a freighter version of the A330-200 widebody.

Airbus chief operating officer customers John Leahy says there is strong demand in the sector, and does not rule out a programme launch at next month’s Farnborough air show.

The 64t payload A330-200F would fill the void left by the A300-600F that will cease production in July next year. The A330 will utilise the same 2.6 x 3.6m (8.5 x 11.8ft) cargo door as the A300-600, installed in the forward fuselage. The aircraft is set to enter production in the second half of 2009.

The new freighter will be able to carry its 64t payload over a distance of 7,400km (4,000nm) and typically accommodate up to 22 standard 96 x 125in (243 x 318cm) pallets side by side – two more than the shorter-range A300-600F. Configured to accommodate pallets that could interline with the main deck of the A380 Freighter without being rebuilt, the A330 would be able to carry 16 96 x 96 x 125in pallets.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...bus+closes+in+on+A330F+launch.html
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
shorter-range A300-600F

The A300-600F is a good freigther plane, but had this problem of having porr range, with this new A330F, this problem will be solved by a similar-sized airplane! Good thougth!
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:15 am

Great news for Airbus! This should keep the A330 line open for quite some time.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:18 am

A nice extension of an already good selling airplane. But what would happen if Boeing added a 787-F to the competition mix?
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 3):
if Boeing added a 787-F to the competition mix?

I'm far from an expert, but I highly doubt that Boeing will roll out the 787-F before a certain time. It have to handle an amazing backlog for the PAX version and probably need to maximize the ROI before the launch of a F version. Plus, it will be a pretty expensive aircraft to buy. At that time, one can figure that the A330 will be somewhat cheaper!

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:34 am

Have Boeing been considering a B787F?
If that's done then the A330F could be less successfull unless the extra weight needed for strenghtening a freighter would make the B787 unfit for such a role!?!
But I think we are likely to see an B787F sooner or later.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:35 am

Don't forget the 777F although it is bigger
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 6):
Don't forget the 777F although it is bigger

Yes, maybe Fedex could be a lauch client for the 777F, in order to replace their DC-10F and MD-11F!
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 3):
But what would happen if Boeing added a 787-F to the competition mix?

Boeing won�t do that. They have the 777F and the 747-8F for long haul.
There plenty of 767 that can be rebuild to freighters as well. No need for the 787 for now.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
Have Boeing been considering a B787F?

Yes, but it won't happen soon. The B787F will be the size of a B787-8 but with a MTOW around 620,000 lbs. This will require the addition of a 2-wheel center bogey and a lot of structural reinforcement that will be developed first for the B787-9ER and B787-10ER. The B787F will also get different wingtip extensions optimized more for climb and less for cruise compared to the passenger models (other than the B787-3). I don't think EIS will be before 2015.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 4):
I'm far from an expert, but I highly doubt that Boeing will roll out the 787-F before a certain time. It have to handle an amazing backlog for the PAX version and probably need to maximize the ROI before the launch of a F version. Plus, it will be a pretty expensive aircraft to buy. At that time, one can figure that the A330 will be somewhat cheaper!



Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
Boeing won�t do that. They have the 777F and the 747-8F for long haul.
There plenty of 767 that can be rebuild to freighters as well. No need for the 787 for now.

The only reason I can see them putting one out faster is if they open a 2nd manufacturing line and they offering a 787 based tanker to the USAF.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 4):
Plus, it will be a pretty expensive aircraft to buy.

The unit price of a 787 is quite reasonable for a new-build aircraft. It wouldn't be any different than a new-build A330 or 767 freighter.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:05 am

Very interesting news. That plane is important for Airbus. There should be enough demand from airlines that don't need a large freighter such as the 777F, or even 747F. This will also keep the A330/340 line longer in operation, which is needed when the A350 will be postponed until 2012.

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:22 pm

Good to finally see this aircraft moving forward. Just like the 777F, I am actually quite surprised about how long it has taken to bring these respective aircraft to market. I honestly expected both aircraft to be out 3-4 years ago.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 3):
But what would happen if Boeing added a 787-F to the competition mix?

Not going to happen for quite some time, actually.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 5):
Have Boeing been considering a B787F?

It will always be a possibility, but there are no serious plans to launch at this point in time.

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 4):
Plus, it will be a pretty expensive aircraft to buy.

Actually, no it wouldn't. The way Boeing is going about the 787 is keeping unit costs low for the amount of improvement from current generations. One can buy a 787 for less than an A330, at list price anyway. . .  Wink

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:17 pm

I don't think that a 787 friegher can be alligned to a bid for the USAF Tanker contract as Boeing have said that they cannot cut holes in the 787's fusealage. I reckon this is a good move by Airbus - it will keep the line open for many years after the pax version is replaced by the A350 + A370 - remember how long the A300 line stayed open as freignter only.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:41 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 11):
It wouldn't be any different than a new-build A330



Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 13):
One can buy a 787 for less than an A330, at list price anyway

Well, that's right now. But with the begining of production in 2009, I figure that price will go down. There will also be as stated tons of 767 on the market to convert. It will drive down the price.

Last but not least, as Hamlet69 said, we are talking about list price!

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:00 pm

The launch of the A332F could not have come at a better time. While the A330 family is still selling strong this fact will not remain for many years to come. With the introduction of the A332F, the A330/A340 will have yet another breath of life in it.

It will be interesting to see if Airbus do in fact launch the A332F at Farnborough. One can also imagine who in fact will be likely candidates?

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:12 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 16):
It will be interesting to see if Airbus do in fact launch the A332F at Farnborough. One can also imagine who in fact will be likely candidates?

The general cargo carriers may also be interested. It looks to be a good performer with a nice niche. This should help keep the A330/A340 line open a few more years.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:32 pm

Well, it seems to be an excellent news... hope this plane will find a market and know a calm development...

Do you think the A332F can be used in combination with the 777F ?

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 16):
It will be interesting to see if Airbus do in fact launch the A332F at Farnborough. One can also imagine who in fact will be likely candidates?

IIRC Gemini Air Cargo had been rumoured to be heavily interested in an A330-200F. Rumours were talking about 4+6 A330-200F to be ordered.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:50 pm

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 7):
Yes, maybe Fedex could be a lauch client for the 777F, in order to replace their DC-10F and MD-11F!

Not going to happen any time soon, for two reasons:

-The 777F is too much aircraft to replace the FedEx DC-10s;
-FedEx is still adding more DC-10s and MD-11s, and converting the DC-10 to MD-10 standard, indicating that they intend on keeping them around for a long time.

I can see them adding the A330, as an addition to the DC-10/MD-11 fleet, and for growth, seeing hw scarce the the trijets are to come by.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Airbus is poised to begin its assault on the mid-size long-range freighter market, as it finalises long-held plans to launch a freighter version of the A330-200 widebody.

Sorry if I missed it, but who is the launch customer for the 330F?
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting Aeroplan73 (Reply 22):
Sorry if I missed it, but who is the launch customer for the 330F?

We don't know yet but I'd hazard a gues we'll find out shortly.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:06 pm

Nice to see more Freighters with Airbus.
Pity theres no A320 Freighters.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 24):
Nice to see more Freighters with Airbus.
Pity theres no A320 Freighters.

Both the A320 and A321 will be offered as freighters, the MoU with Irkutsk (Russia) for conversion has been signed during the ILA. Target EIS of converted A320s is 2011, for A321s 2012 IIRC.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 24):
Pity theres no A320 Freighters.

There will be soon. Airbus has signed an MOU with a Russian company for conversion work. Sorry, don't have all the details to hand.

Correction, there's this:
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:29 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
I don't think that a 787 friegher can be alligned to a bid for the USAF Tanker contract as Boeing have said that they cannot cut holes in the 787's fusealage.

Strange, I thought the 787 had these outlandish things called "Doors" and "Windows" that look like they make holes in the fuselage.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:30 pm

I'd bet on UPS to replace their DC8s and Dc10s.
A bunch of Chinese/Taiwanese and other Asian carriers who already operate the A330.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 27):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
I don't think that a 787 friegher can be alligned to a bid for the USAF Tanker contract as Boeing have said that they cannot cut holes in the 787's fusealage.

Strange, I thought the 787 had these outlandish things called "Doors" and "Windows" that look like they make holes in the fuselage.

I mean big holes, but there was some speculation on here that this was a bargining tactic by Boeing who wanted the USAF to buy the 767 rather than the 787
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 29):
I mean big holes, but there was some speculation on here that this was a bargining tactic by Boeing who wanted the USAF to buy the 767 rather than the 787

Why would any hole for a tanker need to be bigger than a lower lobe cargo door?

Stick to the "Boeing is pushing the 767" story,
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 30):

Why would any hole for a tanker need to be bigger than a lower lobe cargo door?

Don't know, just working from Memory, apologies if I've got it wrong!
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:48 pm

Always remember that UPS have a lot of (60 if i'm not wrong) A300-600F in order, this can make the A300F program stay on for some more years.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:56 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 32):
Always remember that UPS have a lot of (60 if i'm not wrong) A300-600F in order, this can make the A300F program stay on for some more years.

Most of these were converted into A380 orders.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
Most of these were converted into A380 orders.

... and may yet get converted to A330F orders.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:10 pm

In the short-term I see FedEx as the biggest likely customer for the A332F.

But in the longer term nearly all A330/340-operator which intends to fly cargo will have a hard look at it.Probably not in huge figures, but as there are more than 60 A330/340-customers worldwide, i see a big demand in total.
Imagine no other crew required - fits in the existing fleet.Perfect !!!

Other airlines will look for a conversion of their existing A330/340 with the introduction of B787 or A350 in their own fleet.

I think that the A332F complements the B777F very well. I expect more than 300 sales or conversions in the next decade.



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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 33):
Most of these were converted into A380 orders.

Most of? I think only a few were converted!
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:19 pm

Quote:
Lenormand says the A330-200F is aimed at the 30-80t payload long-range freight sector, which is currently served by cargo aircraft such as combi versions of the Boeing 747; 767-300Fs; McDonnell Douglas DC-8-70Fs and DC-10-30/40Fs. “We see a market for 380 aircraft over the next 20 years in this sector – around half of which will be conversions,” he adds.

So around 180-200 conversions of existing airframes....Wonder if they'll contract out this work like Boeing does on the 767s?

IIRC, there was another A330F thread awhile back on which Widebodyphotog posted some data & charts. Tried a search, but no luck.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Thering (Reply 36):
Most of? I think only a few were converted!

Orders for 37 A300s were converted into 10 A380 orders. UPS only has four or five A300s left on order.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Thering (Reply 7):
Yes, maybe Fedex could be a lauch client for the 777F, in order to replace their DC-10F and MD-11F!

That would be a great replacemnt for the MD-11F, but im guessing after Fedex just got some MD-11`s again this could take a little longer.

And their even updating their DC-10`s to MD-10`s.

Some good thinking Big grin

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:46 am

I can't see the DC10s, MD10s and MD11s falling out of freight use soon - there's still plenty of DC8s and 727s hauling boxes!
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 21):
-The 777F is too much aircraft to replace the FedEx DC-10s;

In terms of volume, the 777F is a very reasonable replacement for the MD-11 and DC-10. The A332 would be a substantial decrease in cargo volume. The 777 however, is capable of lifting payload of much greater density than what FX typically carries.

A great replacement may be converted 772ER when they become available.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:56 am

I think this will be a very successful aircraft for Airbus. The A300 has been very well received as a cargo aircraft, and this one will too. Just as many pax airlines fly the 777 and 330 side by side, I could see cargo operators flying both versions together as well. (or the A330 next to the 747).
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:59 am

Seeing as many older (and thus less fuel efficient) planes are still flying with freight operators (DC8s etc) maybe a discount A346 freighter would also sell well?
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 26):
Airbus has signed an MOU with a Russian company for conversion work

Thats Interesting news.Would give a Challenge to the B737-700C.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:36 am

Since the A332F offers no additional space than the A300F, why not use the A333 as a base? Is the extra weight this would lead to that huge a problem? Or is the A333's range inferior? It seems to me that as purely a cargo version, they could make the A333 hold more than an A332 and still have some room for some extram fuel, no?

Just throwing my thought out there.

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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 29):
I mean big holes, but there was some speculation on here that this was a bargining tactic by Boeing who wanted the USAF to buy the 767 rather than the 787

its not so much big big holes per se which is a problem, what Boeing said early on was that it wasn't likely a special military version of the 787 would be doable as many such customized elint/sigint platforms have all sorts of weird shape, size and placed antenna etc which require holes in the fuselage which on metal fusleage planes would just be cut out, but on a CFRP fusleage would need to be built in from the beginning. a 787 freighter could be done but it would probably have to be done as a new build and certainly not as a conversion. Then the next question is does Boeing think the market exists for a new build 787F when 777 conversions may be a lot cheaper.

Quoting Thering (Reply 32):
this can make the A300F program stay on for some more years.

Airbus has already said it will close the A300 line IIRC next year.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 45):
Since the A332F offers no additional space than the A300F, why not use the A333 as a base? Is the extra weight this would lead to that huge a problem? Or is the A333's range inferior? It seems to me that as purely a cargo version, they could make the A333 hold more than an A332 and still have some room for some extram fuel, no?

you would lose a lot of range, the A333 and A332 have the same TO weights so with more cargo payload you will need to cut fuel, the 333 does not have the same fuel tankage as a 332 which has an additional tank.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 21):
Not going to happen any time soon, for two reasons:

-The 777F is too much aircraft to replace the FedEx DC-10s;
-FedEx is still adding more DC-10s and MD-11s, and converting the DC-10 to MD-10 standard, indicating that they intend on keeping them around for a long time.

I can see them adding the A330, as an addition to the DC-10/MD-11 fleet, and for growth, seeing hw scarce the the trijets are to come by.

If they won't get the B-777F, why would they get the A-330F? I agree with you on the B-777F, but it seems to me they won't buy the A-330F (at least for now), for the same reason. They just don't need it right now.

Quoting Eclipz (Reply 18):
Do you think the A332F can be used in combination with the 777F ?

Yes, since they do different loads and ranges.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 16):
It will be interesting to see if Airbus do in fact launch the A332F at Farnborough. One can also imagine who in fact will be likely candidates?

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Right now, I just don't see FedEx or UPS ordering them.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 24):
Pity theres no A320 Freighters.



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 25):
Both the A320 and A321 will be offered as freighters, the MoU with Irkutsk (Russia) for conversion has been signed during the ILA. Target EIS of converted A320s is 2011, for A321s 2012 IIRC.

The A-320CF and A-321CF will be competing head to head against the B-737-300F and B-737-400F conversions now going on.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 27):
Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
I don't think that a 787 friegher can be alligned to a bid for the USAF Tanker contract as Boeing have said that they cannot cut holes in the 787's fusealage.

Strange, I thought the 787 had these outlandish things called "Doors" and "Windows" that look like they make holes in the fuselage.

Boeing did change their mind on this and said the B-787 COULD be offered as the new USAF Tanker.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 30):
Why would any hole for a tanker need to be bigger than a lower lobe cargo door?

It is the boom pod. On both the KC-10 and KC-135 it is a seperate peice from the fuselarge.

Quoting Thering (Reply 32):
Always remember that UPS have a lot of (60 if i'm not wrong) A300-600F in order, this can make the A300F program stay on for some more years.



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 38):
Orders for 37 A300s were converted into 10 A380 orders. UPS only has four or five A300s left on order.

IIRC, even these 4 A-300-600Fs have been canceled. UPS currently has 10 A-380-800Fs and 8 B-747-400Fs on order, I believe.
 
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:51 am

Way to go Airbus!  thumbsup  I cant wait to see some A330F they sure will look amazing.  camera 
I have only concerns about how much work Airbus has to invest in the A330F and we shouldnt forget they arent really without work.

Lets see:

-A350/370 (maybe they should outsource like 787)
-A380F
-A400M (yes i know Airbus military)
-A320F (with Russians)
-A330F
-A380-900 ?

Thats not really less work hope they can manage everything at time and the planes performing how they should. I think at Farnborough we will hear more about this.
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RE: Airbus Closes In On A330F Launch

Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
If they won't get the B-777F, why would they get the A-330F?

Several reasons:

-As I said before, the 777F is 'too much aircraft' for them. It's a plane designed to carry a very heavy load over a very long distance. FedEx typically doesn't carry the very heavy loads;
-On the long haul, they won't be needing much extra capacity any time soon, as the A380s will take over the busiest routes, freeing quite a few MD-11s for other routes;
-FedEx is still busy converting more DC-10s for freighter duty, but their 'supply' is running very thin. Seeing as how they typically seem to add another widebody every month, something will need to be brought in to add to the fleet iso the DC-10. They might speed up getting A300s, but that depends on availability, and they already seem to be trying to get their hands on everything they can. The A330-200F seems to fit the profile for this job much closer than the 777F;
-FedEx typically seems to want a mix of new and converted planes. The 777F is based on the -200LR, very few of which have been built, or will likely be built. Thus, a small potential supply of second hand planes. A converted -200ER would have quite different payload/range characteristics, complicating things further. With the A330-200, this problem does not arise, as plenty will show up on the market from early next decade;
-Lest we forget: FedEx seems to love the buses...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 47):
IIRC, even these 4 A-300-600Fs have been canceled.

They haven't. Airbus' website still shows 53 A300 orders. BTW, of those last four, two appear to already have been delivered, leaving two more to come, in the very near future.

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